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David Blaze



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Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them?
#23440130 - 07/14/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone,
this is my first post on this forum and I thought I better ask before doing something wrong.
So I have a Golden Teacher growkit, already harvested the first flush a while ago (although a bit too late because I was in Amsterdam when it was the perfect time to pick them).
I am now on my second flush and yesterday I picked 5 mushrooms growing on the sides that were already really big while the rest is still not very mature as you can see on the picture.

The thing is they haven't grown at all for about two days now and I am not sure what I should do, as I have read both that I should pick them and start a new flush, as well as letting a bit of fresh air in the plastic bag because they might "explode" again. I moisten about every three days but I usually don't let them breathe although I am not sure if this is necessary?
The white coating around the mushrooms that usually covers the whole mushroom after a while has also stopped growing and on two mushrooms there is a green spot on that coating (bottom left corner), could that be mold? Though the whole cake doesn't really look contaminated to me and doesn't smell bad either.
Did the 5 big shrooms that I picked maybe drain all the "power" out of the substrate causing it to abort the smaller ones, so should I just start a new flush? Or is there anything I can do to that will make them grow again?
Thanks in advance,
David
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tump
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: David Blaze]
#23440145 - 07/14/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Big them dam you and fan it maybe
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Bunji Fungi
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: tump]
#23440180 - 07/14/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hard to tell from the picture but some of those have aborted (the caps that are turning black). Grow kits usually do not put out good flushes, it could have been sitting in a warehouse for who knows how long.
Please remember that mushrooms need fresh air just like you do. If you keep them in a bag they are suffocating, and low air exchange will promote contaminants as well (although I don't see the green spot in the pic). The fuzziness all over your mushrooms is evidence they are not getting enough fresh air.
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Bunji Fungi] 1
#23440211 - 07/14/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those all choked to death. That's actually a great pic of why them bags are not an acceptable fruiting chamber. Should post that in the grow kits suck thread.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19058406/fpart/1/vc/1
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Snazz
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23440239 - 07/14/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's when fuzzy feet turn into fuzzy torso.
Poor lil gaffers
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David Blaze



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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23440267 - 07/14/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So what would you suggest me to do? Pick them I assume?
And after I start the next flush, how can I make sure they get enough air? Would hand-fanning fresh air into the bag once a day be enough or how do I do that?
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: David Blaze]
#23440277 - 07/14/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can make a proper fruiting chamber that won't restrict air and starve them to death. Then put the tray in that, and put the bag in the trash.
Yeah you should pick the ones that aborted (black caps) you might be able to get some extra growth on the others if they had a proper fruiting chamber.
Edited by Mad Season (07/14/16 08:57 AM)
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David Blaze



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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Mad Season]
#23440335 - 07/14/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: You can make a proper fruiting chamber that won't restrict air and starve them to death. Then put the tray in that, and put the bag in the trash.
Yeah you should pick the ones that aborted (black caps) you might be able to get some extra growth on the others if they had a proper fruiting chamber.
Thanks for your reply, I will try building a chamber like that when I have more time to read about it since I don't know anything about it at the moment but I will just try to save my cake by picking the aborts and opening the bag several times a day until I have a better solution.
Would you suggest harvesting all and setting up a new flush or just the aborts and leave the rest to grow?
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Snazz
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: David Blaze]
#23440342 - 07/14/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would put the tray inside a tub with a decent air volume. That way you can do fewer manual air exchanges per day. Skip the bag. Humidity dome (like a microwave plate cover) can be used in a pinch
SGFC or monotub design are solid Teks to build for the next project
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Inocuole
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Snazz]
#23440348 - 07/14/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol.. hand fanning once a day for fresh air. 
What if you were locked in an airtight box just a little bigger than you, and all you got to breathe all day was when the lid was opened for 10 seconds and somebody fanned some fresh air in there.
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Snazz
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Inocuole]
#23440357 - 07/14/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one said airtight :p
Takes a while to exchange a cubic meter of air for a small lifeform. Temporary measures until the proper methods are in place
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Inocuole
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Snazz]
#23440369 - 07/14/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay but just imagine some weird higher organism is saying those things about you in the box/bag while you suffocate, drawling on about how they did their "research" about your needs and thought this was the right way to do.
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Snazz
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Inocuole]
#23440431 - 07/14/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vented covers work quite well for GE + maintaining humidity. Just not optimal FAE
From where he is now, almost anything is a step up. You seem to be inferring more than I'm writing however.
Cheers
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Inocuole
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Snazz]
#23441617 - 07/14/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You could be implying more than you mean.
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Snazz
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Inocuole]
#23442084 - 07/14/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hehe. Somedays I have trouble translating my brain to text for others. Skip over stuff that doesn't require thought
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David Blaze



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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Snazz]
#23557586 - 08/19/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thought I'd update you guys after a month: I harvested all mushrooms and soaked the substrate, placed it in the bag again but I fanned fresh air into the bag with a hand fan for like 30 seconds once a day and the result was I got two more medium flushes (~15g dried) out of the kit, maybe I'll get another one.
What I want to say is that while everyone in here said these kits are bad, and building a fruiting chamber and doing everything else yourself might definitely be better, the grow kit I have used is really a good alternative for people who don't have a lot of time but just want mushrooms in no time.
I will probably look into doing everything myself at some point when I have more time to read into the whole science of mushroom colonization but for quick results without any effort these kits are really good in my opinion, and I believe 40€ for a kit of that size were well spent.
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Edited by David Blaze (08/19/16 05:21 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: David Blaze]
#23557653 - 08/19/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I spent $0.05 in materials per container and about 3 hours total including the sterilization run on these.

Thread needed more pics.
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morty422
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23557698 - 08/19/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I spent $0.05 in materials per container and about 3 hours total including the sterilization run on these.

Thread needed more pics.
It's hard to find a piece of gum for that much now-a-days.
Pasty's over here growing 70 grams of fuckin' sno-caps on a nickel.
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Inocuole
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: morty422]
#23557718 - 08/19/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eh my cost per project is pretty similar. I haven't bought supplies in months, and last time I did, it was all pretty cheap. I don't get yields like pasty so often, but the value is still there.
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Inocuole]
#23557910 - 08/19/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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estimated cost to get 5.5 dry ounces. under 5$
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morty422
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Inocuole]
#23557982 - 08/19/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Eh my cost per project is pretty similar. I haven't bought supplies in months, and last time I did, it was all pretty cheap. I don't CAN'T get yields like pasty so often, but the value is still there.
There ya go dad... fixed that for ya!

Sigh* I think he might actually hurt me soon guys...If you don't see me post anything in the next day or two, come find me and make sure I get medical help!
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: morty422]
#23558109 - 08/19/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Except my point is always that everyone can get the yields I see. I ain't using voodoo, just good practices that I am preaching every day here. Bodhi and Inoc know what's up as do many others. Anyone with a PC and some reading under the belt can do the same.
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morty422
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23558136 - 08/19/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Except my point is always that everyone can get the yields I see. I ain't using voodoo, just good practices that I am preaching every day here. Bodhi and Inoc know what's up as do many others. Anyone with a PC and some reading under the belt can do the same.
I understand fully Pasty! I'm on a quest to get yields such as yours and possibly even better one day!
I'm also on a quest to screw with Inocuole. 40% of the time he replies. The other 60% he just ignores...
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: morty422]
#23558143 - 08/19/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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hear of don quixote? he was on a quest too…
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morty422
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: dankington]
#23558157 - 08/19/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dankington said: hear of don quixote? he was on a quest too…
Indeed. If Inocuole is Quixote - I am Sancho Panza!
Lol
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: morty422]
#23558724 - 08/19/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said:
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Pastywhyte said: I spent $0.05 in materials per container and about 3 hours total including the sterilization run on these.

Thread needed more pics.
It's hard to find a piece of gum for that much now-a-days.
Pasty's over here growing 70 grams of fuckin' sno-caps on a nickel.

Is that the bottle tek?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23558745 - 08/19/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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noob47 said:
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morty422 said:
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Pastywhyte said: I spent $0.05 in materials per container and about 3 hours total including the sterilization run on these.

Thread needed more pics.
It's hard to find a piece of gum for that much now-a-days.
Pasty's over here growing 70 grams of fuckin' sno-caps on a nickel.

Is that the bottle tek?
Sort of. It's my straw tek which is just straw and whole wheat flour.
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23558749 - 08/19/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll check it out man are those your Rusty's??
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23558758 - 08/19/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes they are
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23558764 - 08/19/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hell ya they really are dope the aa+ I have look a bit more yellowish those are damn near white
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: morty422]
#23559020 - 08/20/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said:
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Inocuole said: Eh my cost per project is pretty similar. I haven't bought supplies in months, and last time I did, it was all pretty cheap. I don't CAN'T get yields like pasty so often, but the value is still there.
There ya go dad... fixed that for ya!

Sigh* I think he might actually hurt me soon guys...If you don't see me post anything in the next day or two, come find me and make sure I get medical help! 
I'm not even mad, you might be right... I've only had a yield once or twice that I thought was like, upper tier shit. Not even sure if I got pictures of those, I think it set me into a harvest frenzy... Either way I can't lay definitive claim to shit so I also very very rarely weigh my harvests. They just get dried up and tossed in bags until I need to know how much I have. Definitely one of the lazier cultivators here.
It'll take until I find really really good genetics for me to know if my fruiting technique even needs improving anymore. I don't have to fuck with it much, that's certain. The PE and shit I fuck with is too random though, I never know if it's reflecting my skill or just shitting the bed and doing what it wants.
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Inocuole]
#23559060 - 08/20/16 02:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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what a great value ! you did a nice job enjoy those shroomies ^^
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morty422
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Re: Mushrooms stopped growing, should I pick them? [Re: Inocuole]
#23559102 - 08/20/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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morty422 said:
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Inocuole said: Eh my cost per project is pretty similar. I haven't bought supplies in months, and last time I did, it was all pretty cheap. I don't CAN'T get yields like pasty so often, but the value is still there.
There ya go dad... fixed that for ya!

Sigh* I think he might actually hurt me soon guys...If you don't see me post anything in the next day or two, come find me and make sure I get medical help! 
I'm not even mad, you might be right... I've only had a yield once or twice that I thought was like, upper tier shit. Not even sure if I got pictures of those, I think it set me into a harvest frenzy... Either way I can't lay definitive claim to shit so I also very very rarely weigh my harvests. They just get dried up and tossed in bags until I need to know how much I have. Definitely one of the lazier cultivators here.
It'll take until I find really really good genetics for me to know if my fruiting technique even needs improving anymore. I don't have to fuck with it much, that's certain. The PE and shit I fuck with is too random though, I never know if it's reflecting my skill or just shitting the bed and doing what it wants.
You're a good person Inocuole. Just the fact of you putting up with all my shit I've been dishing out while knowing I'm a new poster says the most of you.
You're a wonderful ambassador to the Shroomery. Keep Inocuole-ing.
Also, forget I ever said what I just said. I recently ingested some psilo-silly and I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I still hate you.
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