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Confused identification, please help! July 2016!
    #23440108 - 07/14/16 07:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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OK, now first of all I want to tell you why this specific fungi caught my attention, and why I feel confused.
I have been experimenting with all kinds of different substrates and even temperatures to colonize psilocybin cubensis. I have my small indoor space where I have been cultivating them for myself by the book, but I like experiments, and have been taking pieces of mycelium and planting them in this garden.. To my surprise, the mycelium seemed to carry on growing and getting bigger every time I would go check on it..Anyway, so then I took it a little further, and took a fully colonized jar, dug a mini hole in the ground under a lavender bush and filled the hole with vermiculite and brown rice flour mix. I span a wire around the space, and thought I'll just see what happens.. Couple days later tiny mushrooms started coming up all just on the outside of the wire I spun(so not directly in the hole I made). Now as these mushrooms looked very similar to P.cubensis to me when they just started to pop up, I obviously thought, hell yeah, I actually got this to work... then last night, I saw some of the caps were open already even though they were still so tiny. I immediately started inspecting and investigating, and found no blue bruising, slightly different gills in appearance etc. So my conclusion would obviously be that this is not my mycelium's lovely fruits. But its been bothering me so I went to go scratch some more, and yes the planted mycelium definitely did grow to the outside of the hole I made for it, and most of these mushrooms seems to be coming directly out of the mycelium I planted, or directly next to it, although some did seem to come up a bit further, where I almost cant believe the mycelium could have spread to already so fast, but I must add, I was really shocked to see how fast the mycelium I planted actually grew, and was kinda expecting it not to. But no two species can occupy the same mycelium, can they?? So now I am really confused, and would like a professionals opinion on what this specie is if anyone can help me. In two of the pictures you will see I point with my finger to the ground. Right in front of my finger you can clearly see the mycelium sticking out a bit(still has some vermiculite stuck to it even). I am obviously not eating them, so no one has to warn me, I might not know that much, but I am not an idiot, and actually have others I am 100% sure of to indulge in if I want to.. :smile: So in short, they don't look like P.cubensis to me after closer inspection, but it seems to be growing out of the P.cubensis mycelium that I planted, and thus the confusion... Thanx any help will be greatly appreciated. I took many photo's of them for inspection, and I have tried to get a better spore print than the one I uploaded, but out of the 10 caps I tried to get a print from, this was unfortunately the best I could get from it (very vague, almost invisible print)


Habitat:
Q.Where does it grow?
A.In a garden, there are lots of pine tree bark in, and on top of the soil, and compost. It's in Cape Town, South Africa, but there is more to this than just the location, as I explained above.

Gills:
white in appearance.

Stem:
The stems are really small, maybe 1 or 2 cm, and not sure how much in diameter, relatively thin, but still fleshy. I would almost say the same kind of build as psilocybin cubensis, but a smaller version of it. So in other words, the stems relation to the cap is the same as in P.cubensis, but the overall organism is smaller (hope that makes sense).
Anyway the stem is white in appearance, similar look as P.cubensis (in my unprofessional opinion that is).
The stem is not flimsy, its fleshy, but hollow inside

Cap:
I am really bad with descriptions in length and diameter, but I would say the caps are small,maybe 1 cm in diameter (I will post a picture with one on my hand so you can see more clearly). The caps are brownish yellowish, and when they first come out looks almost identical to psilocybin cubensis(again,to me that is).

Spore print color:
I tried to take a spore print on a white paper, but as the mushrooms are really small, and doesn't seem to drop much spores,I have only been able to get a very vague print, and it seemed like a rusty grey/brownish color almost (The best pic I could get from it is attached).

Bruising:
The stem seems to bruise a yellowish/brown color.


































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Re: Confused identification, please help! July 2016! [Re: Poach420]
    #23441482 - 07/14/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I suspect Pholiotina sp. Possibly toxic, maybe even deadly.


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Re: Confused identification, please help! July 2016! [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23443062 - 07/15/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey man, thanx allot for the attempt at identifying, see the post has been viewed more than a 100 times, and you are the only response I have gotten...

I looked at the Pholiotina sp, and agree there are a few in that genus that looks like it might be this mushroom.

My biggest confusion is still how do they grow on my 100% confirmed psilocybin cubensis mycelium.

I had a look at them again this morning, had some rain last night so there is even more of them popping up.They are now literary growing in the hole, straight out of the planted mycelium I made with vermiculite and brown rice flower mix. I don't understand this. I mean I know the answer to these next questions are probably a big no, but I am not a mycologist, and not too clued up with all of this, so I am gonna ask in anyway, even though it probably is stupid questions, I am just trying to make sense of this. Can the mycelium maybe join other mycelium that was in the ground already, and now this mushrooms coming up is the result of a cross between psilocybin and another non psilocybin strain? Can they maybe be psilocybin, and just grow very weak (no blue bruising), cause of little or no psilocybin, or they look different because of it not being the optimal environment for them? I am really baffled, as far as I understood, no 2 organisms can occupy the same mycelium, one will dominate and the other will die? The same mycelium that I grow psilocybin cubensis from indoors, has been planted outside, its still alive, and has undoubtedly grown biger. How the hell does this weird other specie I have never seen before, take over mycelium from my P.cubensis, which seems to not be fruiting at all? like this other specie deleted all the psilocybin genetics and coppied its own to it, lol? Hmmm would really like to know what is happening here.. hope someone can shine a little light for a brother..Peace

Ps. For anyone that thinks I am probably mistaken about it being actual P.cubensis mycelium planted in the first place, here are 2 pictures from P.cubensis mushroom I harvested 3 days ago indoors from the exact same mycelium as planted outside. It is still drying..
It bruises blue, and has dark purple spores. The gills are greyish in color, and turn black when drying, or during spore collection.






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Re: Confused identification, please help! July 2016! [Re: Poach420]
    #23443124 - 07/15/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That is not a cubensis print...listen to Anglerfish, he knows his stuff.:badshroom:


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Re: Confused identification, please help! July 2016! [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23443191 - 07/15/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey man, thanx for the reply. And yes for sure, I will definitely not eat them, and really value the advice. I am just still confused as to how they can be growing out of, or over P.cubensis mycelium that is still alive and active.:confused:


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Re: Confused identification, please help! July 2016! [Re: Poach420]
    #23443232 - 07/15/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Mycellia of various mushrooms often grow near or even among one another. This is normal. Some species will tend to maintain distinct borders between colonies of other species but that is not a rule.


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Re: Confused identification, please help! July 2016! [Re: canid]
    #23445985 - 07/16/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hi Canid, thank you very much! I think this is the answer I was looking for.


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