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Niciskarma
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Me and my big brother have been growing 2 beautiful cannabis plants from seeds we got out of some bud but i Have a couple questions . First my brother can transplant weed plants and they don't go into shock or receive ANY stress what so ever but when I tried to transplant my male plant it died and i had to bring it back to life. Second is a mix of distilled water Epson salts and seaweed extract a good nutritious diet for marijuana plants? If not what should i add to it it seems to be working out just fine and they are about a foot tall and smell wonderful. Third my plants look like a mixture of sativa and indica im prettu sure sativa has the fingers far apart and indica has the leaves really close together. Forth every weed plant I've seen from friends to the Internet are really tall and not thick but every time I grow marijuana it gets really thick and buff
Please answer with legit answers and even tho im a amateur try and not laugh at my quetions, THANKS
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please don't salt your plants.
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Niciskarma
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Ever heard of Epson salts? It's the shit that makes leaves dark green and vibrant
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Why are you growing a male plant?
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Can you post a picture of the leaves? The lights you are using sound like they keep tight internodal spacing which is really nice when growing. Are you planning on topping the female? Or doing any other training?
That sounds like good water, but dont use the epaom salt all the time. Maybe ever other watering or every third watering. What is the npk ratio of the nutrients you are using and the soil you are using as well?
How do you transplant? You need to be careful not to tear off a lot of the root system. I normally grow in a very small pot until there is a big rootball, about the size of the container, and gently loosen the sides, and bottom. You should be using something disposable or plastic or something like that as transplanting should be moving from a temporary pot to a permanent one. The plastic would make it easier to separate the bottom of the plant from the bottom of the pot. Then hold it sideways and gently rock the whole plant out and transplant. What kind of lights are you using?
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Niciskarma said: Me and my big brother have been growing 2 beautiful cannabis plants from seeds we got out of some bud but i Have a couple questions. First my brother can transplant weed plants and they don't go into shock or receive ANY stress what so ever but when I tried to transplant my male plant it died and i had to bring it back to life.
Second is a mix of distilled water Epson salts and seaweed extract a good nutritious diet for marijuana plants? If not what should i add to it it seems to be working out just fine and they are about a foot tall and smell wonderful.
Third my plants look like a mixture of sativa and indica im prettu sure sativa has the fingers far apart and indica has the leaves really close together.
Forth every weed plant I've seen from friends to the Internet are really tall and not thick but every time I grow marijuana it gets really thick and buff
Please answer with legit answers and even tho im a amateur try and not laugh at my quetions, THANKS
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Few things... Are you going for organic or do you not care? Personally i find organic stuff is cleaner and nicer to smoke than plants fed with nutes.
If you are looking at organic this is something to look into. Mixing a super soil. It will contain everything your plants will need from start to finish. All you do is water your plants with plain water and the plants take what they need when they need it! It takes the guess work out of feeding and is really ideal and super easy to feed your plants.
If your interested in this let me know i can help you out! Its the way to go if your interested in organic (reccomended but not for everyone!)
SECONDLY!!! As mike said, you should look into training/ topping your plants! You will increase your yeild significantly if you do it right! You NEED to check this out!
http://www.growweedeasy.com/cannabis-plant-training
There is alot of great stuff there but if you are limited with time or cant be fucked reading it all just read the part about TOPPING and LST
Also are they outside or in?
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I'd pick up some standard fox farm soil and get your pH right. Never failed me starting out the easy way, still to this day I include some fox farm in my no till soil
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I'll post some pics of all the stuff soon btw they were kept under a 6500k bulb for 4 week and then they were moved to the sun they are now about a foot or 2 tall and 7 weeks old btw if someone could tell me everything I need to know such as what watering cycle i should have for my plants involving seaweed fertilizer Epson salts and water, what "topping a plant" is and that's about it. Another thing is they are growing in a small forest where they are not getting much sun aswell as i live in Canada and it has been raining non stop lately but it does not get more than 30 degrees celcious here THANKS GUYS AGAIN IM A AMATEUR IN GROWING WEED
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Btw at this point I got no monies and im living with my parents who aren't cool with growing that's why im growing so I can't go out and buy all this shit.
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Could you explain why you're growing a male plant? It provides no flower and only pollen which will ensure that you have very seeded bud
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How many nodes are they? If they have too many you might end with a big mess if you try to top. Topping is where you cut the stem that is the tallest right above a node. The node that remains will grow bigger, and the rest of the plant that is below that point will grow a littlw faster to "catch up" the highest point of the plants has the highest concentration of auxin which is a plant hormone that basically tells the plant to grow faster or slower depending on how much auxin is present. By cutting the tallest branch (on an untopped plant this is the main stem) you will redistribute the auxins which will cause for a bushier plant with more places for bud to grow.
What kind of growing medium are you using? Does the strain you are growing have any special care that needs to be taken? Epsom sal is usually used to treat or prevent magnesium deficiency which you can tell if you have a mg deficient plant because the stem turns dark purple and yellow. Ive only mixed about 2 tsp epsom sal into 3 gallons or at most 1/2 cup in 6 gallons, and then added as a water amendment at 1 tsp per every 3 waterings. If you are outdoor see if there is a creek or water with fish nearby. The fish emulsion in the water is amazing for the plants. If they dont get much sun, try either putting them in pots in the tree branches, which will get them maybe a little more sun, or make a small east to west oriented clearing. If you make a clearing you need to be extra cautious because your spot is a little more noticeable from the sky
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They have a HUGE root system so I can not put them in pots without hurting them im growing a male for seeds and it is 1km away from the females so yeah
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Pollen flies multiple kilometers. It slips my mind just how far they can fly, but I know that they'll fly much much farther than 1k.
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Ok first off you only want to use epsom salts when your plant is having a cal/mag deficiency. I personally would have mixed some into the soil so you dont have to add any later because its already there. Other wise i would only use it in waterings once or twice for the plants whole life time. If you use it too often and too much it will build up in your soil and cause other nuitrents to be locked out! Most people say they are using 1/2 tsp - 1 tsp per gallon!
And as for watering! You only need to water when the soil is drying out! Put your finger an inch into the soil. If it does not feel dry dont water it. Atleast once a week while they are young. DONOT over water them. I cannot stress this enough! If you water too much it will prevent the roots from getting oxygen and it will suffocate your plants roots! Just keep an eye on them and the plant will almost in a way tell you if it needs watering! They seem to do best when you leave them alone and let them do there thing! Its easy to do too much and over do it! So just water them once or twice a week and LEAVE THEM ALONE!!!
Feeding! Personally i would forget about the epsom salts. I mix it into my soil but sometimes i will notice the plants go yellow (cal/mag defficency) and this is when i give them some! If your that set on using it only use every 3rd or 4th watering!
Do you know about macro nuitrents? NPK! At diffrent stages your plant wants diffrent levels of NPK. On nuitrent bottles the amounts on NPK are expressed in ratios like such: NPK 1-6-2 During veg you want a bit of everything but most importantly your plant wants lots of (but not too much) N - NITROGEN! Your seaweed stuff probably has enough of this to keep your plant happy for veg! As for dosage and how often you should use, First of all make sure your plants are already looking strong and healthy and give them a half dose and see how they react.
Maybe try this for your next few waterings!... Feed 1/4 dose - Plain water - plain water - feed 1/2 dose - plain water - plain water - feed full dose.
Dont over do it! LESS IS MORE!!!
When your plant starts to flower its going to want more P - phosphorus! Get something rich in P for flowering! bat guano is high in P! But this all really depends on what is available to you! I think blood and bone ussally has a bit of P in it but also lots of nitrogen. So maybe use this during the start of flowering then switch to something with more P and less N.
You followin me?
Now topping!

By doing this the two shoots that would have just been branches are now your new main stems. So instead of your plant having one head it now has two! You can do this lots! You can top your plant more than once too! You could keep topping your plant til it has 64 main shoots or even more! But thats a bit excessive!
I know as a new grower this will be hard to do but trust me its worth it!!!!!

In the image below, See how there is two main colas? Look below the buds and you will see it is split. This is because they topped the plant. See what im getting at? You just doubled your main cola count!

The image below is off a plant that has been mainlined! Topping in this manner results in a nice clean even manifold of colas that are all even in size. This is a little more advanced but still prety easy. That plant has a total of 16 main branches and they will all produce nice colas that get an even amount of sun!

Does this help?
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And dude chop the males and buy some seeds online. Its prety safe and you can grow some killer shit! Kushes, hazes, sour D, Bodhi seeds IT DOESNT END!!!!!!!!!
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You should learn how to clone instead or use gibberelic acid, it costs maybe $15, and will give you selfed seeds from a female which means not hermaphroditic but alway fem. Growing a male for seeds is not that good of an idea, cloning is super easy. You know the potency of the female and clones will be the exact same. The male could be any potency. Like when i grow males to breed, i usually grow 50 males just to pick one of them and cut down the rest. I have a video on topping up on Youtube if you like i can send you a link and you can see how easy it is to clone and basic lst topping techniques
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Nice reply rainman i was lazy lol and didnt have pics like that to post
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Some great advice in this thread. It's been 15 years since I grew any MJ. Is the SCROG technique still a thing with the chicken wire? That's how I grew way back when.
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Mike4aco said: Nice reply rainman i was lazy lol and didnt have pics like that to post
I just googled it. Like OP could have. Oh well

And yes scrog is still a thing! Gota spread them branches out BOY!!!!
Heres a pic of a scrog (screen of green) for you OP. Something for you to look into!

Here is another example

The point in this is to spread the branches out so they all get even sun so you have a large amount o decent sized heads that all get a good amount of sun. If you just let your plant grow straight up like a christmas tree you are cutting your harvest short IMO unless you have lots of plants!
Another easier method of spreading branches out is LST. Calm down i said LST not LSD! All it is, is bending your plant down so all those branches are evenly spread out so they all get even sun and no body is left out! Because we all like to share and play nice dont we!
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You pickin up what im puttin down OP?
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We usually pull 2.5 pounds per plant but lately have been getting 2.75 or thereabouts with scrog vert grows
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Ok I just have one thing to say the pics you guys posted made my mouth water -I really enjoy weed lol so I went out and got some pics but they're shit CUZ it's night but here's the url i showed what the plants are covered by, someone asked about the nodes and i showed and I showed both plants
------ http://pho.to/ADfDL ------ thanks boys
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Mike4aco said: concentration of auxin which is a plant hormone that basically tells the plant to grow faster or slower depending on how much auxin is present. By cutting the tallest branch (on an untopped plant this is the main stem) you will redistribute the auxins which will cause for a bushier plant with more places for bud to grow.
Did not know about this hormone! Great to know!
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another thing guys is there some kind of app or something we could all have a group chat about this on e.g instagram, kik ?
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Niciskarma said: Ok I just have one thing to say the pics you guys posted made my mouth water -I really enjoy weed lol so I went out and got some pics but they're shit CUZ it's night but here's the url i showed what the plants are covered by, someone asked about the nodes and i showed and I showed both plants
------ http://pho.to/ADfDL ------ thanks boys
First off looks nice and stealthy! Are there any pests about that could eat or trample your plants? If so i suggest driving some timber steaks into the ground and surround with some sort of netting! Would be a shame if it was doing real well then one day all of a sudden its gone! It happens man! Go top your plants right now!
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Can you get a better side on photo of the top of the plant. So we can see the top and middle of the main stem. Il show you where to top!
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it is night and my shitty flash light barely works but I'll try lol
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Btw there's 2 plants lol
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If you're worried about pests like leafhoppers which hang around the leaves and suck sugars and nutrients out of the leaves take some jalapeños or other super hot pepper, blend it up and add water, simmer on your stove at low heat for a while then filter and spray your plant with it
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http://pho.to/ADfHf Here's the link the plant im in love with has the thick stem and the skinny one is kinda crap lol but yeah tell me where to top another thing is I just took the original pics and added more so Ya I also showed the seaweed stuff
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How many nodes tall is it? You could cut it around the 3-th node and transplant the top
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What do you mean transplant the top? I don't have any root shit
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You could top at either of these spots. It personally do it at 2. What say you mike?
And dude you dont need root shit! Ive got cuttings to root in jiffy pellets without root gel. and ive also left cuttings in a cup of water, changed water every 3 days and gotten roots. Done this lots!
I dont use cloning gel i use aloe gel. Like fresh aloe gel from aloe plants. Do you have access to aloe vera plants? Its excelent for cloning!
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This is GREAT! I actually have a aloe plant growing but it is dying, ide have to harvest the aloe and use within 5 days so if you could teach me how to use this i would be very thankful! Btw guys i really apreciate your help
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http://pho.to/ADfHf I added a pic of some old pellets my bruh used to do some kind of water system to grow tomatoes
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I also have some sterilized soil that i was growing my male in but i plucked it
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Ok heres what to do with 100% success. And just so you know some strains just cannot be cloned. So it may or may not take. If it is clonable then if you do this it should work.
Things you need
Jiffy pellets. These are super cheap!!!
Clear plastic cups!
Resealable bag! One the size that you would get an oz of weed in!
aloe!
Water!
Ok here we go!
Put about a tsp of gell and chop it up with scissors or knife. This is actually harder than it sounds! I put it in a cup and chop it that way!
Fill your cup with aloe up about 1 1/2 inch with water and stir.
Make your cut! Cut it on a 45 degree angle! Make sure its long enough!!!!!!

Many growers gently scrape or even split the bottom of the cutting so more "raw" insides get exposed. As you can see from the pictures below, the roots grow most easily from the parts of the stem that are raw, so scraping and splitting exposes more "insides," which gives more surface areas for roots to grow out of and promotes faster rooting.

Place Your cuttin in your cup of water with the aloe and let sit for 24 hours!
Ok so your cuttings have been soaking for 24 hours! You are now ready to expand your peat pellets! Soak the amount you require in warm water for 10 minutes

After soaking it i like to ring it out abit so its not holding too much water. I do this to encourage the roots to grow in search of water! Ive run trials with pellets that i havent rung out a little vs ones that i have. The ones with less water show roots first!
Now you want to break it up a little so its not so solid! you want it looseish but not too loose!
Poke a hole in the center where the cutting will go. Put a couple wee cubes of aloe in there! Next you will put your cutting into the center of the sack. I like to put it all the way in balls deep so the stem touches the very bottom of the sack. I dont know what everybody else does but this works for me!
Make sure you trim the fan leaves like the picture!

You should now look like this. Also when you take your cutting, make sure its at the right length so the stem goes right through the sack while standing roughly this tall above the sack!
Give it a light mist with a spray bottle. You do this 2 times per day to provide moisture on the leaves to stop them drying out, Because after all the cutting has no roots so it cannot provide its own water, you have to do it!
Now i open my resealable bad and place the cup in it and seal it up. Put 1 or two small holes at the top for some FAE. You are putting the bag on to hold in moisture and create humidity! The roots will go crazy! This is my own method that i use so i dont have to but a humidity dome! its super cheap and easy and doesnt take up alot of space!!!
Keep It somewhere warm under a flourecent light! If you keep it somewhere with a temp of 23c you should see roots within 7 - 14 days!
Thats all there is to it, its super easy and il be here if you get stuck. But all this info should set you right!
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hydroton is more a medium for hydro setups. I dont think thats what you want. If you cant afford jiffy pellets you could just use some soil in a tiny pot! I know people who have cloned without jiffy pellets! They are not necessary but very ideal. Pro choice!
They are super cheap. I pay like 5 dollars for 20 pellets!
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So I looked at jiffy things and that's about 15 bucks but all the humidity domes I looked at are like 100 bucks.. And could a resealable bag be a zip lock lol?
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Id reccomend jifys but not 100% needed. Fuck those domes Just put your pellet in a clear cujp. bag it and that holds in moisture and creates humidity. Perfect conditions for rooting. way cheaper too
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Sounds great can you tell me how i can do it with high in nutrients steraliazed soil? If i soaked that cut a tea bag open emptied all the tea then filled that with the soil and put it in a plastic cup inside a ziplock ontop of a heating pad in my garage would this be able to establish a root systwm for a clone?
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with high in nutrients steraliazed soil
Sorry what do you mean by this?
And i wouldnt bother with that tea bag idea. Just get a small pot and put it in some sort of clear container or bag to hold in moisture and humidity. '
Ive seen it done this way. They didnt even put it in a bag or anything they just had it in their little grow box. It would root faster in a bag or something though
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Like how small of a pot lol and I meant the soil is made for growing marijuana idk what's in it but it's a mix of tons of nutes
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Those nutes will be too much for that plant. You dont want nutes til its much older. That stuff will burn the fuck out of the clones.
Any size pot is fine. Ive seen it done in a decent sized one. Smaller the better though!
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Btw I called nutrients nutes lol I didn't mean nitrogens but if you knew that would soil with clay in it work?
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I know. Depends how much clay. It wouldnt be ideal but might still work. In nature. Plants have their limbs ripped off by the forces of nature, they fall off and land on the ground and can clone themselfs so anything is possible
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1 last thing so when I get the pot and whatnot and i put it in the bag does it require me to poke holes in it?
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Yes. Doesnt matter too much tho
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This is the exact method i use for cloning, hence why i posted it on youtube
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