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Overmisting lose potency?
    #23439160 - 07/13/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Can overmisting create soft, weak, unpotent extra shroom weight?

Made a monotub, substituted straw for Verm because I didn't have any at the time.
First flush came out weak, so I misted every day for the second..
Not gonna complain I got some monsters, but would you know if these giants could be not as potent as the smaller guys, due to over misting? They do seem soft and tear apart when I pick them up



But damn they look tasty


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439169 - 07/13/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When they're fresh, if they were wet from misting, I guess technically they will weigh more, but the end potency itself isn't really affected as long as you dry them.

I don't really think any of that is what is going on here.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23439170 - 07/13/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How'd you get them so massive?


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23439174 - 07/13/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

... Those aren't exactly massive.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439185 - 07/13/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

kinda. Now this is also a bit speculative, as I haven't done any tests.
However, one of the reasons people say to harvest when the veil is starting to break is because any growth afterwards is just extra weight. The mushroom has already stopped producing psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin in favor of focusing on spore production at that point. So it's mostly just more water weight.

In this case, I must say that genetics play an enormous role. That is probably reason #1 that they were weaker in potency.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23439250 - 07/13/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i actually havent tried them yet so i am not too sure of the potency of this strain. But it is also my first isolated strain so every mushroom from this batch should be the same which is nice.

And the parent i cloned actually was the biggest of the original MS tub, so I'm sure that def adds to the size.


(In My Experience, I've seen that you can directly mist the shrooms with fine mist, so long as there is no excess pooling water left after. This is another of the big reasons i was able to make them so big because once they are a decent size i mist often and they begin to show explosive growth for the last couple days..)

So i was wondering if like the shrooms gain extra mushroom material without exactly producing psilocybin if they suck up too much water.. but i do dry them fully after harvest, so hopefully they lose all the extra inactive weight..



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... Those aren't exactly massive.




and no need to sound rude.. this comment unnecessary.. they are pretty damn big compared to the majority.. but obviously there have been bigger.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat] * 1
    #23439258 - 07/13/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So now it's rude that your mushrooms aren't massive?  They're big but the guy asked you how you did it like there was some secret technique that you did to get them "massive".  They aren't massive enough to warrant that sort of wondrous envy.  :shrug:  If that's rude then oh well.

Misting the fruits isn't what made them decide to be big though, if you think that, then I'd suggest doing a few dozen more grows and a lot more reading.  Genetics and water content of the substrate have a lot more to do with it.  I hold back on misting directly once the fruits are more than halfway developed usually because it makes drying them so much more of a pain in the ass if they're all soggy.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23439264 - 07/13/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol! They're like slightly bigger than average for me. Anything over 10g dry is praiseworthy of "massive".


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Mad Season] * 1
    #23439398 - 07/13/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

These are approaching massive


Just so some massive fruits can be in this thread


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23439450 - 07/13/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My current theory is:


The faster they grow to maturity, the less actives per volume.  Slow growing fruits have longer to synth before they flip to spore mode.


That's the +- range from the genetic standard.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Snazz]
    #23439461 - 07/13/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

which makes sense being PE and the varieties of it are much more potent. But all we can do is assume. Which you know what that does, right?
makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME".


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23439480 - 07/13/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I too think the same thing. Fruits that take longer in colder conditions always seem to knock me in the ass


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23439486 - 07/13/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

azures sure are potent as fuck...


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23439494 - 07/13/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hard to test unless I get serious with control tubs, clones and thin layer chromatography.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23439510 - 07/13/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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These are approaching massive


Just so some massive fruits can be in this thread




thats like the same crap.. one of those is an inch bigger..

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So now it's rude that your mushrooms aren't massive?  They're big but the guy asked you how you did it like there was some secret technique that you did to get them "massive".  They aren't massive enough to warrant that sort of wondrous envy.  :shrug:  If that's rude then oh well.

Misting the fruits isn't what made them decide to be big though, if you think that, then I'd suggest doing a few dozen more grows and a lot more reading.  Genetics and water content of the substrate have a lot more to do with it.  I hold back on misting directly once the fruits are more than halfway developed usually because it makes drying them so much more of a pain in the ass if they're all soggy.




i dont like you


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which makes sense being PE and the varieties of it are much more potent. But all we can do is assume. Which you know what that does, right?
makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME".




why is everyone repeating this like its such a cool new saying..?

I also have a nice MS PE Uncut fruiting now i'll show you guys my wonderful mutants in a few days


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439528 - 07/13/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

new? i've been saying that over a decade now. :lol:
good. let's see.
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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23439544 - 07/13/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't judge massive fruits by the height. I prefer to go with weight :hehehe:



Dirtygoat don't get butthurt. Inocuole is direct but he brings good info and isn't trying to piss you off. People here don't sugar coat stuff and precise language is considered very important. If you would look past his bluntness and read what he had to say on the subject of potency, you would have the answer to your question.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Snazz]
    #23439545 - 07/13/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's been widely discussed in pretty intense detail that lower temps increase potency.

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What temps were the differant batches fruited at?

cooler temps at fruiting make for more dence myc and more actives per gram due to slower growth.

Cold fruiting thread


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I agree with that. Seems like the mutants, albino's, abhorts, etc are always more potent. I've heard people say cold works well too but I've never tried it myself




I've heard it a bunch more before as well. Personally I feel it's true.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439561 - 07/13/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:gay: my e-penis is so huge


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439712 - 07/14/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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i dont like you



Says more about you than it does about me. :shrug:  Sorry I burst your bubble buddy.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23440245 - 07/14/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Damn pasty. Don't see you post pics too often. That's a very pretty (and large) mushroom.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23440376 - 07/14/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Damn pasty. Don't see you post pics too often. That's a very pretty (and large) mushroom.




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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23440398 - 07/14/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Misting the shrooms will not cause "explosive growth".


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Bobabouy]
    #23440411 - 07/14/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Misting shrooms causes wet mushrooms:rofl:


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23440493 - 07/14/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't judge massive fruits by the height. I prefer to go with weight :hehehe:



Dirtygoat don't get butthurt. Inocuole is direct but he brings good info and isn't trying to piss you off. People here don't sugar coat stuff and precise language is considered very important. If you would look past his bluntness and read what he had to say on the subject of potency, you would have the answer to your question.





Im not getting offended, honestly idgaf what people think.. i was just saying this started with his unnecessary statement.. obviously i don't have any prize winning 2lb shrooms but im pretty proud of the HUGE shrooms i did get.. if some people think these are massive, let it be idk whats the point of interrupting with literally a completely unnecessary statement..

I appreciate the info but at the same time i dont even think he read my whole thread to be able to fully understand my question.

sorry to ramble i would like to close this thread now.. but i honestly just hate that some people on here think they are so above everyone else because they spend their life posting 100 msgs a day onto this website.. i really appreciate everyone's help and comments but stop thinking you're such a saint because i havent grown as much as you.. tbh im not far, i've only been growing for about 3 years but i've grown many different types of mushrooms and honestly have a decent amount of knowledge and experience. and just because i have under 1000 posts or ask some stupid questions sometimes shouldnt make you think low of me.. i just have a life and dont care to spend it putting other people down over the internet to make myself feel better.........


damn sorry lame ass post/thread, hopefully someone closes it soon, way off topic.. but seriously some random people on this website with completely unnecessary comments just piss me off.. like RR wannabe's.. except RR was good at it


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23440511 - 07/14/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

uhhh, but he did answer your question.. so i dont understand where all the butthurt comes in. just get over it, dude.

when you go off on a tangent just because you cant take some criticism, even when the question WAS answered, it's only making you look bad.. just let it go, and take the answer you were looking for. i mean, shit... if you cant handle something this tiny, then i dont know how you even handle life at all.. youve gotta learn to laugh shit off, laugh at yourself even, and just let shit go.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: mupetmower]
    #23440518 - 07/14/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

sorry i know this got way out of hand.. its not just the comment its the way it was said, and its not just that comment from that person.

how do i close my own thread lol


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23440529 - 07/14/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

you dont. and deleting threads is against the rules. someone might have a similar question, so you dont want to delete the thread, so they can find the answer that was supplied here, if needed. just let it go, and forgot about it. if a thread ever needs to be closed, a mod will handle it.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23440530 - 07/14/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You can't close threads. A mod can lock it or move it at their discretion.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23440539 - 07/14/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Actually there is some good info here. I wouldn't want this thread locked personally. You don't even need to feel bad, some melting happens to everyone, but I assure you everyone is over it already.

BTW you did have some nice healthy looking fruits. They might not be massive but you obviously did something right there :thumbup:


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23440542 - 07/14/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually there is some good info here. I wouldn't want this thread locked personally. You don't even need to feel bad, some melting happens to everyone, but I assure you everyone is over it already.

BTW you did have some nice healthy looking fruits. They might not be massive but you obviously did something right there :thumbup:




Thanks.. YOU, i like lol. i've read and gotten a bunch of good comments from you.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23440545 - 07/14/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You quadruple post and notify a mod? Lol idk. Just don't worry about it dude.. It was obviously meant to mean that those shrooms are decent sized but not big enough to think there was some magic secret to it. Every grower should have shrooms that big at one point or another IMO.
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So now it's rude that your mushrooms aren't massive?  They're big but the guy asked you how you did it like there was some secret technique that you did to get them "massive".  They aren't massive enough to warrant that sort of wondrous envy.  :shrug:  If that's rude then oh well.

Misting the fruits isn't what made them decide to be big though, if you think that, then I'd suggest doing a few dozen more grows and a lot more reading.  Genetics and water content of the substrate have a lot more to do with it.  I hold back on misting directly once the fruits are more than halfway developed usually because it makes drying them so much more of a pain in the ass if they're all soggy.



Everything he said is true. He just didn't add smiling faces and unicorns. In school teachers are the exact same way, at least mine were.

I'd just man up and say thanks, but that's just me and my hardcore Asian upbringing.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23440554 - 07/14/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23440556 - 07/14/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

sorry we upset you OP. I highly suggest putting emotions to the side as best you can, so you can learn. Don't take anything too personally, no one attacked you or anything.

lol Mad the hardcore asian :headbang:

Keep it up! :thumbup:

edit: also that 'Assume' saying, wasn't directed at you, but at Snazz. And honestly? That was first told to me by my 6th grade teacher in '93.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23440591 - 07/14/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My Pappy always said that, and I'm no spring chicken


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Snazz]
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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23445392 - 07/15/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Infected.  Brown spots on the stipe and bent over mushrooms indicate serious bacterial contamination.  Wouldn't even eat em.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23445409 - 07/15/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No.. ur just mad at me lol..

I'll wait for someone else to say something..

I assumed those spots were cuz I misted them a tiny bit this morning


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23445424 - 07/15/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Infected.  Brown spots on the stipe and bent over mushrooms indicate serious bacterial contamination.  Wouldn't even eat em.



Those look pretty fucked to me too


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23445449 - 07/15/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Damn.. Well time for my next tub..

Think there's anything I can still do? Like case and clean the sides of the tub with alcohol or something


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23445465 - 07/15/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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No.. ur just mad at me lol..




:lol:  You think I carry anger from one day to the next?  I value my sanity way too much for that.  What I think of someone's grow has nothing to do with what I think of them as a person. 

I think TC there ^ has scoped some similar brown spots and determined them to definitely be bacteria.  But not the average bacteria that just makes your substrate smell slightly like birthday cake, actual fuck-your-shit-up bacteria potentially, since it's definitely on the fruits.

I've never had it personally.  Those look like (I think it was elasticaltiger's?)  pidgeon PE otherwise.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23445483 - 07/15/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So now it's rude that your mushrooms aren't massive?  They're big but the guy asked you how you did it like there was some secret technique that you did to get them "massive".  They aren't massive enough to warrant that sort of wondrous envy.  :shrug:  If that's rude then oh well.

Misting the fruits isn't what made them decide to be big though, if you think that, then I'd suggest doing a few dozen more grows and a lot more reading.  Genetics and water content of the substrate have a lot more to do with it.  I hold back on misting directly once the fruits are more than halfway developed usually because it makes drying them so much more of a pain in the ass if they're all soggy.




I think it might affect your dry down weight, which some might equate with potency loss.  Everybody says the easy math is 10% of wet.  I find I'm only getting 5 - 6 % of wet back.  That's just my limited experience at this time.  I'd love to get 10% of wet, lol.

That said, I would expect the dried weight to yield the proper state for that particular weight, original wet weight irregardless.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: KenInVic]
    #23445488 - 07/15/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

But are you cutting back on misting within the last 24-36 hours before harvest?  That can have a pretty big effect on your dry down weight ratio.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23445492 - 07/15/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)




Do not mist. Toss. Start from scratch. It only gets worse if you try to salvage or keep shit around


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23445508 - 07/15/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Eh I would pick the ones that haven't bent over and toss the rest.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23445518 - 07/15/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Once you get it have fun getting rid. It's so easy to make it worse. One weak grow gets it and you spread it to healthy shit


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23445522 - 07/15/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Eh, he's had it, I've not, listen to him.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23445524 - 07/15/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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But are you cutting back on misting within the last 24-36 hours before harvest?  That can have a pretty big effect on your dry down weight ratio.




Will look at that next round.  I took the plunge and ate 45g out of one flush fresh and they'd have made a watermelon envious.  Like a chewy straw the wasn't quite empty (yukk bieng the operative term).


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: KenInVic]
    #23445528 - 07/15/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I know I have zero tolerance for fruits that look anything at all fucked from pseudo


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23445954 - 07/16/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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No.. ur just mad at me lol..

I'll wait for someone else to say something..





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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23446068 - 07/16/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Shit.. I'm thinking now that the first tub with the "MASSIVE" fruits must have infected this tub..

It was straw/coir so I feel like it's pretty contam resistant itself, but after the dunk it smelled bad, and had a yellow spot. Tbh I'm surprised I even got that second flush, but at the cost of this PE tub =/


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23446074 - 07/16/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Those look like (I think it was elasticaltiger's?)  pidgeon PE otherwise.





And what's pigeon PE? Is bacteria / poor environment what causes that fat guy look?


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23446600 - 07/16/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Last time I checked it still rains outside and mine aren't non potent.
Water is needed for all growth so I highly doubt the theory would be true. Just a guess tho...


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: MadSeasonStudent]
    #23446736 - 07/16/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would blame dirty spawn over evil previous tub when it comes to contams..


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23447666 - 07/16/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I would blame dirty spawn over evil previous tub when it comes to contams..




Shit I was worried about that... I really hope all my spawn isn't bad cuz then I might have gotten a bad syringe


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