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Overmisting lose potency?
    #23439160 - 07/13/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Can overmisting create soft, weak, unpotent extra shroom weight?

Made a monotub, substituted straw for Verm because I didn't have any at the time.
First flush came out weak, so I misted every day for the second..
Not gonna complain I got some monsters, but would you know if these giants could be not as potent as the smaller guys, due to over misting? They do seem soft and tear apart when I pick them up



But damn they look tasty


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439169 - 07/13/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When they're fresh, if they were wet from misting, I guess technically they will weigh more, but the end potency itself isn't really affected as long as you dry them.

I don't really think any of that is what is going on here.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23439170 - 07/13/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How'd you get them so massive?


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23439174 - 07/13/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

... Those aren't exactly massive.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439185 - 07/13/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

kinda. Now this is also a bit speculative, as I haven't done any tests.
However, one of the reasons people say to harvest when the veil is starting to break is because any growth afterwards is just extra weight. The mushroom has already stopped producing psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin in favor of focusing on spore production at that point. So it's mostly just more water weight.

In this case, I must say that genetics play an enormous role. That is probably reason #1 that they were weaker in potency.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23439250 - 07/13/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i actually havent tried them yet so i am not too sure of the potency of this strain. But it is also my first isolated strain so every mushroom from this batch should be the same which is nice.

And the parent i cloned actually was the biggest of the original MS tub, so I'm sure that def adds to the size.


(In My Experience, I've seen that you can directly mist the shrooms with fine mist, so long as there is no excess pooling water left after. This is another of the big reasons i was able to make them so big because once they are a decent size i mist often and they begin to show explosive growth for the last couple days..)

So i was wondering if like the shrooms gain extra mushroom material without exactly producing psilocybin if they suck up too much water.. but i do dry them fully after harvest, so hopefully they lose all the extra inactive weight..



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... Those aren't exactly massive.




and no need to sound rude.. this comment unnecessary.. they are pretty damn big compared to the majority.. but obviously there have been bigger.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat] * 1
    #23439258 - 07/13/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So now it's rude that your mushrooms aren't massive?  They're big but the guy asked you how you did it like there was some secret technique that you did to get them "massive".  They aren't massive enough to warrant that sort of wondrous envy.  :shrug:  If that's rude then oh well.

Misting the fruits isn't what made them decide to be big though, if you think that, then I'd suggest doing a few dozen more grows and a lot more reading.  Genetics and water content of the substrate have a lot more to do with it.  I hold back on misting directly once the fruits are more than halfway developed usually because it makes drying them so much more of a pain in the ass if they're all soggy.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23439264 - 07/13/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Lol! They're like slightly bigger than average for me. Anything over 10g dry is praiseworthy of "massive".


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Mad Season] * 1
    #23439398 - 07/13/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

These are approaching massive


Just so some massive fruits can be in this thread


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23439450 - 07/13/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My current theory is:


The faster they grow to maturity, the less actives per volume.  Slow growing fruits have longer to synth before they flip to spore mode.


That's the +- range from the genetic standard.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Snazz]
    #23439461 - 07/13/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

which makes sense being PE and the varieties of it are much more potent. But all we can do is assume. Which you know what that does, right?
makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME".


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23439480 - 07/13/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I too think the same thing. Fruits that take longer in colder conditions always seem to knock me in the ass


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23439486 - 07/13/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

azures sure are potent as fuck...


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23439494 - 07/13/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hard to test unless I get serious with control tubs, clones and thin layer chromatography.


Might be a project or 2 from current. Still need to isolate


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23439510 - 07/13/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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These are approaching massive


Just so some massive fruits can be in this thread




thats like the same crap.. one of those is an inch bigger..

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So now it's rude that your mushrooms aren't massive?  They're big but the guy asked you how you did it like there was some secret technique that you did to get them "massive".  They aren't massive enough to warrant that sort of wondrous envy.  :shrug:  If that's rude then oh well.

Misting the fruits isn't what made them decide to be big though, if you think that, then I'd suggest doing a few dozen more grows and a lot more reading.  Genetics and water content of the substrate have a lot more to do with it.  I hold back on misting directly once the fruits are more than halfway developed usually because it makes drying them so much more of a pain in the ass if they're all soggy.




i dont like you


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which makes sense being PE and the varieties of it are much more potent. But all we can do is assume. Which you know what that does, right?
makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME".




why is everyone repeating this like its such a cool new saying..?

I also have a nice MS PE Uncut fruiting now i'll show you guys my wonderful mutants in a few days


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439528 - 07/13/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

new? i've been saying that over a decade now. :lol:
good. let's see.
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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: dankington]
    #23439544 - 07/13/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't judge massive fruits by the height. I prefer to go with weight :hehehe:



Dirtygoat don't get butthurt. Inocuole is direct but he brings good info and isn't trying to piss you off. People here don't sugar coat stuff and precise language is considered very important. If you would look past his bluntness and read what he had to say on the subject of potency, you would have the answer to your question.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Snazz]
    #23439545 - 07/13/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's been widely discussed in pretty intense detail that lower temps increase potency.

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What temps were the differant batches fruited at?

cooler temps at fruiting make for more dence myc and more actives per gram due to slower growth.

Cold fruiting thread


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I agree with that. Seems like the mutants, albino's, abhorts, etc are always more potent. I've heard people say cold works well too but I've never tried it myself




I've heard it a bunch more before as well. Personally I feel it's true.


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439561 - 07/13/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:gay: my e-penis is so huge


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Re: Overmisting lose potency? [Re: Dirtygoat]
    #23439712 - 07/14/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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i dont like you



Says more about you than it does about me. :shrug:  Sorry I burst your bubble buddy.


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