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soggy cakes out of jars
    #23437955 - 07/13/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This may very likely have been asked before, but I searched and couldn't find anything that directly dealt with/answered this.

I left my jars to colonize for about maybe 6 weeks sitting at around 78 degrees F because I, more or less, forgot about them. The color still looks fine, and the weight is still pretty normal, but they were much, much more soggy and soft than usual. I have them dunked right now and am going to roll them and put them in their chamber tomorrow. Think they should still be viable and have an ok yield, or are they past a point of no return?


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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: wurmx]
    #23438220 - 07/13/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I do not believe you actually searched.

Before you guys grow, you should understand the actual biological/chemical processes that take place during colonization, fruiting, etc.  It makes it a whole lot easier when you understand WHY you should be doing things a certain way.

If you lack the capacity to learn these things, just try growing in a dumpster.


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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: Silverspork]
    #23438271 - 07/13/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Silverspork said:
I do not believe you actually searched.

Before you guys grow, you should understand the actual biological/chemical processes that take place during colonization, fruiting, etc.  It makes it a whole lot easier when you understand WHY you should be doing things a certain way.

If you lack the capacity to learn these things, just try growing in a dumpster.




There is nothing to say that OP actually did something wrong.
So please stop jumping to conclusions and telling everyone to get a science degree. Did you have a bad day or something?


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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: mindbentempire]
    #23438281 - 07/13/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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mindbentempire said:
Quote:

Silverspork said:
I do not believe you actually searched.

Before you guys grow, you should understand the actual biological/chemical processes that take place during colonization, fruiting, etc.  It makes it a whole lot easier when you understand WHY you should be doing things a certain way.

If you lack the capacity to learn these things, just try growing in a dumpster.




There is nothing to say that OP actually did something wrong.
So please stop jumping to conclusions and telling everyone to get a science degree. Did you have a bad day or something?




Right, I never said he did anything wrong. 

There's a big difference between understanding how mushrooms grow vs earning a degree in a science, I never implied that. 


Edited by Silverspork (07/13/16 04:35 PM)


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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: Silverspork]
    #23438378 - 07/13/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: silly guys. Yeah until we get pics, silvers response was perfectly valid. Just a generalization telling him to search it, and what he needs to know.

If you're concerned about something that applies directly to you, take pics and post them. Otherwise you're going to get general answers lol


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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: Mad Season]
    #23439803 - 07/14/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i can tell you I've been trying to learn as much as I can just through google searches, (I've probably logged well over 70 hours just researching using the internet) but I haven't found a whole lot beyond what you get in rogerrabbit's videos. I've been told/heard that most cakes can survive fine in jars for well over a month, but none of the posts/threads I saw said much about the condition the cake was in, so I assumed the condition was the same for them as it was for me after just 3 weeks of cultivation. None of them said much about an incredibly soggy cake. I'm guessing it just collected humidity from the air, but I didn't realize it would saturate the mycelium (if that's what happened) and make it more soft and squishy.I wasn't sure if that weakened it or anything else. Sorry if it comes off like I haven't done my research, but I really, really have for the most part. There are certain areas I've looked less into because those situations haven't come up, and for many situations that do come up unexpectedly, I often have no idea what they are or how to concisely describe them, which severely limits my ability to just google search what's going on. That's when I turn to making a post on here. I probably could have spent more time searching, but after 30 minutes I couldn't find anything that exactly matched my situation.

Also, I misspoke when I said I forgot about them. I left town for two weeks to visit family, thinking that the cakes could colonize and only have a week left to sit when I got back, before I put them in fruiting conditions. However, I ended up staying significantly longer than expected.


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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: wurmx]
    #23439833 - 07/14/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: Silverspork]
    #23440284 - 07/14/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Silverspork said:
I do not believe you actually searched.

Before you guys grow, you should understand the actual biological/chemical processes that take place during colonization, fruiting, etc.  It makes it a whole lot easier when you understand WHY you should be doing things a certain way.

If you lack the capacity to learn these things, just try growing in a dumpster.




It smells of troll in here....

wurmx, can you tell us why the cakes are soggy? Is it because they have been sitting in a pool of metabolites? Even if it has sat for a long time a cake should have fairly a firm texture.


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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23442477 - 07/14/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

the post you found still didn't mention a soggy cake, but yes, I've heard they should still be fine with a long consolidation period. I just wasn't expecting an almost mushy texture out of my cake. However, after dunking for a night, they seemed to get a bit more firm again, and regained a more rigid shape, which I also wasn't expecting.

They weren't really sitting in a pool of anything other than the BRF substrate I inoculated. They were just sitting in darkness in their jars for about a good 6 weeks. they also stuck to the sides of the jar significantly more than usual, which I found odd. had to slam the jar pretty hard on a counter to get it to budge.


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Re: soggy cakes out of jars [Re: wurmx]
    #23443956 - 07/15/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

OK, that is what I was going to ask, if they firmed back up. That is definitely a good sign.

Sometimes I have noticed that leaving jars colonizing for extended periods in a warm climate the grain starts to ferment. If the myc has a sickly sweet smell to it, and a spongy texture, your in danger of losing your grow to contaminates.

I'll break a cake in half and smell the middle of it if there is any question, if the middle doesn't smell right I just toss it.


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