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Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate
    #23436914 - 07/13/16 03:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry for such a very noobie question.

I've just started fruiting. One mushroom has shot up, his gill veil has stripped (What's the proper term) and he looks not far off mature.  A few others are smaller, but have the colours and attributes of mature shroomies, but longer to grow, their veils have also stripped. Then there are still lots of small pins.

Should all the mushrooms be growing at relatively the same pace?

I'm scared that, while waiting for the currently small ones to grow and mature, the large ones will...get old and die?

As you can (I'm afraid not too clearly) here, some are almost mature, others are far off



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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23436917 - 07/13/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Pick them as they are ready. With multispore you gonna get what you get, alot of genetics in there so :shrug:


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Yerow]
    #23436924 - 07/13/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Pick them as they are ready. With multispore you gonna get what you get, alot of genetics in there so :shrug:




multispore?

and signs they are ready?


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23436935 - 07/13/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

As the veil starts to drop, as your biggest mushrooms have done already.

Multispore is well.. longer subject. Basically that is what you are using, tons of different genetics in it so you cant possibly know if you are going to get big mushrooms, small mushrooms, great pinsets or non at all..
That's where cloning and such comes in, you grow out a cluster, take a clone and isolate, you grow out a potent mushroom, you clone it and isolate etc etc.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Yerow]
    #23436950 - 07/13/16 04:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That cake would have produced a lot more evenly if it was rolled in verm after the dunk.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Yerow]
    #23436953 - 07/13/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As the veil starts to drop, as your biggest mushrooms have done already.

Multispore is well.. longer subject. Basically that is what you are using, tons of different genetics in it so you cant possibly know if you are going to get big mushrooms, small mushrooms, great pinsets or non at all..
That's where cloning and such comes in, you grow out a cluster, take a clone and isolate, you grow out a potent mushroom, you clone it and isolate etc etc.


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so will all spore syringes be possibly multi-spore?

Thanks mate.

Also, for storage. I plan on making a tincture out of them. Would it be sensible to place, as they mature, the mushrooms in some high-proof ethanol (Or even ISO, and evap off totally to be left with some sort of psylo-sludge?)

and leave that for however long, until all mushrooms are mature, adding bit by bit?

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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23436987 - 07/13/16 05:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

All spore syringes are MS, yes

Storage should be by dehydration and airtight bags/made into tea and frozen, can also use those ehhhr what are they called.. vacuum packer?

I have no clue about using alcohol to store in, never read anything about that sort of stuff

And just as inocule pointed out, roll the cakes in verm next time/next dunk :thumbup:


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Yerow]
    #23437010 - 07/13/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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All spore syringes are MS, yes

Storage should be by dehydration and airtight bags/made into tea and frozen, can also use those ehhhr what are they called.. vacuum packer?

I have no clue about using alcohol to store in, never read anything about that sort of stuff

And just as inocule pointed out, roll the cakes in verm next time/next dunk :thumbup:




Oh fair, I did not think rolling in verm for first flish was a thing, thought only rolled in verm fr 2nd/third flushes.

Dunked? What do you mean?

And fair, could I just dehydrate and freeze? As I said I plan on making an extract/tincture.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437026 - 07/13/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh fair, I did not think rolling in verm for first flish was a thing, thought only rolled in verm fr 2nd/third flushes.

Dunked? What do you mean?



You're not the first person I've seen say this.. where did this info come from? Pf teks I've seen always say 1 week consolidation followed by dunking in water for 24 hours, and rolling them in verm. Never have I seen 2nd flush only, which makes no sense because at that point you're giving all the contamination spores from the first flush a nice place to germinate.

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And fair, could I just dehydrate and freeze? As I said I plan on making an extract/tincture.



You could just dehydrate them and store them in a cool dark place. Preferably air tight. I'd think about making tea out of it. Really don't think you should waste your first products on a tincture. Honestly I'd just eat them straight up. Or lemon tek it. You'll get more bang for your buck.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Mad Season]
    #23437043 - 07/13/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh fair, I did not think rolling in verm for first flish was a thing, thought only rolled in verm fr 2nd/third flushes.

Dunked? What do you mean?



You're not the first person I've seen say this.. where did this info come from? Pf teks I've seen always say 1 week consolidation followed by dunking in water for 24 hours, and rolling them in verm. Never have I seen 2nd flush only, which makes no sense because at that point you're giving all the contamination spores from the first flush a nice place to germinate.

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And fair, could I just dehydrate and freeze? As I said I plan on making an extract/tincture.



You could just dehydrate them and store them in a cool dark place. Preferably air tight. I'd think about making tea out of it. Really don't think you should waste your first products on a tincture. Honestly I'd just eat them straight up. Or lemon tek it. You'll get more bang for your buck.





Okay cheers mate, freezing would not harm them at all though, would it?  Also, best way to dehydrate without a fan?


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437046 - 07/13/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Freezing will harm them if they have even a tiny amount of water still left in them.  They have to be absolutely 100% dry before being subjected to freezing conditions or they're basically ruined.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437050 - 07/13/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Also this dunking? Explain it please mate? I went straight from inoculated pot to emptying mycelium cake in to fruiting tub/bag


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Inocuole]
    #23437061 - 07/13/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Freezing will harm them if they have even a tiny amount of water still left in them.  They have to be absolutely 100% dry before being subjected to freezing conditions or they're basically ruined.





Okay, would fridge help at all?


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437067 - 07/13/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you don't have a proper means of drying (dehydrator) and want to store long term I would make tea from them fresh and freeze it.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23437104 - 07/13/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If you don't have a proper means of drying (dehydrator) and want to store long term I would make tea from them fresh and freeze it.





What about oven drying?

And fair, ever read/heard of anyone reducing tea to small doses, or even reducing it totally, to a goo/crystal/powder?


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437112 - 07/13/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Also this dunking? Explain it please mate? I went straight from inoculated pot to emptying mycelium cake in to fruiting tub/bag




What were you reading that led you do this?  Even the ancient PF tek floating around says to dunk.  Did you even consolidate for a week after full colonization?

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Freezing will harm them if they have even a tiny amount of water still left in them.  They have to be absolutely 100% dry before being subjected to freezing conditions or they're basically ruined.





Okay, would fridge help at all?




Not... really.  If they're dry they don't need the fridge or the freezer, if they not dry, neither are going to help much anyway.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Inocuole]
    #23437127 - 07/13/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Also this dunking? Explain it please mate? I went straight from inoculated pot to emptying mycelium cake in to fruiting tub/bag




What were you reading that led you do this?  Even the ancient PF tek floating around says to dunk.  Did you even consolidate for a week after full colonization?

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Freezing will harm them if they have even a tiny amount of water still left in them.  They have to be absolutely 100% dry before being subjected to freezing conditions or they're basically ruined.





Okay, would fridge help at all?




Not... really.  If they're dry they don't need the fridge or the freezer, if they not dry, neither are going to help much anyway.





What do you mean by consolidate?

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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437128 - 07/13/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, an oven can work with the door open and a fan blowing in. You want heat + moving air.
After cracker dry just store air tight.
I have never heard of anyone having good success with goo/ extracts. Munchauzen had a good Idea of using a pollen press to press down dry matter into small over 1 gram disks. That along with finding a potent isolate/clone is one of the best ways I've heard to have the most bang in the smallest package.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23437133 - 07/13/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, an oven can work with the door open and a fan blowing in. You want heat + moving air.
After cracker dry just store air tight.
I have never heard of anyone having good success with goo/ extracts. Munchauzen had a good Idea of using a pollen press to press down dry matter into small over 1 gram disks. That along with finding a potent isolate/clone is one of the best ways I've heard to have the most bang in the smallest package.




what seems to be the downside to these goos/resins?


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437140 - 07/13/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Not sure exactly, my guess is most of the actives are oxidized during reduction. Not saying it couldn't be done somehow and if someone has I'd like to hear about it, but I remember a few ppl trying and they said it wasn't that great.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23437145 - 07/13/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sticky af as well. Retardedly hard to get it down to desired dose too. It's like only worth it if you have excess. Not a first grow.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Mad Season]
    #23437155 - 07/13/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm. Maybe I will get N 3/5 cubes, try with a small amount of ISO and see what the resulting goo is like, potency wise


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    #23437158 - 07/13/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hmm. Maybe I will get N 3/5 cubes, try with a small amount of ISO and see what the resulting goo is like, potency wise





Extracts are a waste of time. Soaking them in ISO is NOT a good idea. Please don't ruin your fruits because you are obsessed with the concept of extractions.

Make mushroom tea, with tea leaves, and sweetener. No need to eat the fruits either, they can be strained out, and I advise you do just that. Won't have any mushroom flavor and will kick you squarely in the ass.

If you are not consuming the mushrooms, leave them as mushrooms. They store best as mushrooms.

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    #23437187 - 07/13/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Hmm. Maybe I will get N 3/5 cubes, try with a small amount of ISO and see what the resulting goo is like, potency wise





Extracts are a waste of time. Soaking them in ISO is NOT a good idea. Please don't ruin your fruits because you are obsessed with the concept of extractions.

Make mushroom tea, with tea leaves, and sweetener. No need to eat the fruits either, they can be strained out, and I advise you do just that. Won't have any mushroom flavor and will kick you squarely in the ass.

If you are not consuming the mushrooms, leave them as mushrooms. They store best as mushrooms.

extracts are NOT for mushrooms




Why is ISO in particular a bad idea?

I'm minly looking for it for storage, but also compact storage.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437194 - 07/13/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You plan on drinking iso? Really?

So do you even Google things? Iso is poisonous. We have an awesome search function as well. I can tell you know very little, I doubt anyone here will be willing to tell you everything. We don't mind helping with the small stuff, but this is beginning to feel like a spoon fed thread.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Mad Season]
    #23437202 - 07/13/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You plan on drinking iso? Really?

So do you even Google things? Iso is poisonous. We have an awesome search function as well. I can tell you know very little, I doubt anyone here will be willing to tell you everything. We don't mind helping with the small stuff, but this is beginning to feel like a spoon fed thread.





No, I plan on evaporating the ISO off...


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    #23437210 - 07/13/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Plus, ISO is lethal at levels of about 230ml, doubt 1 or 2ml, possible less, left over in an extract, will harm.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23437226 - 07/13/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Again for the last time. It is going to have a lot of waste which you could further dissolve with a defat process, and with it exposed like that at the end, expect lots of oxidation. This is something you SHOULDN'T be doing as a first timer. Shrooms are like so small as is. 1 mouthful is like easily 2g of cracker dry material. The best way for long term compact storage is in raw cracker dry form... There's a reason why everyone does them that way. You can even powder it.. 3g of powder can easily fit in a condom wrapper it's so small.

Yeah doubt it's poisonous enough to kill you. Still not exactly good for your liver.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Mad Season]
    #23437248 - 07/13/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Extracts are not how you store this stuff, I dunno what kinda mad scientist shit you're trying to pull here but you will not be the dude with a vial of mushroom goo to pull out for some party, that's not gonna happen.  You cannot store them better than as whole mushrooms, dried and sealed.


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Inocuole]
    #23437785 - 07/13/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ahhh i get it now.. Ok OP, the best i can find that resembles something ala what you want to do would be this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14748442#14748442

One for medicinals and stuff, no idea if it would work the same for cubes
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18845747

Also a few other teks by other noteable members but yeah. :shrug:

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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Yerow]
    #23437924 - 07/13/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Ahhh i get it now.. Ok OP, the best i can find that resembles something ala what you want to do would be this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14748442#14748442

One for medicinals and stuff, no idea if it would work the same for cubes
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18845747

Also a few other teks by other noteable members but yeah. :shrug:

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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23438030 - 07/13/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah it is just tiresome because people ask the same questions a lot. Have not seen many threads about extractions and stuff like this though :strokebeard:


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Re: Mushrooms growing at rather uneven rate [Re: Leeq]
    #23438581 - 07/13/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thank you mate, I do but I like getting answers tailored to myself if you get me.




Guess how much everybody else likes tailoring answers to one specific person who isn't willing to search?  Just a quick guess, I'm curious.


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