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OfflineLuminous7


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Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation?
    #23436624 - 07/13/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Iv been drying on a heated matt that was originally meant for germinating seeds.

It reaches a Max temp. or about 31 degrees celcius.

I usually keep them drying on the heat matt for some times up to like 4-5 days if i forget or w.e. Also there is no fan or anything just a heat matt and

a pink himilayan rock salt lamp.

Generally until the shrooms snap like a bone dry twig in the woods.

Im just wondering if this long period of time ( sometimes 4-5 days ) will be to much for them and they will lose potency ?

Im sure they are fine but i just wanted a few peoples opinons .

Thanks in advance !


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: Luminous7]
    #23436667 - 07/13/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Luminous7 said:
Iv been drying on a heated matt that was originally meant for germinating seeds.

It reaches a Max temp. or about 31 degrees celcius.

I usually keep them drying on the heat matt for some times up to like 4-5 days if i forget or w.e. Also there is no fan or anything just a heat matt and

a pink himilayan rock salt lamp.

Generally until the shrooms snap like a bone dry twig in the woods.

Im just wondering if this long period of time ( sometimes 4-5 days ) will be to much for them and they will lose potency ?

Im sure they are fine but i just wanted a few peoples opinons .

Thanks in advance !




Ditch the mat.  That is way too long to be drying.  Get a dehydrator that hits 160 and dry them to cracker crispness in 4 hrs or so.


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: KenInVic]
    #23437218 - 07/13/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yep, he's right, invest in a cheap food dehydrator.
You want to get your shrooms cracker dry as fast as possible.
And a dehydrator set at 160f is the best way to do that. :awesomenod::thumbup:


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: KenInVic]
    #23437561 - 07/13/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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KenInVic said:
Quote:

Luminous7 said:
Iv been drying on a heated matt that was originally meant for germinating seeds.

It reaches a Max temp. or about 31 degrees celcius.

I usually keep them drying on the heat matt for some times up to like 4-5 days if i forget or w.e. Also there is no fan or anything just a heat matt and

a pink himilayan rock salt lamp.

Generally until the shrooms snap like a bone dry twig in the woods.

Im just wondering if this long period of time ( sometimes 4-5 days ) will be to much for them and they will lose potency ?

Im sure they are fine but i just wanted a few peoples opinons .

Thanks in advance !




Ditch the mat.  That is way too long to be drying.  Get a dehydrator that hits 160 and dry them to cracker crispness in 4 hrs or so.



am i losing potency ????


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: Luminous7]
    #23437602 - 07/13/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Luminous7 said:
Quote:

KenInVic said:
Quote:

Luminous7 said:
Iv been drying on a heated matt that was originally meant for germinating seeds.

It reaches a Max temp. or about 31 degrees celcius.

I usually keep them drying on the heat matt for some times up to like 4-5 days if i forget or w.e. Also there is no fan or anything just a heat matt and

a pink himilayan rock salt lamp.

Generally until the shrooms snap like a bone dry twig in the woods.

Im just wondering if this long period of time ( sometimes 4-5 days ) will be to much for them and they will lose potency ?

Im sure they are fine but i just wanted a few peoples opinons .

Thanks in advance !




Ditch the mat.  That is way too long to be drying.  Get a dehydrator that hits 160 and dry them to cracker crispness in 4 hrs or so.



am i losing potency ????



Yes


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23437648 - 07/13/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

For my first two monotubs I was drying my fruits on an oven rack I front of a desk fan for two or three days, if I did lose potency it wasn't missed. I'm a huge fan of fresh mushrooms though...and I have since built a proper dehydrator...i also recommend the investment.


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: Mycologist217]
    #23437685 - 07/13/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Logically potency is lost unless you have a high temperature to denature the enzymes (like 140F). Also the water too will be keeping them active. Dry asap on max dehydrator heat to have the most potency retained.


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23437701 - 07/13/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Shoot , ok I guess ill have to buy a dehydrator. They would usually become cracker dry in about 2 days and thats how long i usually keep them drying for , but sometime s i forget and they sit for a while.

I figured since the temp is sooo low ( 30 c ) that there wouldnt be any break down of active alkaloids ?

How exactly is the psilocybin breaking down ? Due to oxidation from being in the air for to long ?



Thanks for the feed back everone


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: Luminous7]
    #23437729 - 07/13/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The alkaloids don't break down til in the mid 300s.



The oxidation process is actually a gain in a hydrogen atom. It is from the nearby enzymes. Enzymes are the reducing agent. Enzymes can be denatured through either heat or pH, and completely deactivated with a loss of water. Water is what keeps the enzymes going. That's why high heat and dehydrated fully is the best way to retain potency.


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Re: Drying question ( low temps / long time) Degredation? Oxidation? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23437760 - 07/13/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

ahh i see. ok thanks .


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