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hostileuniverse said:
The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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hostileuniverse said:
The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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hes shifted her very much to the left on key issues. I don't feel he sold out... what more can he do? he can't be president, and as if trump were the choice endorsement. Sure he could run third party... but as if that were a real thing in America.

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OhMrJohnson said:
I was gonna say the same thing myself

It's almost insulting, the way we were all brought up in the public school systems to love our government and never question it, and now that we're old enough to actually vote who is there to vote for? Some bitter old white lady with blood on her hands versus a fucking con-artist businessman

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Thayendanegea said:
This day was gonna happen...Bernie got her to agree with him on the free  college tuition thing as leverage for his backing of her.
The general election is all but over...get ready for your first female President of the United States of America as I have been saying all along. Trump might as well just save his money or maybe use it to pay back some of his Chapter 7 debts. Lol, like that would ever happen.

Trump is not fit to run this country and all the bullshit campaign strategy deflecting attention to Hillary's Email and the Benghazi tragedy won't do a damn thing except lather up some more rednecks that actually think Hillary is gonna take their guns from them. If half of the Bernie supporters vote for Hillary....It will be a landslide. If I were Mitch Mitchell, I would get busy authorizing Obama's choice for Supreme Court Justice because Hillary's is liable to be a much more liberal individual.

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saw a meme in funnies thread.

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Acaterpillar said:
This came to me as a bit of a shock this morning.
I'm curious to hear what the Shroomery thinks, considering y'all are the most cynical group I interact with.


https://twitter.com/i/moments/752880244189696000

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Acaterpillar said:
This came to me as a bit of a shock this morning.
I'm curious to hear what the Shroomery thinks, considering y'all are the most cynical group I interact with.


https://twitter.com/i/moments/752880244189696000

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hostileuniverse said:
The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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The safety of himself and extended family.

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hostileuniverse said:
The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

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The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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The safety of himself and extended family.

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You have any evidence for this extraordinary claim or are you just pulling this out of your ass?

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The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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Id much rather bend over for the elites than give the country to a fascist egomaniac like trump.

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Webster10 said:
corruption, the Washington cartel, wall-streets influence on politics, politicians being persuaded by money from foreign governments, a lack of transparency in Washington, the sense of entitlement of politicians and the spread of globalism way more than they hate trump. Hillary embodies all of that

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The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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hes shifted her very much to the left on key issues. I don't feel he sold out... what more can he do? he can't be president, and as if trump were the choice endorsement. Sure he could run third party... but as if that were a real thing in America.

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saw a meme in funnies thread.

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Have arguably seen more media coverage of Trump's hair in general this election than Hillary's corruption, but few complain as it is okay to criticize a man for his appearance.

His hair and his rich man orange tan tend to speak louder on their own than when called attention to though.

Let's build a hut of his hair in protest.

Wonder what costs more, the hut or the weave?

Better sue the media for questioning the hair.

This whole election is ridiculous, it's not even through summer and America is already stuck with Dillary Clump.

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The guy who apparently would never sell out, has just sold out.

Hillary is everything he has spent HIS WHOLE LIFE fighting against; privilege, obscene wealth, elitism; such a shame to see him sell out like that.

I wonder how much he was paid?

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That sickens me. Just because he's made some remarks, jokingly, about some groups of people, you're going to willfully help the elites destroy our country even further. Please just don't vote, it's clear you don't understand the repercussions of a Hillary presidency.

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That sickens me. Just because he's made some remarks, jokingly, about some groups of people, you're going to willfully help the elites destroy our country even further. Please just don't vote, it's clear you don't understand the repercussions of a Hillary presidency.

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Lol. Like trump isn't elite. He lives in a fucking palace and flies around in his own 737. His wealth is one of his campaign positions. Jesus, how fucking off the rails is someone who supports trump and complains about the elite.

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Thayen, you're about the most politically inept person on this board. Hillary isn't going to be the president.

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That sickens me. Just because he's made some remarks, jokingly, about some groups of people, you're going to willfully help the elites destroy our country even further. Please just don't vote, it's clear you don't understand the repercussions of a Hillary presidency.

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Lol. Like trump isn't elite. He lives in a fucking palace and flies around in his own 737. His wealth is one of his campaign positions. Jesus, how fucking off the rails is someone who supports trump and complains about the elite.

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And we are the ones in another reality???

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That sickens me. Just because he's made some remarks, jokingly, about some groups of people, you're going to willfully help the elites destroy our country even further. Please just don't vote, it's clear you don't understand the repercussions of a Hillary presidency.

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BS, pardon the pun


With 43% identifying as independent, there's simply no reason a third party candidate, given a strong platform, couldn't win

How could they not?

Every other country on earth has more than two parties, there's simply no reason why we need to vote for establishment same shit politicians

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BS, pardon the pun


With 43% identifying as independent, there's simply no reason a third party candidate, given a strong platform, couldn't win

How could they not?

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BS, pardon the pun


With 43% identifying as independent, there's simply no reason a third party candidate, given a strong platform, couldn't win

How could they not?

Every other country on earth has more than two parties, there's simply no reason why we need to vote for establishment same shit politicians

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Someone could win, but not one of those two.
Independents are divided as well, BS and RP are both on the extreme end of idealism.

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58% of Americans support Bernies single payer plan

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/17/they_agree_with_bernie_majority_of_americans_support_single_payer_medicare_for_all_health_care_system/

62% support free public college

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poll-most-support-making-college-free/article/2572333

what were his other platforms? Oh yeah, massive tax increases

I coundnt find any polls on raising taxes on the middle class

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We have two parties because that is the way our government is constitutionally structured.

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BS, pardon the pun


With 43% identifying as independent, there's simply no reason a third party candidate, given a strong platform, couldn't win

How could they not?

Every other country on earth has more than two parties, there's simply no reason why we need to vote for establishment same shit politicians

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We have two parties because that is the way our government is constitutionally structured.

Until the constitution is changed, a competitive three way presidential race is never going to happen, because if it were truly competitive, no candidate would receive 270 electoral college votes and the entire election would be taken out of the hands of the people and handed to the House of Representatives to decide.

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The House of Representatives is voted in by the people, not sure if you knew that or not

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Of course Trump never voted for war, he doesn't have any experience

If you really think he wouldn't ever vote for any wars, you're out of your mind.

Not only that, but you are completely mistaken if you think even Bernie never voted for war, he has made a number of endorsements and voted for numerous wars in the past:

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

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Bernie Sanders supporters should really take the time to examine his foreign policy record before making assumptions about it. No, he's not antiwar. No, he's not a noninterventionist. No, he didn't only vote to "support the troops" stationed overseas. Bernie - like Trump, Hillary, Rubio, Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, and every other Republican and Democrat running for office - is an imperialist, and his long political history clearly reflects this..

Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

Writes Ron Jacobs of Counter Punch, 3/31/2003:

"For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can remember Bernie's staunch support for Clinton's 100-day bombing of Yugoslavia and Kosovo in 1999. I served as a support person for a dozen or so Vermonters who sat-in in his Burlington office a couple weeks into that war. Not only did Sanders refuse to talk with us via telephone (unlike his Vermont counterparts in the Senate-Leahy and Jeffords), he had his staff call the local police to arrest those who refused to leave until Sanders spoke with them. The following week Sanders held a town hall meeting in Montpelier, VT., where he surrounded himself with sympathetic war supporters and one university professor who opposed the war and Bernie's support for it. During the question and answer part of the meeting, Sanders yelled at two of the audience's most vocal opponents to his position and told them to leave if they didn't like what he had to say."

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq. However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."

That same year, Bernie didn't object to having his name included - by unanimous consent - in S.498, which backed Israel's brutal, summer-long military assault against Gaza.

Most recently, he vowed to continue Obama's murderous international drone war. Bernie also supports funneling weapons into Iraq to fight ISIS as well as airstrikes, and he continues to spread the myth that Iran seeks to build nuclear weapons.

All of this information is publicly available and verifiable with a Google search.

Maybe it can be brushed aside and ignored on the basis of him being a "lesser evil" who may kill less people than other presidential candidates - though that begs the question of how many foreigners a Bernie supporter is okay with butchering before it's one too many. 100? 1000? 5000? What's an acceptable body count? At what point does it stop mattering?

Whatever the case may be, is it asking too much for Bernie supporters to stop smearing actual antiwar activists and noninterventionists by putting them in the same category as a warmonger? Even if he's a "light" warmonger - even if he's a "lesser evil" - he's still a warmonger, he's still evil, and he's certainly not preaching a message of peace.

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