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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23472101 - 07/24/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's not just Americans. Every country has ignorant/stupid people.






But Americans have made it an art form.



Americans have been dumbed down intentionally. We, via the media, have been made to drool over the next Kardashian ass switching across the screen, and to be paranoid of our neighbors. We, via the educational system, have indoctrinated and dumbed down our entire population. Less than 50% of this Country's graduating PhD's were even born here.

Our society is tending more and more toward instant gratification, sex, violence, and opiates.

People don't cook because they subsist on microwavable hot pockets. Parents don't raise their children, they buy them an I-pad and let them raise themselves. They don't sit down and have dinner as a family, when you get hungry, you unwrap the hot pocket, stick it in the microwave, and press the button that has the hot pocket silhouette.

Marriages are a fucking joke in this country. Its not uncommon to find a woman with three or more different "baby-daddy's". (A baby-daddy is the father of one's children) Our gov't has a very generous entitlement program that allows people in such a situation to live quite comfortably on the charity of others. As a result, such a practice is incentivized. This is terrible for the economy. The increase in unskilled labor is far outpacing the demand for labor. This creates more competition among laborers, pushing down wages, and further ballooning welfare programs.

Our society is clearly becoming much more violent. Anyone's favorite HBO/Showtime series is proof of that. It is getting more and more gruesome every year. I remember when the walking dead came out, I noted how they weren't showing any humans being killed in gruesome fashion. It was only Zombies being stabbed through the face with fire pokers and what not. However, I saw clips of an episode that was released a few seasons later, and they are showing 5 guys being executed by being bound, knelt by a trough to collect blood, and having their skulls bashed in with baseball bats. Millions of households crowd around their televisions sets with their 11 year old kids and watch the Walking Dead.

Heroin is illegal in the U.S.. 90% of opium is grown in Afghanistan on the other side of the world. You can get heroin today in any town in America. The overwhelming majority of people who do heroin, started on prescription opiates. Prescription opiate sales have skyrocketed (tripled) following the U.S. military operations in Afghanistan. Our soldiers are now guarding the poppy fields... 

Our country is made stupid on purpose. The establishment doesn't want us asking any questions. Do your job, pay your taxes, and shut the fuck up. Just drive in your Lexus, turn on your American Idol, and don't look over here while we spend hundreds of billions of dollars every year blowing up people living in clay houses and stealing their opium, lithium, and making them trade their oil for USD. You be happy and stay over there, don't look at the death and destruction your tax dollars support over here.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Enlil]
    #23472133 - 07/24/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The only election that uses an electoral college is the Presidential election.  That is the least important election.  Your votes for local and state offices are far more important to your daily life than who becomes president




Are we not speaking in the context of the presidential elections? I almost added that very local and state qualifier there, but found it redundant.

And the federal gov't has much more influence over your liberties than state and local governments, for no reason other than the fact that the Federal gov't has extreme influence over those entities. It hasn't always been that way, our system was indeed designed to put more power in state and local governments. Its unfortunate that champions of big government have ruined what once was a democratic republic. Yay! Centralized power! Co-operation through coercion! Healthcare by force!


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: amp244]
    #23472145 - 07/24/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

First, this thread isn't about presidential elections.  The OP is about Congress.  Second, the federal government has far less power over your liberties.  State governments can regulate almost anything.  The federal government has far more limited control.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Enlil]
    #23472177 - 07/24/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I am all for voting in local elections. 100%. My tiff was with those who think they are going to elect the president with a popular vote. That's not even how it works on paper.

The states could lower their drinking age if they wanted to...Oh but the Feds wont give them any money if they do that. You must not have read my point about the Feds having extreme influence over State and local gov'ts.

The federal government has far more influence over your liberties than states and localities. If you don't like the laws in your state or locality, you can just move without much expense. You don't have to vote, you just move. It isn't as easy to change countries (assuming there are better options) if yours starts going to shit. I can't move away from Obamacare. I can't move away from federal income tax.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: amp244]
    #23472220 - 07/24/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You can move away from both.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Enlil]
    #23472231 - 07/24/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

At a much greater expense. And me, not so much so. Because I've been arrested in VA for distribution of marijuana, I am not allowed entry into Canada. The mother fuckers searched me and everything on me (an entire suitcase of clothes, turned inside out) and turned me around at customs. Sorry, you're not allowed in Canada.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: amp244]
    #23472241 - 07/24/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Canada is but one option.  Still, you opted to exempt yourself from the laws of this nation instead of moving elsewhere.  As a result, your freedom has been curtailed.  You have no one to blame but yourself.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Enlil]
    #23472356 - 07/24/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No question about that I take and took full responsibility for my actions. I don't agree with the punishments for my crime, but I was well aware of what they were when I undertook the actions I undertook. I did my time, which was enough to straighten me out, but the Felony is permanent, and by far more severe. As a felon, I am lumped in with rapists and murderers, which in my opinion is not right.

Regardless, the argument was about moving as a means to escape government oppression/infringement of liberties. My point was demonstrating that it is much harder to move countries than states/localities. I have since moved to California where I enjoy a career as a farmer, despite my "curtailed freedom". I can still change states and localities at will and as frequently as my heart desires! I cannot, however, change countries with this level of ease, nor can I chose whatever country I want, as is evidenced by my Canada experience.

Try to become an Israeli citizen and see what happens. There's a country with no separation of church and state, that wont grant you citizenship unless you are an orthodox Jew. So even those with completely clean records, will find that they are not free to simply change nationalities at their will.
http://www.moin.gov.il/Pages/default.aspx


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23472728 - 07/24/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's not just Americans. Every country has ignorant/stupid people.






But Americans have made it an art form.




Yet still, Americans run the fucking world :laugh2:

That's got to eat you up, huh?


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23472892 - 07/24/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's not just Americans. Every country has ignorant/stupid people.






But Americans have made it an art form.




Yet still, Americans run the fucking world :laugh2:

That's got to eat you up, huh?




You had meant to say corporate america runs the country. You can see that obama in this video is playing word games. That he stated that the United states has fewer Illegals than it ever has been since the Reagan era.  But of course it is lower because everytime they smeaks over the border, he hurry up and give them amnesty without a background check before they are reported.





Obama Grants Amnesty to Illegal Immigrants Without Congress http://dailysignal.com/2013/08/30/obama-grants-amnesty-to-illegal-immigrants-without-congress/


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23473152 - 07/24/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No, I meant to say America runs the world. We do, you know. Putin himself said we are the last remaining Super Power.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: amp244]
    #23474860 - 07/25/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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No question about that I take and took full responsibility for my actions. I don't agree with the punishments for my crime, but I was well aware of what they were when I undertook the actions I undertook. I did my time, which was enough to straighten me out, but the Felony is permanent, and by far more severe. As a felon, I am lumped in with rapists and murderers, which in my opinion is not right.

Regardless, the argument was about moving as a means to escape government oppression/infringement of liberties. My point was demonstrating that it is much harder to move countries than states/localities. I have since moved to California where I enjoy a career as a farmer, despite my "curtailed freedom". I can still change states and localities at will and as frequently as my heart desires! I cannot, however, change countries with this level of ease, nor can I chose whatever country I want, as is evidenced by my Canada experience.

Try to become an Israeli citizen and see what happens. There's a country with no separation of church and state, that wont grant you citizenship unless you are an orthodox Jew. So even those with completely clean records, will find that they are not free to simply change nationalities at their will.
http://www.moin.gov.il/Pages/default.aspx




There will be a point, if Americans are to remain free, where your record can be expunged of that felony.

America was subject to a massive fraud by a conspiracy relating to cannabis that has cost the world mightily as it was induced to abandon hemp industry largely.

America was covertly taken over after the civil war and has been used militarily to steal resource since that time.  That takeover or infiltration, if it is to be stopped or ended, will only be accomplished by states citizens agreement within due legal process defending the original intents of the constitution.

This is the very first step for state citizens to reclaim their original rights and freedoms while also broadly protecting their futures.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/declarator-declare-constitutional-intent

Our agreement upon constitutional intent invokes the 9th amendment when it reaches proportions that control democracy, but it's law, not politics.

This is a summarized description of the legal due process which state citizens impose on the state with majority rule.

http://algoxy.com/law/lawfulpeacefulrevolution.html


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: ChristopherABrown]
    #23474928 - 07/25/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There will be a point, if Americans are to remain free, where your record can be purged of that felony.







just because a felony can be expunged does not mean it is entirely removed from one's record.  i don't know how it effects international travel, as i am not to that point, yet.  laws vary state by state.  some states there is no expunging process.  in some states "expunging" only modifies one's record, though the felony still exists as a mark.  in a lot of situations, the expunging is the first step towards reinstatement of rights.  not all rights can be regained in all states


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: demiu5]
    #23474984 - 07/25/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There will be a point, if Americans are to remain free, where your record can be purged of that felony.







just because a felony can be expunged does not mean it is entirely removed from one's record.  i don't know how it effects international travel, as i am not to that point, yet.  laws vary state by state.  some states there is no expunging process.  in some states "expunging" only modifies one's record, though the felony still exists as a mark.  in a lot of situations, the expunging is the first step towards reinstatement of rights.  not all rights can be regained in all states




True enough.  But if Americans are to remain free, states are going to agree at levels never before seen.  Some international changes will be seen to accommodate the restoration of American constitutional government.  I would not expect Israel to do that, but Canada probably will.

The important thing is that American self destruction down the path of consumerism ends as a form of leadership globally.  Corporations bound to capitalism are not going to be able to do it completely or quickly enough. 

American leadership is going to change if the human species is going to continue to evolve.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23475639 - 07/25/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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No, I meant to say America runs the world. We do, you know. Putin himself said we are the last remaining Super Power.




We do not know what is going on around the world. They should have us watch via satellite, on close circuit T.V. when they has these negotiations. And anyone whom is representing the citizens of the U.S. cannot talk to any foreign diplomat in seclusion, that they must have a camera crew following them broad casting every single meeting live. And they cannot even go into the men or women restroom together with any foreign diplomats without the camera crew being in there with them . As Putin has been saying that our representatives has been talking to them very rudely as if we are the super power and that no other country better not forget it.
We cannot be sending our people over there harassing them; or else those countries will start buying more Nukes from our businessmen to scare us out of there countries.


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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Douglas Howard]
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