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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#23437014 - 07/13/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ah, so I see you're incapable of holding an adult conversation.
well when your approach to speaking matches an angsty teenager, I highly doubt you're saying anything worth hearing.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: airclay]
#23437298 - 07/13/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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More and proper education would solve a lot of voting issues. People have so many back woods beliefs. Most of what they learned came from emotional,tv programming exploiting an ignorant upbringing. Sometimes being brought up under the far right forces people a little left. But this seems rare.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: airclay] 1
#23437317 - 07/13/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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airclay said: ah, so I see you're incapable of holding an adult conversation.
No, I just figured what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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well when your approach to speaking matches an angsty teenager, I highly doubt you're saying anything worth hearing.
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I'll keep that in mind as you guys beat-up your favorite target.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Morel Guy]
#23437499 - 07/13/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: More and proper education would solve a lot of voting issues. People have so many back woods beliefs. Most of what they learned came from emotional,tv programming exploiting an ignorant upbringing. Sometimes being brought up under the far right forces people a little left. But this seems rare.
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Or is that the Republicans doing in Congress?
I know in Ohio the Republicans have hurt things a lot. There are hardly any Public Schools left in our City. They want a stupid population that is easily controlled.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: luvdemshrooms] 2
#23437614 - 07/13/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: You must be a delicate 'lil flower if that insulted you.
More insults from the self proclaimed adult in the room. 
I don't think anyone's hurt. Just pointing out that you're the child in the discussion.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Morel Guy]
#23437624 - 07/13/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Or is that the Republicans doing in Congress?
I know in Ohio the Republicans have hurt things a lot. There are hardly any Public Schools left in our City. They want a stupid population that is easily controlled.
The politicians that were in office before are all linked up. There were no two parties but one. But now we are going to have our very first Republican President since the last time it was over a century ago. Remember that Obama said that he has restored things, and so that is a lie. He pretending that things has been fix. About him creating jobs; all he has done is to cut the hours into halves, and so now, the eight hours shift is shared by two people. And made it hard for those that receives unemployment insurance, that they can only receive it for a couple of month then they are not recorded in the statistic of not employed americans even if they has not found a job. They become invisible. And so now, we has eight people that are sharing an eight hour shift and a fake report about the unemployment rate has drop even though the invisible or the unmentionables ones that are unemployed has increased.
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Morel Guy said: Or is that the Republicans doing in Congress?
I know in Ohio the Republicans have hurt things a lot. There are hardly any Public Schools left in our City. They want a stupid population that is easily controlled.
The politicians that were in office before are all linked up. There were no two parties but one. But now we are going to have our very first Republican President since the last time it was over a century ago. Remember that Obama said that he has restored things, and so that is a lie. He pretending that things has been fix. About him creating jobs; all he has done is to cut the hours into halves, and so now, the eight hours shift is shared by two people. And made it hard for those that receives unemployment insurance, that they can only receive it for a couple of month then they are not recorded in the statistic of not employed americans even if they has not found a job. They become invisible. And so now, we has eight people that are sharing an eight hour shift and a fake report about the unemployment rate has drop even though the invisible or the unmentionables ones that are unemployed has increased.
The way I see it is that the two parties have never been more divided. How's all that you mentioned Obama's fault?
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Douglas Howard] 1
#23437656 - 07/13/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Douglas Howard said: About him creating jobs; all he has done is to cut the hours into halves, and so now, the eight hours shift is shared by two people. And made it hard for those that receives unemployment insurance, that they can only receive it for a couple of month then they are not recorded in the statistic of not employed americans even if they has not found a job. They become invisible. And so now, we has eight people that are sharing an eight hour shift and a fake report about the unemployment rate has drop even though the invisible or the unmentionables ones that are unemployed has increased.
Obama hasn't done any of those things. That's just republicans whining about how much better things are now than they were when Obama first took office. Granted, things can and should get better, but eight people are NOT sharing a single shift (or even two people for that matter). Rules for counting unemployment haven't changed.
And if don't like the official U3 unemployment figure, feel free to use U6 unemployment, as that factors in discouraged workers, marginally attached workers, and those workers who are forced to work part-time for economic reasons. U6 is back to normal compared to historical values:

The problem is low wages. We MUST increase minimum wage for things to really get better.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: luvdemshrooms] 3
#23437677 - 07/13/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: If it were a true democracy we would go online everyday or once a week and log into a voters account voting away as we wish.
Watch what you wish for:
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Today most Americans (51%) now support banning Muslims entering the United States
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https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/28/divide-muslim-neighborhood-patrols/
For decades Americans would have voted to keep interracial or gay marriage illegal. Should that have been up to the voters?
Civil rights dont (or rather, shouldnt) require majority approval. Thats why gay marriage is legal even in Mississippi.
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luvdemshrooms said: You must be a delicate 'lil flower if that insulted you.
More insults from the self proclaimed adult in the room. 
I don't think anyone's hurt. Just pointing out that you're the child in the discussion.
Coming from a child that doesn't count for much. You and just about everyone else in this forum does the same.
Sound familiar?...
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You're not smart enough to argue with what people post so you argue with what you make believe they post.
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You are a living facepalm.
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They call him hostileuniverse.
which was in response to "What do they call someone who pretend like he's ignorant about what people have discussed?"
Come back and play again when you aren't doing the same.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23437783 - 07/13/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: If it were a true democracy we would go online everyday or once a week and log into a voters account voting away as we wish.
Watch what you wish for:
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Today most Americans (51%) now support banning Muslims entering the United States
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https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/28/divide-muslim-neighborhood-patrols/
For decades Americans would have voted to keep interracial or gay marriage illegal. Should that have been up to the voters?
Civil rights dont (or rather, shouldnt) require majority approval. Thats why gay marriage is legal even in Mississippi.
And there are many who disagree. The point was that people don't always vote for doing the right thing or make the right choices. Were weed laws the right thing? How many years were there that people would have voted against legalization? That's still the case in many states. How many would have voted to stifle free speech (depending on the subject)?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23437842 - 07/13/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shit, how many would vote for segregation or slavery?
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Douglas Howard said: About him creating jobs; all he has done is to cut the hours into halves, and so now, the eight hours shift is shared by two people. And made it hard for those that receives unemployment insurance, that they can only receive it for a couple of month then they are not recorded in the statistic of not employed americans even if they has not found a job. They become invisible. And so now, we has eight people that are sharing an eight hour shift and a fake report about the unemployment rate has drop even though the invisible or the unmentionables ones that are unemployed has increased.
Obama hasn't done any of those things. That's just republicans whining about how much better things are now than they were when Obama first took office. Granted, things can and should get better, but eight people are NOT sharing a single shift (or even two people for that matter). Rules for counting unemployment haven't changed.
And if don't like the official U3 unemployment figure, feel free to use U6 unemployment, as that factors in discouraged workers, marginally attached workers, and those workers who are forced to work part-time for economic reasons. U6 is back to normal compared to historical values:

The problem is low wages. We MUST increase minimum wage for things to really get better.
and that is a No-No.. That is what hillary is trying to do. Do you know why the gas prices were raise eventhough the oil prices are low? A lot of people were laid off when the price of oil went down because there were a lot of people that received raises but the oil companies couldn't afford to pay them the salary in order to stay in competition with other companies. Once you raises up the wages, everything else will be raise as well. and it will have to stay there eventhough if the economy flops. then it will be a lot of people out of work while fuel prices are high. Cost of living all must go down and remove some of these unnecessary government jobs. We cannot afford to pay school teachers at the moment, but what makes you think that we will be able to afford them when the wages are increased. Do you believe that a school teacher the is a profession would like to work for minimum wage? Like I said that corporation want the wages to go up so that they can start putting something out on the market that people has enough money to afford and they can make a profit from it as well. Pretty soon they will make a meat crisis that the price of meat will go up and then have us to believe that they has an cheaper version to put onto the market. But at this moment, that cheaper version is expensive to put onto the market. It is a lot of money to produce gmo's but by them making these crisis by raising inflation, then it will be cheaper, that we need them to save the day. Why is organic food products are cheaper in third world countries but expensive here?
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: Douglas Howard] 1
#23437864 - 07/13/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The problem is low wages. We MUST increase minimum wage for things to really get better.
and that is a No-No..
It's working out well in the places that implemented higher minimum wages. Oil workers weren't making minimum wage by the way; they got big wages to attract them to undesirable locations like North Dakota. The low oil prices were the result of over supply.
Giving people more money to spend certainly won't hurt the economy. Again, just look at all the places that have already implemented higher minimum wages.
I look at what works in practice rather than what some people theorize.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#23437913 - 07/13/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: You must be a delicate 'lil flower if that insulted you.
More insults from the self proclaimed adult in the room. 
I don't think anyone's hurt. Just pointing out that you're the child in the discussion.
Coming from a child that doesn't count for much. You and just about everyone else in this forum does the same.
Sound familiar?...
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They call him hostileuniverse.
which was in response to "What do they call someone who pretend like he's ignorant about what people have discussed?"
Come back and play again when you aren't doing the same.
you're not wrong, I think falcon could work on that, I think I could do better as well.
But, let's not deflect to others and take responsibility for ourselves.
Past that, can you provide a basis for your dislike of direct democracy w/o insulting others or are you not concerned with conversation and more so here just blurting your feelings out at people?
I have a feeling that you can't separate the insults from your beliefs on this one, which really devalues your opinions here.
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: airclay]
#23437956 - 07/13/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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can you provide a basis for your dislike of direct democracy
Go back and read.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The problem is low wages. We MUST increase minimum wage for things to really get better.
and that is a No-No..
It's working out well in the places that implemented higher minimum wages. Oil workers weren't making minimum wage by the way; they got big wages to attract them to undesirable locations like North Dakota. The low oil prices were the result of over supply.
Giving people more money to spend certainly won't hurt the economy. Again, just look at all the places that have already implemented higher minimum wages.
I look at what works in practice rather than what some people theorize.
Iran Nuclear Deal Equals Lower Oil Prices http://www.wallstreetdaily.com/2015/07/17/iran-nuclear-deal-oil-prices/
http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/25/investing/oil-iran/index.html
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Did-The-Saudis-And-The-US-Collude-In-Dropping-Oil-Prices.html
Here's someone else opinion why. But the reason is that the laborers are getting more while the price of the product going down. Let's say that I am an store owner that sell split pea soup at $5 a bowl. But I pays my employees $15 an hour. But the price of peas has dropped down to the lowest that it ever had been before. And now my competitors are selling their pea soup for $1 a bowl. And now that means that I am going to have to down size because I cannot pay all my employees top wage anymore. Useless they all agree to take a pay cut. But the cost of living remains the same. And so I have to tell the peas company to raise the price of peas all over the world so that I can still pay my employees the same wage. Unless the cost of living drops.
Why Is Gas Price Remaining High When Oil Price Is Going Down? http://oil-price.net/en/articles/why-is-gas-price-high-when-oil-price-down.php
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23438279 - 07/13/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Just because some realize that the average citizen is uninformed, self-centered, unthoughtful and uninterested, that doesn't make one a fan of big government.
this is an insult, all personal subjective judgements and doesn't tell me anything more than how you feel about the masses. It also shows a high likelihood of non-cooperation on your part too. Surely, this isn't what you meant with go back and read is it?
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Re: America is not a Democracy anymore [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23438507 - 07/13/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I'm not agreeing, or disagreeing, however, I would like to say at least, that people would be far more involved, and informed, if we did have a direct democracy.
It would interfere with the favorite TV shows. People would remain... people.
I think people would try to be informed on issues they were voting on, but this is just a matter of opinion.
I just wanna throw it out there that... I'm a delicate little flower, also.
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