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Never a second flush!?!?
    #23434217 - 07/12/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What's up everybody. I'm just curious, why can't I ever pull a second flush. The first flush is always awesome and looks like it'll be on track. No contams, healthy fruits, strong mycelium network, etc. I even dunk my sub to rehydrate it, and still nothing. Any thoughts?

Also, I was wondering something about spent subs. Everybody buries theirs outside when it stops producing. I'm assuming it stops fruiting because it has consumed all the nutes. What if you prepared new CVG or hpoo, or what ever, crumbled the big cake in your mono, and mixed it in with the new sub, and let it go. Would the mycelium grow over the new sub mixed with old since there is new nutrients added? Putting the sub outside is hit or miss on if it'll grow. If this would work, maybe you could continue to grow indoors?


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: just_curious]
    #23434252 - 07/12/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Please tell us which grow method you are using? PF? bulk?


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: just_curious]
    #23434266 - 07/12/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno.  I like second flushes.  IME they come faster than if u dump tub and re spawn and wait for another first.  Yield won't b the same as a first flush but pulling 3-4 I think is worth it.  Other people may cycle differently for their own reasons.  Lots of good methods.  I don't really do much for it? Maybe mist a couple times. 

That second thing ur talking about is not worth trying, especially inside.  I like to compost spent subs.break em up, pile in corner outside and water and turn for a while
Add kitchen scraps to increase heat and speed at which the microbes can work.  After some time u will have this beautiful soft soil you can use for plants


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23434320 - 07/12/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Are you growing bulk or cakes? How long are you dunking? What kind of yields do you pull first flush? With bulk if your BE is less than 100% first flush, dunking or excessively long dunking before the second could well be waterlogging the sub and preventing or delaying the second flush. With cakes if you have things dialed in really good, and pull ~300% BE first flush, you might simply be exhausting the colony right off the bat (by the way that is a good thing, should aim to get everything in one flush IMO, sorry leaf).


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23434352 - 07/12/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I pulled about 4 oz off the first flush. And I'm growing bulk, not cakes. I only dunk for exactly 1 hour so as not to water log it. I'm still unsure of the BE meaning. I've seen it used around and just haven't researched it. I know, that's the wrong answer.


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: just_curious]
    #23434421 - 07/12/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

4 oz off a 66 quart mono with 5 quarts spawn and 1 brick coir, 2 quarts verm does not require a dunk. That is at best a 60% BE yeild. There is still loads of water left at that point. I would just mist heavy for the second flush. Bulk draws in water very fast and it's easy to over saturate. If I pulled 10 oz dry I would then dunk. But if you got less than 8 oz dunking is unnecessary and possibly detrimental IMO.


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23434439 - 07/12/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I agree getting everything on first (not necessarily EVERYTHING possible, but u know…the "worth" of the amount of spawn) is ideal.  I think my yields on first aren't as high as most people.  ill get 6-7, so 2nd flush helps me makeup for that.  probably why I don't need to dunk to :lol:


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23434969 - 07/12/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well my first mono (which contamed) had more dry weight on the first flush than this one did. But at the same time, this round had a nice even pin set, everything mostly matured at the same time, and yet, an oz short of my contamed mono. Maybe I'm putting too much spawn as opposed to sub? It's not getting the nutrients it needs because it's relying on half the mixture being grains? I don't have exact measurements, but I do 6 grain jars, a brick of coir, 2 quarts Verm, 1 cup of gypsum. I dump the grains in first (all 6), an then add in the CVG and mix it good, then top layer, and I end up with a decent amount of CVG left over. Could this be the issue? Not enough sub for the spawn?


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: just_curious]
    #23435107 - 07/12/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's not the problem.


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23435123 - 07/12/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok cool. Well I finally cloned so it should start going better


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Re: Never a second flush!?!? [Re: just_curious]
    #23440879 - 07/14/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So, when I posted this, I did have some pins but were very dark in appearance, and appeared like they were going to be aborts. Days went by with the pins saying the same size. Now, I have very slow growing, but very large, dark pins. Check it out. It's like they're a bunch of really chubby teens.



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