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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23436700 - 07/13/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What are the earth's best interests?



We have interests not to make the earth inhospitable to ourselves. We can "destroy" the earth in some literal sense of the term and the universe would keep on chugging along but we won't. And some of us might want to keep chugging along. :shrug:





Now you have to do battle with JSB and not me. He wants mankind removed and you want to see us continue. One of you two get back to me when you have that part resolved.


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23436716 - 07/13/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well think of the children JSB  :shakefist:


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23436725 - 07/13/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Jacko sure did. :whoa:


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23436727 - 07/13/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No us No conciousness No earth.


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: pineninja]
    #23436964 - 07/13/16 04:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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No us No conciousness No earth.




Trees and bushes can live without humans.
Humans cannot live without trees and bushes.


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: zzripz]
    #23437025 - 07/13/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If a tree falls.


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: pineninja]
    #23437457 - 07/13/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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If a tree falls.




not sure what that has to do with what I said?

If a tree falls a rabbit nearby will feel it!


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: zzripz]
    #23438126 - 07/13/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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So, do you believe that:

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30. Or do you believe that you need to unite with your fellow man, no matter the small or large differences you may have, and work together to undermine the self-serving sickos and the system they’ve purposely designed at our collective expense?





..."unite with your fellow man"...

(if)... you really believe your 'fellow' man (or men) are united? Or are capable of uniting.

you're the one who is asleep

it's easy to understand your upset with this strange world though ... but ...

then again this world is full of viruses, wolves, lions, ebola, plague, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunami, dinasour killing asteroids ... it really never was a 'just' or kind place ... and never will be, much as we may may feel it 'should' be


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: laughingdog]
    #23438160 - 07/13/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

hmmm well that to me is apathy, my friend. I know that the world is not walt disney and fluffy cushions. BUT IF there is no concerted, responsible, effort from those of us who feel and see what is happening then that is just lying down and letting it happen. What? Well they want to nuke everything for starters, and you know how unfriendly radiation is...?

There are groups that actually DO things. They SEE forests under attack they do, and their efforts help. So that is what those who feel and see must do, and not get lost in learned helplessness, and darwinian sense of it is natural what is going on

Most people do not really want war, being maimed, losing everything, and misery. This is why the insane types with our money --who are  mindcontrolled themselves--spend millions on propaganda to manipulate people to 'accept' war and send their own children to war! So what do we do? Well we learn their tricks and tell others. That is very worthwhile

wolves, lions, and earthquakes. the former are not as bad as have been made out by film etc, and Confucius he say' 'don't live too close to a potentially exploding mountain. It's only common sense'


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: zzripz]
    #23438230 - 07/13/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

more power to you
our hearts are in the same place
but you are obviously much younger
and so perhaps optimism reflects your better physical energy

older men like myself, (and icelander (who may have checked out))
who deal with declining powers (to put it politely)
tend to look at history such as the collapse of the Roman Empire,
and ask ourselves to what degree optimism is indeed a Disneyesk sort of fairytale.

If we look at the most visionary people: Science Fiction authors, I think we will find authors that take both views. Aldus Huxley who was a tripper, certainly took a dark view in "Brave New World". Some of Philip K. Dick's (also a drug user, (to say nothing of William Boroughs, & his works)) work also was pretty dark. So I don't think, just calling me, or the view, I talk about apathetic does it justice.


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: zzripz]
    #23438294 - 07/13/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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zzripz said:
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pineninja said:
No us No conciousness No earth.




Trees and bushes can live without humans.
Humans cannot live without trees and bushes.



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zzripz said:
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pineninja said:
If a tree falls.




not sure what that has to do with what I said?

If a tree falls a rabbit nearby will feel it!



If a tree falls and nobody is around to see it does it really fall? Pretty much goes to the fundamental issue i and i think you are talking about. My answer would be no not until we need a fire and yours is probably yes.


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: laughingdog]
    #23439945 - 07/14/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
more power to you
our hearts are in the same place
but you are obviously much younger
and so perhaps optimism reflects your better physical energy

older men like myself, (and icelander (who may have checked out))
who deal with declining powers (to put it politely)
tend to look at history such as the collapse of the Roman Empire,
and ask ourselves to what degree optimism is indeed a Disneyesk sort of fairytale.

If we look at the most visionary people: Science Fiction authors, I think we will find authors that take both views. Aldus Huxley who was a tripper, certainly took a dark view in "Brave New World". Some of Philip K. Dick's (also a drug user, (to say nothing of William Boroughs, & his works)) work also was pretty dark. So I don't think, just calling me, or the view, I talk about apathetic does it justice.





I am young in spirit, as we all are if we feel that.
What we must do is keep asking questions. This is because they been workin' on you since you was a little un. To understand this is not to be in denial. Not to be cocksure and imagine you somehow escape it. the asking of questions is the simultaneous undermining OF the propaganda. of course you cannot wave you arm and disarm these insane claats, but you are beginning to chuck off their matrix which disconnects us from the natural world, and our bodies and feelings and spirit


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: pineninja]
    #23439948 - 07/14/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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pineninja said:
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zzripz said:
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pineninja said:
No us No conciousness No earth.




Trees and bushes can live without humans.
Humans cannot live without trees and bushes.



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zzripz said:
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pineninja said:
If a tree falls.




not sure what that has to do with what I said?

If a tree falls a rabbit nearby will feel it!



If a tree falls and nobody is around to see it does it really fall? Pretty much goes to the fundamental issue i and i think you are talking about. My answer would be no not until we need a fire and yours is probably yes.




the tree knows it


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: zzripz]
    #23440315 - 07/14/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The tree is a dead bicth. If trees screamed everytime they got hurt would we cut them down still ?
Yes just to shut them up


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: tump]
    #23440670 - 07/14/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The tree is a dead bicth. If trees screamed everytime they got hurt would we cut them down still ?
Yes just to shut them up






IF you think trees and nature are dead, insentient, this to me, from what I have experienced and learned means you are deeply brainwashed to think and feel that way. I do not. I think and feel and know trees, and all nature is extraordinarily alive and intelligent


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: zzripz]
    #23441322 - 07/14/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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zzripz said:
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pineninja said:
No us No conciousness No earth.




Trees and bushes can live without humans.
Humans cannot live without trees and bushes.



Quote:

zzripz said:
Quote:

pineninja said:
If a tree falls.




not sure what that has to do with what I said?

If a tree falls a rabbit nearby will feel it!



If a tree falls and nobody is around to see it does it really fall? Pretty much goes to the fundamental issue i and i think you are talking about. My answer would be no not until we need a fire and yours is probably yes.




the tree knows it



You are the tree.


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: pineninja]
    #23442121 - 07/14/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

We are men and as men we kill trees. We live in houses made of dead trees. I'll grant you nature is alive is you grant me that its our job to murder nature and ise its corpses as our confronts.


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Re: TEST: to see how brainwashed you are: [Re: tump]
    #23442187 - 07/14/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wasn't talking to you Tump and tbh pretty glad about it too.


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