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is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe
    #23433847 - 07/12/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just curious if it would be safe to make and use extract from mushrooms brown in contaminated cakes. Many ppl say they're safe to eat though it's arguable so I'd guess yes. But I thought I'd ask. I would be using the pf tek extraction method using grain alcohol. I've gotten very good at it so technique isn't the issue.


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: KushMurderMystery]
    #23433868 - 07/12/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Just noticed it says mushrooms brown in contaminated cakes. Meant to say grown


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: KushMurderMystery]
    #23433886 - 07/12/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm just curious if it would be safe to make and use extract from mushrooms brown in contaminated cakes. Many ppl say they're safe to eat though it's arguable so I'd guess yes. But I thought I'd ask. I would be using the pf tek extraction method using grain alcohol. I've gotten very good at it so technique isn't the issue.




I am not the expert so someone who is more knowledgeable may be able to help more, but my beat guess is this not completely safe.

"contaminated" is a vague word. If these cakes are contaminated, what makes them contaminated. Is it mold, bacteria?

lets say its mold, if so, what kind of mold? and what kinds of toxins might this mold produce?

Unless we can answer these questions we cannot know for certain that this crude extraction will not include the elements that make these contaminated cakes potentially harmful.

I would throw them out unless you could purify with thin layer chromatography or something.


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23433958 - 07/12/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The particular ones at the moment are penicillin mold which from what I understand isn't toxic and doesnt affect the shrooms it doesnt touch. Generally ppl consider them safe to eat. To be honest the question was a more general question to those who know far more than the average shroomer. I'm curious as to what contaminants are okay to pass here what isn't. Etc.
Seems like extracting would make it safer and it's actually really clean. It looks like shatter but it doesn't break and I've had it come out red, blue, a really deep gold to a lighter hashy yellow, and once I used my friends shake from like 4 strains and it came out a mottled gold and purple.as said I've got a good amount of experience extracting (about 2 years of experimenting on top of making hash for 5 years)


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: KushMurderMystery]
    #23433961 - 07/12/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The other reason I say it could clean it up is that I know for a fact when you make bho it won't pull through most molds. Everclear hash which is very similar to this although significantly less processing is required for hash also will clean out most depending on the screening process you use. And even bubble hash cleans out pm


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: KushMurderMystery]
    #23434029 - 07/12/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i personally wouldnt trust it (safer than sorry). Also would a BHO method work for mushrooms? what about soaking the shrooms in a solution like a type of alcohol and evaporate it? Would that result in an extract?


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23434520 - 07/12/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's actually pretty much what the pf tek extraction is. You HAVE to use Everclear though. If you have the ability to get the 99% it's best. Though in some places you need someone who can get special medical cleaning supplies so the 95% at the liquor store is fine.
You take a large pot. Heat water at a med low temp. Only like 2 Or 3 on most stoves. Pulverize the shit out of your fungus like
You want straight dust if possible (drier the better) then throw em in a jar. Throw Everclear in with em. Put the jar into the pot you heated up. Bring the Everclear to a boil but not the water. Let the Everclear boil for about an hour. Then strain this. They say you need this fancy ass pressure screen that's like 150 on Amazon. I've gotten just as good results using a 25-50 micron screen or even coffee filters I know to be in that range.
Repeat the process 3 or 4 times with each set of shrooms.then purge off the alcohol like hash. If done correctly each .5g is roughly the equivalent of an eighth of actual shrooms. And the texture is gooey but not? I usually put it in capsules to avoid tasting but you can honestly just swallow a little ball of it like a pill.
As described by myself and all my friends. The experience I was intense as eating the equivalent amount of fungus. But vastly different. Its much gentler on the come up. You don't get sick at all and no hangover. It basically eliminates all the iffy or bad side effects of fungus allowing you to fully enjoy every bit to a new level
I could start a thread on how to make this with pics if youd like. It'll be a month or two before I run another batch though


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: KushMurderMystery]
    #23434532 - 07/12/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You have to be very patient straining if you just use a screen though. It can take an Hour or 3 dependin on how much weight you use initially. I find 14-21g to be a good batch size. If you wanna run more use multiple jars.if less. Just make sure to use at least like 10g


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: KushMurderMystery]
    #23434551 - 07/12/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The particular ones at the moment are penicillin mold which from what I understand isn't toxic and doesnt affect the shrooms it doesnt touch. Generally ppl consider them safe to eat. To be honest the question was a more general question to those who know far more than the average shroomer. I'm curious as to what contaminants are okay to pass here what isn't. Etc.
Seems like extracting would make it safer and it's actually really clean. It looks like shatter but it doesn't break and I've had it come out red, blue, a really deep gold to a lighter hashy yellow, and once I used my friends shake from like 4 strains and it came out a mottled gold and purple.as said I've got a good amount of experience extracting (about 2 years of experimenting on top of making hash for 5 years)



just make sure nobody eating them is allergic to penicillin then.


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23434611 - 07/12/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That seems fair enough.
Although it's fairly agreed upon by experts that if penicillin mold isn't touching the fruit that particular fruits fine. Mushroom roots are quite different from other plant roots. The mycelium network isn't so easily penetrated all the way through.
I've done quite a bit of research on it. Just haven't found anyone specifically talking about this. I'm really just curious if anyone has any actual knowledge on it. I already know what the opinions/guesses would be as I've read every available forum online about eating contaminated fruit


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Re: is making extract from shrooms grown in contaminated substrate safe [Re: KushMurderMystery]
    #23434895 - 07/12/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That seems fair enough.
Although it's fairly agreed upon by experts that if penicillin mold isn't touching the fruit that particular fruits fine. Mushroom roots are quite different from other plant roots. The mycelium network isn't so easily penetrated all the way through.
I've done quite a bit of research on it. Just haven't found anyone specifically talking about this. I'm really just curious if anyone has any actual knowledge on it. I already know what the opinions/guesses would be as I've read every available forum online about eating contaminated fruit




If it is penicillin mold then I am almost completely sure things will be fine, have fun!


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