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Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs?
    #23433695 - 07/11/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

hey guys,

a few days ago i picked these mushrooms in this environment in Victoria, Australia.

I cut them up pretty roughly and attempted to make a tea with them (used all but 4 - the ones I did use bruised dark). After, I split it between me and 2 other friends. I feel as if they didn't do anything for us. I noticed the TV screen we were watching was kind of distorted around the sides but Im not sure if that was just placebo. Anyways, since then I have been quite paranoid if I ate a poisonous mushroom. I felt quite worried and I believe that caused light nausea in me for the 2 days following taking them. I have done some research and apparently Cortinarius orellanus looks quite similar to psilocybe subaeruginosa and now I am paranoid that I may have accidently consumed those.

Perhaps I didn't take enough, or my tea was shite, but I have this paranoid thought in the back of my head that I ate Cortinarius orellanus or some other poisonous mushroom with delayed effects. Can anybody confirm that I consumed subs and put my mind at ease? And do Cortinarius orellanus even grow in Australia, I haven't been able to find a yes or no answer online. And are there any more mushrooms similar to subs that cause delayed effects (that grow in Australia)?

Sorry for all this text, Im just quite worried...


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: cyan1]
    #23433697 - 07/11/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They are subs buddy. Next time maybe do a request before consumption.:wonka:


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: pineninja]
    #23433887 - 07/12/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They're all subs. If you had waited for them to grow a bit, you and your friend would have tripped balls!


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: Matai]
    #23433969 - 07/12/16 03:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Give me those little subs any day. With enough of them they can be really potent. When they get bigger most of their mass is water so the activity isn't as concentrated.

Nice looking P.subaeruginosa:cool:


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: Heyowana]
    #23433986 - 07/12/16 03:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I would argue or at least posit that the water content relative to the size would not change all that much.:shrug: furthermore i have found the strength of large subs very comparable when dry and weighed the same as small. But its all subjective and i know you're :peak:atm.:rockon:


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: pineninja]
    #23434075 - 07/12/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No seriously ask anyone who has picked them for a while. The optimum time to pick any Psilocybe species is when the cap is opening up. After that especially with wood lovers they keep growing and getting more watery. No subjectivity in it at all. Objectively keeping the purpose in mind of WHY pick them in the first place. It is a no brainer I'm afraid.:wink:


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: Heyowana]
    #23434110 - 07/12/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have picked them for quite awhile and have tested the potency of different sizes and individual phenotypes and personally find dry gram for dry gram very little difference.
The water content of each individual shroom would be directly related to the physical size of it, if anything towards the end of its cycle i would expect the water content to decrease.


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: pineninja]
    #23434130 - 07/12/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ask John Allen about this regarding P.cyanescens. Then if you are thinking P.subaeruginosa is a different species to P.cyanescens I'd say that's relative.:smile:


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: cyan1] * 1
    #23434141 - 07/12/16 06:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wild mushrooms vary in potency, and there's no set amount of active chems in whatever specimens you find, it really is hit or miss.  I have had fresh nearly opened caps which looked like they would be insanely potent, do hardly a thing, and have had older specimens which were beaten to hell, with mature spores, give me powerful experiences.

But your specimens look good for subs, that's the scary thing about mushroom poisoning, it can take a minute to show up, so I understand your concern.  When in doubt, just post on shroomery before consumption, don't be to eager to have an experience that you risk your health.


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: Lucis]
    #23434157 - 07/12/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I should clarify. I am talking about subs I have very little experience with Cyans. I also agree on the wildly varying potency Fennario, and have personally found no common thread in relation to size.


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: pineninja]
    #23434190 - 07/12/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Okay I have a confession to make. The P.subaeruginosa growing here only get me really out of it if I eat the ones that are relatively young just after the caps have opened up. I have noticed the same thing with the coastal subs in Sydney except they are more potent.
The pineforest subs are always weak but I have noticed the same thing with them too.

That's just my limited experience. Other people have noticed the same thing with Psilocybe cyanescens regarding potency and age. Psilocybe subaeruginosa is in that cyanescens complex. It is a very similar mushroom that can only be differentiated through microscopy from P.cyanescens.

Taking exceptions like the old battered up specimen turning out to be potent is subjective. In a colony of mushrooms the best specimens for activity are the young ones.


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: Heyowana]
    #23434204 - 07/12/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Subjectively so it seems.


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: pineninja]
    #23434235 - 07/12/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sure opinions vary regarding this. However it's a very interesting subject.  I've had those P.subaeruginosa that grow along the creeks in Sydney with the stems just like azurescens. Even the mycelium on them could get you out of it. Anyway when they are just past pinning and the cortinarius like veil opens up they are so potent.

I stopped eating the larger ones that as well started to taste more watery. I think that's more what I mean. They get a more watery taste then weight for weight the potency goes down relative to the young ones.

Same thing where I am now. They start to get that taste and they aren't as potent. I knew tonight including three specimens that looked like little goldtops wasn't a good idea because they wouldn't be that potent. After they are dried the older specimens get a slightly earthy dirty smell to them. They are never as good as the sweet smelling young ones. There you go pineninja I have outdone myself with subjectivety.:cool:


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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: Heyowana] * 1
    #23435405 - 07/12/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Extremely paranoid. Did I consume subs? [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #23435676 - 07/12/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks everybody,

Ill be sure to get them properly ID'd next time  :cheers:


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