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Gmo weed
    #23431575 - 07/11/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Gmo weed [Re: rickpsfuckyou] * 3
    #23432174 - 07/11/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

GMO is good. I would be happy if there was genetically modified weed. The whole anti-GMO stuff is not based on science.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: nooneman]
    #23432307 - 07/11/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

the fertilizer and pesticides they use will most likely poison the consumer:thumbdown:


Edited by Konyap (07/11/16 02:50 PM)


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #23432484 - 07/11/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

GMO has nothing to do with fertilizer or pesticides.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: nooneman]
    #23432643 - 07/11/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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nooneman said:
GMO has nothing to do with fertilizer or pesticides.



Nope. But that majufacturers that employ gmo's are typically unethical shit companies.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: King Klick] * 2
    #23433776 - 07/11/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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King Klick said:
Nope. But that majufacturers that employ gmo's are typically unethical shit companies.





A lot of people say that, but it's not really based on reality.  The breeding methods companies prefer have nothing to do with their ethics.  There is nothing wrong with using modern DNA editing methods to improve crops.  A lot of the anti-gmo nonsense comes from organic food producers, unethically trying to scare consumers into buying their product over the competition.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23433799 - 07/12/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's what they want you to think. :whatyougonnado:


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: Shiithead]
    #23433834 - 07/12/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Shiithead said:
That's what they want you to think.





They want you to think that GMO's are bad, but people who think for themselves know otherwise.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: nooneman]
    #23435075 - 07/12/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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GMO is good. I would be happy if there was genetically modified weed. The whole anti-GMO stuff is not based on science.



THANK YOU!!!!
Livestock, crops, and many many breeds of pets are GMOs. They've been bred for certain characteristics. It's why crops, livestock for meat, and milk cattle are able to yield the amounts they do in their lifespans. People have been cross breeding for years without dire consequences and we don't have millions of people with arms growing out of their fucking heads. Genetic modification is genetic modification and anybody who tries to convince others that fish genes are being spliced into tomatoes is a fucking numbnuts.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #23435119 - 07/12/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There are a lot of reasons that people are against GMO's.  Very few of them are about GMO's themselves.  Some people are against pesticides, others against corporations, others have a fear of the unknown.  It is important to separate the issues in order to think rationally about GMO foods.

I've spoken with many anti-GMO folks, and while they are all very good people who have their heart in the right place, they rarely understand much about the science behind gene splicing.

The truth is that GMO's are a promising tool, and like any tool they can do either good or bad things, depending on how they are used.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23435689 - 07/12/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i agree they are good and bad depending on who makes them and for what reason they are made.

From what i remember reading a long time ago, lots of nutrition can be lost in GMO crops in favor of something like bigger yeilds (quantity over quality)
or in another case; a plant is modified to not make new seeds, so new seeds must be bought from the same company every time.
In some places, lives depend on that crop, and farmers are kept in debt because they have to buy new seeds instead of using seeds they have grown.

Maybe they will make a new cannabis strain with only CBD used for medicine and not getting high.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: ellomello]
    #23436016 - 07/12/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Modifying the DNA doesn't have anything to do with flavor or nutrition unless they modify the genes which control those things - and none of the GMO's on the market do that.  Flavor has to do with which genetics they chose before they started editing the DNA, and how much it matures before it is picked.  Nutrition mostly has to do with how it is prepared.

The plants that were modified not to make viable seeds never hit the market.  Farmers don't save seed for various other reasons though.

No farmers are ever forced to purchase seeds - they are free to buy from whoever has the best seeds at the best price.

A GMO cannabis that produces no THC would be very cool.  It would be interesting to try it and separate the effects of THC from other chemicals in the plant, and would be good for a lot of medical patients.  It would be pretty easy to use CRISPR to knock out part of the pathway that makes THC, assuming that you could annotate the whole genome sequence well enough to know what to delete.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23436998 - 07/13/16 05:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Look up Critical Cure


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: nooneman]
    #23438849 - 07/13/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Konyap said:
Look up Critical Cure



Favorite strain for anxiety and inflammation.

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nooneman said:
GMO is good. I would be happy if there was genetically modified weed. The whole anti-GMO stuff is not based on science.




First reply; best reply. Gene editing is merely a mysterious(to most folks) tool, people are afraid of what they don't understand, they look for articles that affirm their fear. As with any tool, it can be used for good or bad, most people don't know about the good stuff like drought-resistant crops that have saved millions of lives in Africa.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: hampiri]
    #23448870 - 07/17/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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hampiri said:
...most people don't know about the good stuff like drought-resistant crops that have saved millions of lives in Africa.




There's really no food crop, over an entire continent, adapted to local conditions? That wouldn't require subsidies and royalties?

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nooneman said:
GMO has nothing to do with fertilizer or pesticides.




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Dow AgroSciences's Enlist Duo is a delectable combination of Monsanto's Roundup and Dow's "Agent Orange" 2,4-D. This killer combo is engineered so that GMO corn and soy crops can withstand much more massive, toxic doses of herbicide.

http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25946



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It should also be noted that as bacteria use lateral transference of genetic material, making it a possibility for this genetic material to become part of the human body's bacterial bouquet that we depend on for our health (our bodies contain more bacteria cells than human ones by number).

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-study-proves-bt-toxins-gmos-toxic-mammalian-blood




Problems were already being reported, in such mainstream publications as Scientific American (sold in Walmarts) even while the first fields were still being planted, for lab rats.

Pollen later blew into neighboring crops. Following surreptitious testing, farmers were prosecuted for stealing intellectual property.

And, in India, seed savers notoriously committed suicide, when 'terminator seeds,' quit working after one generation, or simply resulted in 100% crop failures, on the very first try.

Farm shows, and the farm channel, and courses on farming, are usually giant, expensive commercials, for these products. So, saying that they exist is hardly a conspiracy theory. :facepalm:

My problem is not being so simple, that I just did not understand how it works...

I mean, this has resulted in absolute dependence, on big business, and tended to destroy honest competition -- literally killing it.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: durian_2008]
    #23449041 - 07/17/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not opposed to 'GMO' weed.

I am opposed to corporations like Monsanto playing with the genetics of the plants the way they do.

I am also opposed to 'genetically engineered' weed but 'genetically modified' is, to my understanding, not an issue.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: durian_2008]
    #23451376 - 07/17/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sure, there are plenty of ethical issues, I won't deny that. Most people on the anti-GMO bandwagon aren't there because of ethical reasons; they are there because they think it's the modern equivalent of black magic. As a whole, there have been very nasty problems caused by corporations like Monsanto. Monsanto has greatly abused small farmers and such. However, how a company treats it's supply chain and consumers changes with time, as board members die and litigation happens, usually a more holistic(I mean this in the "big picture" way not the crazy Dr. Oz way) point of view emerges victorious, eventually. Such as with Nestle, they have become less horrifically immoral in recent years. Making a genome intellectual property is another issue that bugs me but changing that would require patent law reform. I hope eventually open-source type genetic manipulation will emerge and hopefully make things a bit better as far as breaking up some monopolies. I'm ready for some ergot that will make some (+)-LSD in the fermenter, and ways to test pharmaceuticals without having to pay $1000 for each tube of patented recombinant receptor for FLIPR work.

I'll stick with my original statement... Just a tool; no more evil or good than a pipe wrench.

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Re: Gmo weed [Re: hampiri]
    #23451923 - 07/18/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ummmm Nestle has been trying to buy out the water supply for years and spent like $500 on 2 million (or however much) gallons of water in California to bottle and sell. Within the last 10 years.

They've just changed soooooo much huh?

And when the hell did Monsanto become good. Who died and made them a saint corporation all of a sudden?


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: hampiri]
    #23455464 - 07/19/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Such as with Nestle, they have become less horrifically immoral in recent years.




Having lived in a place, where they capped-off a stream, for resale to foreign countries, I don't believe that their Oompa Loompas are treated as well as Willie Wonka's.

http://www.all.org/pepsico-kraft-and-nestle-connected-to-taste-research-using-fetal-cells-from-electively-aborted-babies/

Respectfully, wherever the pipe wrench is a business concern, you should expect it to be used for the maximum amount of profit.

If the research is intended as a hobby, it should be funded and performed, in private, in the spirit of textile mills, which were once plagiarized.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23457970 - 07/19/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Kush_Zombie said:
Ummmm Nestle has been trying to buy out the water supply for years and spent like $500 on 2 million (or however much) gallons of water in California to bottle and sell. Within the last 10 years.

They've just changed soooooo much huh?




Hadn't heard about that... not my country and such.

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And when the hell did Monsanto become good. Who died and made them a saint corporation all of a sudden?



No one said that.


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Re: Gmo weed [Re: hampiri]
    #23459631 - 07/20/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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hampiri said:
Monsanto has greatly abused small farmers and such. However, how a company treats it's supply chain and consumers changes with time, as board members die and litigation happens, usually a more holistic(I mean this in the "big picture" way not the crazy Dr. Oz way) point of view emerges victorious, eventually.




It was implied.


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
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