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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Plain]
#23434128 - 07/12/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude. OP. I know OP says that the chart is damning of BLM but it's actually damning of the police and the anti-BLM crowd when you take population sizes into account.
And there was also that study I posted in the Dallas thread the other day, which I got accused of misconstruing on false pretenses. clock_of_omens for some reason thought that fatal anti-black bias on the part of the police is irrelevant to the discussion if it's not 100% psychologically held by the individual police who enact it, and you immediately joined the dogpile without bothering to question if the objection made any fucking sense in the first place.
The anti-BLM folks on this site are A VERY NOISY AND AGGRESSIVE MINORITY. 
But because I'm so nice, here it is again.
A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias in Police Shootings at the County-Level in the United States, 2011–2014 (PLOS)
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Sophistic Radiance said: Blacks are about 10% of the population, I think? Take that into consideration when you look at that chart. The rate at which they are killed by police is massively disproportionate to their population size.
That blacks are only 13% of the population has no bearing on what percentage of blacks are killed. It's what they did (or were doing) that matters.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23434149 - 07/12/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: and then I stumbled upon this

which leads me to ask, is canada really so bad that they need a BLM movement?
can someone push to prosecute this bitch under the hate speech laws?
So was she able to make it through the day without cussing and killing the white folk?
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The people in that thread told you that wasnt the full article just a portion of it, is that true?
What do you have to say about the higher crime rate in the black communities? Im not talking drug crimes im talking murder, and robbery, and such.
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Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides. In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/
I understand that is because of the oppression put on black people by rich white people, but why cant we fix this issue AS WELL AS the police issue?
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Niffla]
#23434153 - 07/12/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm guessing the post was facetious.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Plain]
#23434163 - 07/12/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plain said: The people in that thread told you that wasnt the full article just a portion of it, is that true?
What do you have to say about the higher crime rate in the black communities? Im not talking drug crimes im talking murder, and robbery, and such.
I'm saying it's the duty of our police to take that in stride and to treat black people fairly, in spite of whatever risks it could be said to entail.
Personally, I think that people would be better and kinder to each other if they didn't read demographic studies at all. You can't make predictions about how people will behave in real life from demographic studies, and when people try, we get this sort of mess where black people are literally being killed by the police just because they are black.
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I understand that is because of the oppression put on black people by rich white people, but why cant we fix this issue AS WELL AS the police issue?
The oppression of black communities by the police is the biggest part of the police issue. Like I said earlier, resolving it would end the drug war. All of these issues are intertwined, you shouldn't opt out of BLM just because you're not black or because their slogan doesn't make you feel special. The police state is a problem for all of us and we have to work together as equals if we want to fix it.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Niffla] 1
#23434168 - 07/12/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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J/K Sophie, love ya
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#23434176 - 07/12/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: and then I stumbled upon this

which leads me to ask, is canada really so bad that they need a BLM movement?
can someone push to prosecute this bitch under the hate speech laws?
This is the same person I believe:
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Plain said: The people in that thread told you that wasnt the full article just a portion of it, is that true?
What do you have to say about the higher crime rate in the black communities? Im not talking drug crimes im talking murder, and robbery, and such.
I'm saying it's the duty of our police to take that in stride and to treat black people fairly, in spite of whatever risks it could be said to entail. I think that most people would be better and kinder to each other if they didn't read demographic studies at all. You can't make predictions about how people will behave in real life from demographic studies, and when people try, we get this sort of mess where black people are literally being killed just because they are black.
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I understand that is because of the oppression put on black people by rich white people, but why cant we fix this issue AS WELL AS the police issue?
The oppression of black communities by the police is the biggest part of the police issue. Like I said earlier, resolving that would end the drug war. All of these issues are intertwined, you shouldn't opt out of BLM just because you're not black or because their slogan doesn't make you feel special.
I hear you man im actually glad we had this back and forth i have gotten a better understanding on your view i used to see you as blinded by emotion and that you just jump on black peoples side without thinking about how sometimes cops do have to shoot someone and that person can happen to be black.
But i see you are just trying to bring attention to a unjust issue that has been a part of our history for some time now and address how its to easy for cops to get away with wrong doings because they write the reports at the end of the day so what they say is what happened on paper when it didnt happen that way irl.
Be sure to remember police are people like you and me too. (Lets hope not to much like you and me) they can make mistakes and lets keep in mind please not all cops are bad.
But im with ya we need reform.
Also real quick i dont affiliate with any movement no matter what it is, im an independent thinker.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: psi] 1
#23434197 - 07/12/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Another prominent member of BLM Toronto is being sued for scamming a couple hundred thousand dollars from her former employer, the University of Toronto student union:
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/07/black-lives-matter-member-sued-for-severance-deal
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: psi] 2
#23434198 - 07/12/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is the same person I believe:

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Plain]
#23434250 - 07/12/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That chick is hilarious, and dumb as a brick.
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Plain said: 5. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to MacDonald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person.
Despite the facts, the anti-police rhetoric of Black Lives Matter and their leftist sympathizers have resulted in what MacDonald calls the "Ferguson Effect," as murders have spiked by 17 percent among the 50 biggest cities in the U.S. as a result of cops being more reluctant to police neighborhoods out of fear of being labeled as racists. Additionally, there have been over twice as many cops victimized by fatal shootings in the first three months of 2016.
Anti-police rhetoric has deadly consequences.
Where is this from? Source for those stats?
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Sophistic Radiance said: So you think demographic studies make it more justified to kill members of a certain group of people, regardless to anything they actually do and regardless to whether they pose an actual threat to police or the public.
I'm not going to sugarcoat this for you. That shit's racist, dude. You seem like a nice person but the views you are defending are racist as fuck.
racist racist racist
deal with it.
I'm sorry, so is the BLM movement... know why? because all of it is about race and again... skirts away from the real issue. people being executed. I've see videos of white teenagers dying being tased and shot (albeit they were being stupid too) but none of that really gets any media attention.
Race is not the issue here, violence and the police are.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Repertoire89]
#23434378 - 07/12/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That chick is hilarious, and dumb as a brick.
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Plain said: 5. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to MacDonald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person.
Despite the facts, the anti-police rhetoric of Black Lives Matter and their leftist sympathizers have resulted in what MacDonald calls the "Ferguson Effect," as murders have spiked by 17 percent among the 50 biggest cities in the U.S. as a result of cops being more reluctant to police neighborhoods out of fear of being labeled as racists. Additionally, there have been over twice as many cops victimized by fatal shootings in the first three months of 2016.
Anti-police rhetoric has deadly consequences.
Where is this from? Source for those stats?
I have posted them in the dallas thread twice already but i am more than happy to share them with you too my good sir
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
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Plain said: The people in that thread told you that wasnt the full article just a portion of it, is that true?
What do you have to say about the higher crime rate in the black communities? Im not talking drug crimes im talking murder, and robbery, and such.
I'm saying it's the duty of our police to take that in stride and to treat black people fairly, in spite of whatever risks it could be said to entail.
Personally, I think that people would be better and kinder to each other if they didn't read demographic studies at all. You can't make predictions about how people will behave in real life from demographic studies, and when people try, we get this sort of mess where black people are literally being killed by the police just because they are black.
There are different ways of framing those trends and statistics though. If police use of force was entirely "fair" from a perspective of race, then response in a particular case should be based entirely on the suspect's actions, and not at all on their ethnic background. Even if this were achieved though, there would still be no reason to expect that casualties of police force by ethnic background would then become neatly proportional to population makeup, unless the occurrence of behaviors that lead to justifiable use of police force was also evenly distributed across those different groups. As a result, even "fair" policing might appear to be racist if you just looked at casualties relative to proportion of the population with the expectation that they all be even (i.e ignoring differences in suspect behavior during these encounters with police).
On the other hand, a truly racist police response would be to say "this person is of group X and statistics/my experience suggest to me that members of this group are simply predisposed to behave in a certain way, therefore I expect this individual person to behave in such a way and will adjust my use of force according to that."
In reality, it's probably a mix of both approaches, but ignoring some of the facts might lead one to interpret actual fair policing as racist.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Plain]
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I have posted them in the dallas thread twice already but i am more than happy to share them with you too my good sir
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
Yeah, I fell behind on the Dallas thread 
Thanks for the link
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Repertoire89]
#23434412 - 07/12/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plain said: The people in that thread told you that wasnt the full article just a portion of it, is that true?
What do you have to say about the higher crime rate in the black communities? Im not talking drug crimes im talking murder, and robbery, and such.
I'm saying it's the duty of our police to take that in stride and to treat black people fairly, in spite of whatever risks it could be said to entail.
Personally, I think that people would be better and kinder to each other if they didn't read demographic studies at all. You can't make predictions about how people will behave in real life from demographic studies, and when people try, we get this sort of mess where black people are literally being killed by the police just because they are black.
There are different ways of framing those trends and statistics though. If police use of force was entirely "fair" from a perspective of race, then response in a particular case should be based entirely on the suspect's actions, and not at all on their ethnic background. Even if this were achieved though, there would still be no reason to expect that casualties of police force by ethnic background would then become neatly proportional to population makeup, unless the occurrence of behaviors that lead to justifiable use of police force was also evenly distributed across those different groups. As a result, even "fair" policing might appear to be racist if you just looked at casualties relative to proportion of the population with the expectation that they all be even (i.e ignoring differences in suspect behavior during these encounters with police).
On the other hand, a truly racist police response would be to say "this person is of group X and statistics/my experience suggest to me that members of this group are simply predisposed to behave in a certain way, therefore I expect this individual person to behave in such a way and will adjust my use of force according to that."
In reality, it's probably a mix of both approaches, but ignoring some of the facts might lead one to interpret actual fair policing as racist.
Great wording, excellent point!
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I have posted them in the dallas thread twice already but i am more than happy to share them with you too my good sir
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
Yeah, I fell behind on the Dallas thread 
Thanks for the link
Youre welcome sharing information and gathering information is one of my favorite ways to pass time, which is why i love this site so much
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404 said: If these statistics are true:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/breakdown-us-citizens-killed-cops-2016

The original source is The Washington Post... Can anyone speak for the validity of these statistics?
Blacks are about 10% of the population, I think? Take that into consideration when you look at that chart. The rate at which they are killed by police is massively disproportionate to their population size.
What most strikes me as odd about that chart is how rarely Latinos are killed by police, considering what a large demographic they are. Whites seem to be killed slightly less often than would be predicted from their numbers alone, but Latinos much less so. AFAIK there are definitely way more Latinos in America than blacks.
Also, did you notice Asians aren't even on the chart? 
it is disproportionate especially when you consider that it's blacks committing a disproportionate amount of crime, they arent targeted because of the color of their skin, the police go after those committing crmes regardless of skin color, there just happens to be more blacks committing crimes than whites based on their share in the racial make up
stop trying to spin this lie because whites are still killed at twice the rate that blacks are meaning that even though blacks are responsible for more of the crime and thus will have more encounters with the police, whites are still killed twice as often. maybe hispanics are less likely to do the stupid shit whites and blacks do when they have encounter with police which could explain why fewer of them end up dead in these encounters
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Sophistic Radiance said: I'm saying it's the duty of our police to take that in stride and to treat black people fairly, in spite of whatever risks it could be said to entail.
twice as many whites are shot in relation to the number of criminal encounters with the police than blacks, what you're proposing is in fact more racism, blacks are 13% of the population but responsible for more than 50% of the crime in the US and they're killed at half the rate that whites but you think that they needed to be treated even better?
so in reality what you're saying is that you're a racist progressive that believes we need to let the violent criminals go as long as they're black
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The oppression of black communities by the police is the biggest part of the police issue. Like I said earlier, resolving it would end the drug war. All of these issues are intertwined, you shouldn't opt out of BLM just because you're not black or because their slogan doesn't make you feel special. The police state is a problem for all of us and we have to work together as equals if we want to fix it.
more bullshit and lies
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