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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23466398 - 07/22/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If youre gonna attach article writers and what many liberals think to my own opinions, i hope you wont mind me dismissing you as a racist trump supporter.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466406 - 07/22/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Youre ignoring the fact that if police patrolled whites just as vigorously, white arrests would go up.
And like I said, poverty leads to crime. Blacks are disproportionately poorer than whites, so yes, it stands to reasom they commit more crimes as a whole. Where it gets moronic is when people, like qman, either implicitly or explicitly, claim that blacks are more prone to crime BECAUSE theyre black.
You do realize that in total numbers there are more poor white people than black people? Overall the black population under the poverty level has less money, but they also have less numbers than whites in poverty. You do realize that the majority of black people AREN'T under the poverty level right? Or do you just assume someone who is black is also poor?
Can you tell me why East St Louis has such high murder and rape rates? Do people rape and kill because they are poor or because they accept a culture that glorifies violence?
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The Ecstatic said: Legalize all drugs. The majority of the disparity between black and white criminality is in relation to nonviolent drug offense (think Rockefeller laws).
Of course, the entire reason behind the beginnings of the drug war in the first place were racially motivated. Regardless, we get rid of drug laws, and that solves a big heap of the problem right there.
If you take out the drug arrests, there is still staggeringly disproportionate arrests for violent crimes, robbery, rape, and murders in the black community. I know black people who think its a game to go home from the bar with white women, sleep with them, and then rob them when they are asleep.
However, if one considers the people running evil corporations and bankers, it shows that white people have committed greater crimes against humanity and the environment. But that is a totally different discussion.
Everything the sun shines on casts a shadow, no doubt.
It certainly is a problem when police who use excessive force don't get penalized. The militarization of police affects all people.
Thomas Sowell is an intelligent man. Ignorant black people call men like him a coon and uncle tom and that is why they continue to self-destruct.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23466412 - 07/22/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this shit acceptable behavior?
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466413 - 07/22/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: If youre gonna attach article writers and what many liberals think to my own opinions, i hope you wont mind me dismissing you as a racist trump supporter.
Fucking . I'd say good show, but you really didn't do very well.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23466418 - 07/22/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You cry about racism accusation and then you lay a bunch of positions at me my feet that i dont actually have, then attack me over them.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#23466421 - 07/22/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didnt say that. "Well, many liberals did!"
What about drug arrest disparity? "Just legalize drugs!"
Sidesteo every single valid point I make and instead lambast me for opinions i dont have.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23466447 - 07/22/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said:
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The Ecstatic said: Youre ignoring the fact that if police patrolled whites just as vigorously, white arrests would go up.
And like I said, poverty leads to crime. Blacks are disproportionately poorer than whites, so yes, it stands to reasom they commit more crimes as a whole. Where it gets moronic is when people, like qman, either implicitly or explicitly, claim that blacks are more prone to crime BECAUSE theyre black.
You do realize that in total numbers there are more poor white people than black people? Overall the black population under the poverty level has less money, but they also have less numbers than whites in poverty. You do realize that the majority of black people AREN'T under the poverty level right? Or do you just assume someone who is black is also poor?
Can you tell me why East St Louis has such high murder and rape rates? Do people rape and kill because they are poor or because they accept a culture that glorifies violence?
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The Ecstatic said: Legalize all drugs. The majority of the disparity between black and white criminality is in relation to nonviolent drug offense (think Rockefeller laws).
Of course, the entire reason behind the beginnings of the drug war in the first place were racially motivated. Regardless, we get rid of drug laws, and that solves a big heap of the problem right there.
If you take out the drug arrests, there is still staggeringly disproportionate arrests for violent crimes, robbery, rape, and murders in the black community. I know black people who think its a game to go home from the bar with white women, sleep with them, and then rob them when they are asleep.
However, if one considers the people running evil corporations and bankers, it shows that white people have committed greater crimes against humanity and the environment. But that is a totally different discussion.
Everything the sun shines on casts a shadow, no doubt.
It certainly is a problem when police who use excessive force don't get penalized. The militarization of police affects all people.
Thomas Sowell is an intelligent man. Ignorant black people call men like him a coon and uncle tom and that is why they continue to self-destruct.
Some good points here.
First, i think we're discussing this on per capita terms as far as total poor people go. Not all black people are poor, but the average black person is much poorer than the average white, thats a simple fact.
Second, I dont see how its a different discussion. I think most people would admit Goldman is a bigger crook than the guy robbing gas stations. That, though, isnt a race issue, imo, its a class issue.
And finally, id say the militarization of police also disproportionately affects blacks. Blacks tend to be poorer than whites, live in poor neighborhoods, poverty breeds crime, police patrol poor crime stricken neighborhoods, more blacks in the crosshairs. Deduction.
BLM didnt just crop up for no reason.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23466467 - 07/22/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: You cry about racism accusation and then you lay a bunch of positions at me my feet that i dont actually have, then attack me over them.
I neither cried about racism accusations nor laid positions at your feet.
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The Ecstatic said: I didnt say that. "Well, many liberals did!"
Yeah, and? Many liberals do say the things I said they did. That doesn't mean I'm then claiming you said those things. You did however imply that I was implicitly stating that blacks commit more crimes because of inherent features.
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What about drug arrest disparity? "Just legalize drugs!"
Sidesteo every single valid point I make and instead lambast me for opinions i dont have.
That's a mischaracterization of how that exchange happened. You brought up drug arrest disparities as if it was relevant. I explained that drug arrests are a byproduct of extra policing due to violent crime rate disparities and not evidence of police picking on black people for no reason. I just offered legalizing drugs as a helpful solution to the problem.
I didn't sidestep any point you made, I addressed every single one. You on the other hand ignored many points I made in response to those points. You ignoring my responses doesn't make them go away.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23466490 - 07/22/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want to have an argument with many liberals go seek them out.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23466500 - 07/22/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said:
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The Ecstatic said: The majority of the disparity between black and white criminality is in relation to nonviolent drug offense (think Rockefeller laws).
No it isnt
Politicians can be quoted. Nixons war on drugs true purpose was to target blacks and hippies. A policy reflected in sentencing disparities.
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About 14 million Whites and 2.6 million African Americans report using an illicit drug 5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense. African Americans serve virtually as much time in prison for a drug offense (58.7 months) as whites do for a violent offense (61.7 months). (Sentencing Project)
Thats a racist bias thats plainly obvious and it does have an impact on arrest rates. A signifigant impact. Its not that theyre thugs. Its because theres a pervasive racist element in both the whitehouse and legal system.
http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
http://www.innocenceproject.org/what-wrongful-convictions-teach-us-about-racial-inequality/
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/22/11278760/war-on-drugs-racism-nixon
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466506 - 07/22/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: If you want to have an argument with many liberals go seek them out.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23466510 - 07/22/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's totally irrelevant to the reply you quoted.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23466511 - 07/22/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Many conservatives are fucking idiots.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466516 - 07/22/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very true.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23466537 - 07/22/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: That's totally irrelevant to the reply you quoted.
Its directly related to what you qouted. The disparity is right there. You seem to like calling blacks thugs. The problem is the racist legal system and blacklivesmatter has legitimate grievances against it.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466556 - 07/22/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: A white suburban drug dealer has everything going for him: no police patrolling his neighborhood, no violent rivals, typically no violent customers, the benefit of the doubt of the court system, and a rich family who can get a lawyer to guarantee that benefit of a doubt.
This right here has nothing to do with culture. It has to do with privilege. And i think its indisputable this plays a role in arrest and prosecution rates, and the numbers corrorobate that thought.
None of those things are different for a black suburban kid except perhaps benefit of doubt of the court.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23466561 - 07/22/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Its directly related to what you qouted. The disparity is right there. You seem to like calling blacks thugs. The problem is the racist legal system and blacklivesmatter has legitimate grievances against it.
If you could read, you would see that TE claimed that "The majority of the disparity between black and white criminality is in relation to nonviolent drug offense" and I replied "No it isn't." I didn't say anything about whether or not there is in fact a disparity in drug arrest rates, I said that it is not the case that that disparity accounts for the majority of the disparity between black and white criminality. Hence your post was irrelevant to what I was saying.
I didn't call blacks thugs. Lol, you're ridiculous.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466562 - 07/22/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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But see the thing is equal opportunities does not mean equal outcomes, and to say it is racism that makes it so blacks have a lower amount of money is disingenuous.
However, the government benefits certainly are an attack on those in poverty. But since there are more whites in poverty it is hard to say it is racist against blacks. It actually is another example of systemic racism against whites (but I consider it a class warfare more than skin color).
Especially when you have people with no home spending $120 on shoes (personal example of someone I know who is 30 and lives with their grandparents and just spent $120 on shoes while owing back child support). That is his own fault, not some racist system making them make poor choices. The man has had good jobs and sometimes works two jobs but he is bad with money.
The fact that the black community tells each other that the system is out to get them is probably the biggest cause of their downfall considering all the successful black people. If your friends and family tell you while you are growing up that you will never be accepted by society why would you even want to be a part of society??
I worked at a restaurant that was owned by a black man and he was super mean towards the Guatemalans he hired(talked down to them and never gave them a raise despite them being extraordinary workers) and a bit of a prick to me, but accept that as his temperament because I don't automatically assume racism just because someone of a different race is an asshole.
There very well could be subliminal programming occurring in TV and movies that is affecting the subconscious minds as well, which would perpetuate certain myths and reinforce stereotypes.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23466567 - 07/22/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive seen you call black people thugs several times during the course of this thread already. Its appalling.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466572 - 07/22/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And finally, id say the militarization of police also disproportionately affects blacks. Blacks tend to be poorer than whites, live in poor neighborhoods, poverty breeds crime, police patrol poor crime stricken neighborhoods, more blacks in the crosshairs. Deduction.
BLM didnt just crop up for no reason.
What do you think the outcome would be if police removed their presence in poorer black neighborhoods? Would the crime go down just because it isn't recorded and prosecuted?
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