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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: lowbrow] 2
#23465293 - 07/22/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: lowbrow]
#23465386 - 07/22/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Id wuss out walking through a hood? Dont be so melodramatic 
Your from Canada. You've never seen a true ghetto. The shit can look like a third world country.
I doubt you have either
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: qman]
#23465417 - 07/22/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: That doesnt invalidate anything Im saying. At this point you're someone who refuses to admit blacks are profiled and oppressed by white society in america. My arguments air tight.

I'll go with the stats showing blacks commit more crimes, but thanks.
What omniscient source do you have on that?
Maybe you mean blacks are arrested more for committing crimes, which is an entirely plausible addition to Bodhis argument.
Yeah, because their murder, rape, robbery, sexual assault, and physical assault arrests with real victims are just police profiling black people. 
Is it your contention that 100% of illegal behavior is caught, arrested, tried, and prosecuted?
If so, no wonder you continuously champion the police. They arrest EVERY criminal in your opinion.
If not, then you need to admit that not everyone who commits a crime gets caught. Most, I'd say. And since we know certain facts, like whites and blacks using marijuana at an equal ratio for example, you need to explain why blacks get arrested 5 times more for this, and tend to get prosecuted more severely.
Its comments like these that make me question whether youre actually worth trying to get through to. Ive since given up on most of these people.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23465502 - 07/22/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: That doesnt invalidate anything Im saying. At this point you're someone who refuses to admit blacks are profiled and oppressed by white society in america. My arguments air tight.

I'll go with the stats showing blacks commit more crimes, but thanks.
What omniscient source do you have on that?
Maybe you mean blacks are arrested more for committing crimes, which is an entirely plausible addition to Bodhis argument.
Yeah, because their murder, rape, robbery, sexual assault, and physical assault arrests with real victims are just police profiling black people. 
Is it your contention that 100% of illegal behavior is caught, arrested, tried, and prosecuted?
If so, no wonder you continuously champion the police. They arrest EVERY criminal in your opinion.
If not, then you need to admit that not everyone who commits a crime gets caught. Most, I'd say. And since we know certain facts, like whites and blacks using marijuana at an equal ratio for example, you need to explain why blacks get arrested 5 times more for this, and tend to get prosecuted more severely.
Its comments like these that make me question whether youre actually worth trying to get through to. Ive since given up on most of these people.
If we took into account the crimes committed by blacks not registered for arrests we would find the crime rate relative to whites even higher for that demographic, not lower.
Give it a rest on the stupid marijuana arrest rates, whites don't deal weed on the streets, it's a cultural difference not a law enforcement policy creating the disparity.
Are all the dead blacks killed by other blacks some sort of fantasy? No, it's a reality.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: koods] 1
#23465522 - 07/22/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I doubt you have either
Then you would be wrong.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: lowbrow]
#23465626 - 07/22/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Qman do you have some omniscient source from which we can derive the entirety of criminality and divide it amongst the races?
And can you prove that division is represented wholly in the arrest rates?
The answer is no to both.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23465674 - 07/22/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's called generalizing from the available data, it's done all the time. What's more likely: arrest rates are an accurate reflection of population averages in crime rates or there is a racist conspiracy to ignore white crime and go after blacks? I think it's pretty obvious.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23465790 - 07/22/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23465843 - 07/22/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: It's called generalizing from the available data, it's done all the time. What's more likely: arrest rates are an accurate reflection of population averages in crime rates or there is a racist conspiracy to ignore white crime and go after blacks? I think it's pretty obvious.
Arrest rates correlate strongly with criminality, im not arguing that. Im arguing that the correlation isnt 100%.
Theres a perception that blacks are criminals, so the police look for blacks. Its called confirmatiom bias and there doesnt need to be a nationwide conspiracy for it to exist.
Either way, poverty correlates with crime way more than race or any other factor. Its a depressing cycle.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23465955 - 07/22/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who ever said the correlation is 100%? That's obviously ridiculous.
You just agreed that arrest rates strongly correlate with crime rates. There isn't a perception that "blacks are criminals", there is a perception that blacks as a whole (actually basically only young black men) commit much more crime per capita than others, which is true and something you just agreed with by claiming arrest rates strongly correlate with crime rates. Police can go looking for blacks all day long, but if they aren't committing any crimes, they'll be just fine. It's not confirmation bias, which is only considering info that confirms beliefs while ignoring info that refutes those beliefs. What info are police ignoring that would refute the belief that blacks commit more crime per capita than others?
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23465977 - 07/22/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Youre ignoring the fact that if police patrolled whites just as vigorously, white arrests would go up.
And like I said, poverty leads to crime. Blacks are disproportionately poorer than whites, so yes, it stands to reasom they commit more crimes as a whole. Where it gets moronic is when people, like qman, either implicitly or explicitly, claim that blacks are more prone to crime BECAUSE theyre black.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23465984 - 07/22/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mass incarceration isnt even the maim issue right now though, its that blacks tend to get treated much more shittily than whites in similar criminal circumstances, and it happens at all stages of the justice system.
Driving while black, stop and frisk disparities, violent arrests, shootings, and harsher sentences. These are real phenomena, and they cant be written off as easily as some wish they could.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23466026 - 07/22/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Youre ignoring the fact that if police patrolled whites just as vigorously, white arrests would go up.
Where is your omniscient source for that claim? Also why would they do that? There is only so much police man power. It's better spent patrolling high crime neighborhoods. We all know where those are.
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Where it gets moronic is when people, like qman, either implicitly or explicitly, claim that blacks are more prone to crime BECAUSE theyre black.
I've never seen him explicitly claim that. Basically no one does. Many liberals love to read implicit claims of such into anything anyone says about black crime.
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The Ecstatic said: Mass incarceration isnt even the maim issue right now though, its that blacks tend to get treated much more shittily than whites in similar criminal circumstances, and it happens at all stages of the justice system.
Driving while black, stop and frisk disparities, violent arrests, shootings, and harsher sentences. These are real phenomena, and they cant be written off as easily as some wish they could.
So there is a racist conspiracy then? Did someone say confirmation bias?
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23466084 - 07/22/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. Whether its time better spent is irrelevant. The fact remains if im an innocent potsmoker, im much more likely to be arrested in a black neighborhood than a white one, due to police presence. Im not arguing their time could be better spent, only that it skews the perception.
2. I have seen multiple people, including qman, explicitly claim it on multiple occasions. And I could give a fuck what "many liberals" do or think as its irrelevant.
3. Conspiracy implies intent. Biases do not.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466114 - 07/22/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well the solution to that is to legalize pot. The fact also remains that if you are a murderous gangbanger, much more likely in black neighborhoods, you will also be much more likely to be arrested due to police presence. No perception skewing involved. No confirmation bias involved. We aren't missing the scores of white gangsters out there going wild by more heavily policing black neighborhoods, because there aren't scores of white gangsters.
I'll take your word for it.
So we just accidentally screw blacks over? Interesting.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23466123 - 07/22/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Legalize all drugs. The majority of the disparity between black and white criminality is in relation to nonviolent drug offense (think Rockefeller laws).
Of course, the entire reason behind the beginnings of the drug war in the first place were racially motivated. Regardless, we get rid of drug laws, and that solves a big heap of the problem right there.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: clock_of_omens] 1
#23466145 - 07/22/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And youre wrong, there are scores of white gangsters, they just arent in ghettos, and their crimes are far more heinous than selling dime bags or killing someone else whos selling dime bags (like fraudulently crashing the global economy, for instance).
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466149 - 07/22/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: And youre wrong, there are scores of white gangsters, they just arent in ghettos, and their crimes are far more heinous than selling dime bags or killing someone else whos selling dime bags (like fraudulently crashing the global economy, for instance).
Wall Street bankers are worse than killers...
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23466150 - 07/22/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont have time to elaborate as my lunch break is up, ill chime back in later but in the mean time, this article is a good rundown of what im driving at:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8078586.html
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23466152 - 07/22/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I dont have time to elaborate as my lunch break is up, ill chime back in later but in the mean time, this article is a good rundown of what im driving at:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8078586.html
Tabloids are not legitimate news sources
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