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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#23462732 - 07/21/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inaccurate. Theres a very clear disparity in prosecution rates and differences in sentencing. Police response is also altered. Theres a demonstrable difference in the legal system, and its based upon racial bias. Thats white privilege.
Theres even tapes of these cops discussing profiling "young black males".
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ordered-secret-recording-stop-and-frisk-young-blacks-males-article-1.1295665
They reacted by throwing the reporting officer in the psych ward for 6 days.
Racial segregation was a thing 60 years ago, and entire communities have been moulded by that history. You have single streets being split at the junction between white and black neighbourhoods into two names just so they wouldnt associate their address's with eachother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_Atlanta
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/reports/racial-disparity-sentencing
This is institutionalized racism based on a for profit prison system.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23462826 - 07/21/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not against profiling. Profiling is just using data to narrow a search. Of course it will be wrong sometimes. Could the sentencing disparity have to do with delete offenses? I've heard that and not looked into it
Though, sentencing should be more standardized
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 2
#23462865 - 07/21/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you are using statistics for incarceration rates and sentencing and only looking at race rather than other factors that go in to play such as prior record, community standing (does the person have a job, do they go to school, do they live off the government, do they have unpaid child support, are they in a gang, etc), and measuring districts and judges against themselves rather than different districts and judges against different districts and judges then your argument is dishonest.
One would need to look at it on a local level to see if a judge or district of judges is giving imbalanced sentencing to first time offenders.
If you take a judge who is consistently lenient on both groups of people due to lower crime rates and compare it to a judge in a different area who is harsh to both groups of people in a community that has higher crime rates then your statistics are bullshit.
If Judge A always gives out probation in an area with a lot of white people and low crime rates and you compare it to an area that has a lot of black people with high crime rates like East St Louis and you try to say the system is racist because of the disparity then you're being dishonest.
If you take the sentencing in a place like East St Louis and you see that white people are getting less sentences for first time offenses than black people despite equal standing in the community then your argument has validity.
Recidivism plays a huge factor into sentencing.
Can you point out to me a racist law that would prove systemic racism? I can point one out: Affirmative Action, except it is racist against white people.
You are accepting an oversimplified argument as being true.
Fallacy of the single cause
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23462891 - 07/21/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You would be if you were the one being profiled.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/watch-white-black-bike-thieves-treated-differently-article-1.1368401
Males and younger people are also profiled for good reason, they're more likely to be involved in criminal activity, this is called statistical commonsense.
BTW, the bike thieves staging doesn't prove anything.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23462950 - 07/21/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You lack the requisite intelligence to understand what that fallacy is. I have multiple examples of its systematic institutionalization in prior posts. The atmosphere those point to is one where racism is common and accepted by a large portion of the population.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/06/i-was-a-st-louis-cop-my-peers-were-racist-and-violent-and-theres-only-one-fix/
Heres your presidential candiate spouting complete bullshit to target blacks.

The numbers theyre claiming come from a source that doesnt exist. Not to mention that whites are overwhelmingly killed by whites, and in light of it that implication that statistic makes, its accusation becomes meaningless. Its a pointed, racist attack on the black community. From the potential president of the united states.

But that isnt a surprise because this is a habitual behaviour. Its cultural.
Theres a systematic racist element in American society that permeates everything. Even banking institutions.
Its common for schools to have invisible racial divides.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/11/02/students-accuse-yale-sae-fraternity-brothers-of-having-a-white-girls-only-policy-at-their-party/
http://www.utne.com/community/self-segregation-on-college-campuses-ze0z1504zdeh.aspx
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/former-sae-fraternity-member-apologizes-racist-chant
In light of all of this why would the statistical bias be anything but racism? Its already part of every single facet of your society.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 2
#23463004 - 07/21/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is not to say that there isn't a public perception that black people might be more prone to criminality. It is unfair to the black people who want nothing to do with evil, but it is not isolated to white people believing this. There are plenty of black people who would walk across the street to avoid a group of black people they don't know, especially if they are dressed like gang-bangers. Honestly I'd probably walk across the street if I saw a group of white gang-bangers in an area I was unfamiliar with as well.
This perception might come from the fact that a majority of violent criminals and murderers end up being black. It also might come from the gangster rap culture. It might also come from the inter-racial crime rates which are staggeringly disproportionate.
This is not saying that most black people are violent criminals or murderers. Shit, most black people are good people who have a certain perception of society and themselves that is self-defeating and it is quite sad.
I think it might come down to lack of interaction between the two communities so then people can only judge based on stereotypical perceptions of the other group rather than their personal experiences.
But since this thread is about BLM's racism, I'll just remind that they have been banned from certain public places for refusing to admit white people to their meetings.
Why do this if they wanted to bridge the communities? Do they just sit around and reinforce each others hate? Is vengeance the best way to let go of anger and hatred or does it amplify those things?
Is becoming what you claim to be standing against a good thing or a bad thing or the most likely thing to occur due to humans tendency to project their own self-loathing onto others?
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And since you ignored all the points that were made which bring into question the conclusion you made based on your statistics, I take it YOU lack intellectual capacity. Since you take statistics and see an imbalance and only associate it with race rather than considering the other factors, such as the recidivism rates of black people and all the other points that were made, your conclusion is an oversimplification.
MY presidential candidate? Speak for yourself. I don't trust any of the dog and pony show.
And here is a source for information that has the names of people killed by police:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/
Are you saying that inside prison people segregate to themselves because white people are racist and not because people tend to associate and relate with people who look, think, and act like themselves? Racism is a belief of an inherent superiority or inferiority of a person based on skin color or ethnicity.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-20/my-own-people-hate-me-black-brooklyn-cop-slams-false-narrative-black-lives-matter
It's also kind of funny that you compare a chart that says "2015" to a chart that says "2014" and use it to say the numbers are different when it is a totally different year while simultaneously questioning MY intellectual capacity. I'll accept that the image posted by trump might be wrong, and I don't think it's a good thing that Trump or Hillary is going to be president.
Likewise, based on your own chart that says "2014" we see twice as many black-on-white crimes edit: HOMICIDES than white-on-black yet black people aren't nearly the population size. You've only proven that black people hate white people more than the other way around.
And for what its worth, my father's father is native american who had my father with a white woman, who had me with a white woman. Technically my heritage is mixed, although my skin is light. I never had much of a relationship with my father or his family but that really ought to be irrelevant.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23463041 - 07/21/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And to say white people don't get profiled is simply not true. My brother(not biologically) got arrested with his girlfriends prescription in his pocket since she was trying to overdose herself. Since it was a felony his FOID card was revoked. They later found him with a legal gun and bullets on the way to the firing range and he didn't know his foid was revoked since the trial was still going on. He got charged.
He got a letter from his doctor showing that he had an allergy to her prescription and those charges were dropped. His gun charge ended up getting reduced down and he got court supervision since he had no prior record.
Now any time a cop is behind him he gets pulled over. Before this incident he almost never got pulled over.
I've been pulled over leaving my own neighborhood at 1 am simply because it was a "bad" neighborhood and I had a possession charge and a DUI. When he pulled me over he accused me of swerving and I flat out denied it. He then changed his story and said I didn't stop behind the line. He had the drug dogs there the second he pulled me over. They did a false alert and he tore threw my car and didn't find anything.
Point being if you have a record the police are going to look at you harder. While it is a pain in the ass, it's not a difficult concept to understand.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23463048 - 07/21/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can bury you in quotes and examples of systematic racism without repeating a single source or document. In fact, I already have. Your continued ignorance in light of this evidence is petty. Enough of your drivel.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: MrBlueYoMind] 1
#23463067 - 07/21/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If Judge A always gives out probation in an area with a lot of white people and low crime rates and you compare it to an area that has a lot of black people with high crime rates like East St Louis and you try to say the system is racist because of the disparity then you're being dishonest.
If you take the sentencing in a place like East St Louis and you see that white people are getting less sentences for first time offenses than black people despite equal standing in the community then your argument has validity.
Recidivism plays a huge factor into sentencing.
Can you point out to me a racist law that would prove systemic racism? I can point one out: Affirmative Action, except it is racist against white people.
I live not far from east st louis. The same county. I've went to the county jail and stayed for 90 days, cause i wouldn't accept the deal they we're offering me. I legitimately didn't do what they were laying on me. A domestic violence charge (crazy girlfriend)
There were about 40 east st louis 'natives' and 4 whites, including me in the block.(not a nice place) The judge would go harder on whites then blacks with similar circumstances.
They are overly afraid of coming across as disparaging against blacks.
So even in east st louis its actually racist, yes, but not against the blacks. It was common knowledge we talked about it alot in there, and the blacks were very aware of this fact. Shit I saw a few get out on probation for armed robberies, and they only sat a month or two.
Guess its politically correct white guilt. Its fucking wrong and absolutely ridiculous, and im sure this is happening in more places like this than not.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: billy jowl]
#23463078 - 07/21/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your personal experience is a limited set of data to draw on and is not an accurate reflection of the general populations experiences. Theres clear biases and policies your politicians have openly enacted to ensure they target blacks predominantly. Large swaths of america are racist and target blacks for being black. Thats a cold hard fact.
Failure to admit that is either idiocy or racism.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: billy jowl] 1
#23463091 - 07/21/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How is this conversation still going? Stats are in, is there a next step? I should be profiled.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23463095 - 07/21/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah my expierences may be limited ie east st louis...
But im gonna go out on a limb and say yours are too. You frigg'n live in canada.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: billy jowl]
#23463110 - 07/21/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I posted a cache of links implicating, schools, multiple police forces, banks, politicians both past and present. You got a single trip to jail. Dumb people wind up in jail.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23463119 - 07/21/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dumb people from Canada think they know everything bout 'merica.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: billy jowl]
#23463121 - 07/21/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That doesnt invalidate anything Im saying. At this point you're someone who refuses to admit blacks are profiled and oppressed by white society in america. My arguments air tight.
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#23463158 - 07/21/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Of course there is some oppression, and if you lived here you'd have a clue as to why. It's easy to have a pov like you. If you only read about it and watch it through a TV.
But its not always the black man being held down. They are more apt to catch breaks around here as of late. Is that fair?
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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: billy jowl]
#23463190 - 07/21/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Refute my statements with actual talking points. You keep saying I dont know because I dont live there. Thats not a legitimate counter point. Wheres all these black people getting light sentences? Show me the stats, the numbers bruh. I brought raw evidence in here and so far all any of you produced is personal allegories.
"Well I duh I went to jail once and they wer like all black, obv blacks are criminals, and I hear theyre like giving them light sentences now. bro the racism is nothing, like minimal. Trust me man, I know black people. "
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