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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23457596 - 07/19/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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In rebuttal: Yes, I empathize strongly with the young black male in the US, in particular the large group among them who don't do anything of substance wrong.




such as the ones that arent in prison for murder, armed robbery, aggravated
assault and a host of other crimes? they probably dont need you to feel sorry
for them because they realized that if they dont commit crimes they dont land
their asses in prison


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Young black males are insanely villified, its hard to do anything right from that position, or have ones self and ones actions objectively assessed.




so they're just like young, white conservatives, they're also extremely vilified


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Its not being paranoid when they are really out to get you




like whom the other young black males that will land in prison but will have the
'dindu' squad swearing their innocent of shooting the young black male that
didnt do anything wrong over his sneakers before assaulting a cop in his attempt
to become a national headline

sounds like the criminals are just trying to build their rap persona



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Black males are perceived as a menace and black females have their femininity questioned in very rude unchivalrous ways.





like being called hos and tricks and shit like that, yeah, again, that's the
young black males talking that shit and treating them like shit, turning them
into 16yo baby mommas soon to have 8 kids by 8 different men that all said they
were differnt than the last by still treated them like tricks and hos


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23457624 - 07/19/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

the BLM has finally released their list of demands, apparently they're too
retarded to understand that most of their demands are already in practice, of
course it's just demands and no offered solutions such as "young black men will
stop their violent ways, no more robbery, assault, gang activity and murder,
they'll no longer be a threat to the police so the police will have no reason to
shoot them"

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/07/372827-despite-lack-organization-blacklivesmatter-movement-actually-list-demands/

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    1. We demand an end to all forms of discrimination and the full recognition of our human rights.
    2. We demand an immediate end to police brutality and the murder of Black people and all oppressed people.
    3. We demand full, living wage employment for our people.
    4. We demand decent housing fit for the shelter of human beings and an end to gentrification.
    5. We demand an end to the school to prison pipeline & quality education for all.
    6. We demand freedom from mass incarceration and an end to the prison industrial complex.
    7. We demand a racial justice agenda from the White House that is inclusive of our shared fate as Black men, women, trans and gender-nonconforming people. Not My Brother’s Keeper, but Our Children’s Keeper.
    8. We demand access to affordable healthy food for our neighborhoods.
  9. We demand an aggressive attack against all laws, policies, and entities that disenfranchise any community from expressing themselves at the ballot.
  10. We demand a public education system that teaches the rich history of Black people and celebrates the contributions we have made to this country and the world.
  11. We demand the release of all U.S. political prisoners.
  12. We demand an end to the military industrial complex that incentivizes private corporations to profit off of the death and destruction of Black and Brown communities across the globe.






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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1] * 4
    #23457642 - 07/19/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

basically here is what they are saying:

We never paid attention in school, our lives are fucked up, we demand you make our lives better without us doing anything / reparations.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23457667 - 07/19/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Has it been confirmed yet the dollar amount of a acceptable living wage?


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Anahata]
    #23457690 - 07/19/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Has it been confirmed yet the dollar amount of a acceptable living wage?





liberals seem to think $15 is the magical amount but dont forget, we have to
further discriminate against whites and make sure all blacks are working,
it's in their demands


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Anahata]
    #23457694 - 07/19/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i demand the ghettos of America receive cheaper crack cocaine for the gangs to distribute.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23457838 - 07/19/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Has it been confirmed yet the dollar amount of a acceptable living wage?





liberals seem to think $15 is the magical amount but dont forget, we have to
further discriminate against whites and make sure all blacks are working,
it's in their demands




I actually think people would be worse off with a $15 minimum wage. If they are making $15 an hour full-time, then they'll be making just barely enough to stay afloat and will no longer be eligible for free healthcare, low-cost child daycare, food stamp assistance, and all these other social programs.

So basically it's the same shit either way, if anything conservatives should be happy it'll mean less leeches on the system.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23457890 - 07/19/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Politicians who support 15/HR do so only because of the added taxes that would flow into treasury, they would raise the thresholds of eligibility for social programs, the only effect of 15/HR would most likely be less jobs and more unemployment


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23457903 - 07/19/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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they would raise the thresholds of eligibility for social programs




Is there any proof they are planning to do that?


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #23457993 - 07/19/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I don't really understand the point of having less than living wages though... I mean what are you supposed to do if the only jobs you can find are less than a living wage?  (very common situation) besides government support? Companies like Wal-mart rely on the US public to offset their own potential costs (paying higher wages) with tax funded living assistance. One would think that conservatives would be pissed about that, since it burdens the public. It seems their only wish is to further cut benefits so that people have to basically resort to crime, or work 60+ hrs a week :lol: though I believe the minimum wage should be a diminishing ratio of the cost of living in an area (rises incrementally less the more the cost of living is in an area, as to dissuade everyone from moving to expensive areas) - not a fixed value.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: twighead]
    #23458018 - 07/19/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't really understand the point of having less than living wages though... I mean what are you supposed to do if the only jobs you can find are less than a living wage?  (very common situation) besides government support? Companies like Wal-mart rely on the US public to offset their own potential costs (paying higher wages) with tax funded living assistance. One would think that conservatives would be pissed about that, since it burdens the public. It seems their only wish is to further cut benefits so that people have to basically resort to crime, or work 60+ hrs a week :lol: though I believe the minimum wage should be a diminishing ratio of the cost of living in an area (rises incrementally less the more the cost of living is in an area, as to dissuade everyone from moving to expensive areas) - not a fixed value.




It sucks, but I honestly think $15 minimum wage would actually be worse in the long run, since you'll no longer be eligible for programs that basically cost you thousands of dollars a month.

It might be different for college-aged, single students, but especially for people with families, they need that low-cost daycare, they need that health insurance. Daycare costs like $1200 a month if you're paying out of pocket, and that's not even an expensive one, you might as well stay at home and not work if you're going to pay your entire paycheck over to pay for daycare.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23458022 - 07/19/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well obviously the problem then is the criteria for those programs


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23458030 - 07/19/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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they would raise the thresholds of eligibility for social programs




Is there any proof they are planning to do that?





is there any proof that people will barely survive on $15/hr?


linear thinking, we're discussing the raising of minimum wage, if people are
unable to survive on it as you said, what would be the next logical response?


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: twighead]
    #23458034 - 07/19/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well obviously the problem then is the criteria for those programs




I believe the cut-off for programs like SNAP and Medicare is like $1600-1800 a month pre-tax, somewhere around there. It's like around $20,000 a year salary pre-tax, I believe.

So if you're making $15 an hour working 40 hours a week, you'd basically make $2400 a month pre-tax, based on the cut-off you would no longer be eligible for these programs, is it worth it to have the extra money or to have the extra assistance? I don't know, I guess that depends on each individual case, and exactly what programs they are using and how much they are using.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23458041 - 07/19/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That depends entirely on your location.....

$15/hour in some places I've lived is enough to afford rent on a 2-3 bedroom house, a car payment and plenty of food etc etc..

$15/hour where I live is barely enough to survive unless you live with multiple people.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Shroomism]
    #23458060 - 07/19/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well obviously the problem then is the criteria for those programs




I believe the cut-off for programs like SNAP and Medicare is like $1600-1800 a month pre-tax, somewhere around there. It's like around $20,000 a year salary pre-tax, I believe.

So if you're making $15 an hour working 40 hours a week, you'd basically make $2400 a month pre-tax, based on the cut-off you would no longer be eligible for these programs, is it worth it to have the extra money or to have the extra assistance? I don't know, I guess that depends on each individual case, and exactly what programs they are using and how much they are using.



Well that's where the criteria comes in right?

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That depends entirely on your location.....

$15/hour in some places I've lived is enough to afford rent on a 2-3 bedroom house, a car payment and plenty of food etc etc..

$15/hour where I live is barely enough to survive unless you live with multiple people.



That's why I like the ratio of cost of living minimum wage, that's weighted somewhat towards the cheaper areas to live (say by only like 5-10%) as to dissuade everyone from moving to SF or some shit because they'd make a pretty hefty wage there.


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Shroomism]
    #23458093 - 07/19/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That depends entirely on your location.....

$15/hour in some places I've lived is enough to afford rent on a 2-3 bedroom house, a car payment and plenty of food etc etc..

$15/hour where I live is barely enough to survive unless you live with multiple people.





if you're single you can get by on it. everything I have is paid for but $15/hr is
struggling for me in a place where the cost of living is low


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Crystal G]
    #23458106 - 07/19/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well obviously the problem then is the criteria for those programs




I believe the cut-off for programs like SNAP and Medicare is like $1600-1800 a month pre-tax, somewhere around there. It's like around $20,000 a year salary pre-tax, I believe.

So if you're making $15 an hour working 40 hours a week, you'd basically make $2400 a month pre-tax, based on the cut-off you would no longer be eligible for these programs, is it worth it to have the extra money or to have the extra assistance? I don't know, I guess that depends on each individual case, and exactly what programs they are using and how much they are using.





are you really this incapable of understanding, if minimum wage increases so
will the cost of goods and services, it quickly catches back up and the $15/hr
people are making and they have to then raise the poverty level cap

but hey, if raising the minimum wage is really going to make a difference, why
not just raise it to $15000/hr, then we can all live like wealthy CEOs


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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23458128 - 07/19/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: #Blacklivesmatter is more racist than I thought [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Crystal G said:
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Well obviously the problem then is the criteria for those programs




I believe the cut-off for programs like SNAP and Medicare is like $1600-1800 a month pre-tax, somewhere around there. It's like around $20,000 a year salary pre-tax, I believe.

So if you're making $15 an hour working 40 hours a week, you'd basically make $2400 a month pre-tax, based on the cut-off you would no longer be eligible for these programs, is it worth it to have the extra money or to have the extra assistance? I don't know, I guess that depends on each individual case, and exactly what programs they are using and how much they are using.





are you really this incapable of understanding, if minimum wage increases so
will the cost of goods and services, it quickly catches back up and the $15/hr
people are making and they have to then raise the poverty level cap

but hey, if raising the minimum wage is really going to make a difference, why
not just raise it to $15000/hr, then we can all live like wealthy CEOs




I disagree that the minimum wage would increase the cost of goods and services. Inflation and the housing bubble in California happened long before any substantial minimum wage increase.

The increase in cost came first, before the wage.

What is really the big problem in America, is that many corporations really don't care about their employees like they used to. Before it used to be the norm to take care of your employees, to pay them a decent living, to offer them pension. Now companies just try to get away with paying you the bare minimum possible, just barely designated to keep you afloat.


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