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 ihatethis
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 Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! 
#23429893 - 07/10/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here is my buddy's 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins!
The first monotub sucked and we got like 10-15 mushy's so far but thanks to all of you fine people's help, apparently we are back on track. The problem, IMO was FAE. Besides the substrate looks dry as f***. So we got another tub and have two going now.
For those that didn't see my last post, we have P.E. BRF cakes crumbled on bottom, 50/50 verm / peat moss substrate on top, waited until we saw a bit of white popping through in multiple spots on the substrate. We started birthing about 1.5 - 2 weeks ago.
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Munchauzen
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23429939 - 07/10/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would apply a generous serving of h20 to that
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Munchauzen]
#23430019 - 07/10/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks dry.
What's up with all the holes in the surface?
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ihatethis
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23430079 - 07/10/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's what I thought. Guys this substrate is literally floating in water. We thought that originally maybe the shroomies getting ready were soaking up all of the moisture, so he literally poured a glass of water in there and when I saw it, it was rocking back and forth floating. He mists and fans with a piece of paper 2-3 times a day. We live in the upper northeast and there is very little humidity to the air. That's why I'm thinking it looks so damn dry. Any advice is helpful here because we literally cannot make the substrate look moist no matter how hard we try.
I used a different peat moss and vermiculite brand than I am used to. The peat moss was more like blades of grass and small sticks that we had to break down. It didn't seem to me like it was the best candidate for moisture retention. What do you guys think on this? I'm drawing a blank and really need help with that one. I'm pretty positive on the next go round we are using WBS and Coir instead.
The holes in the top were him not listening to my instructions to put two vent holes, instead he put four. This seems to have helped pinning a ton! Should I get him to cover up two of those holes?
Thanks again for the help guys.
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23430109 - 07/10/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Extra FAE is better than too little, if you can keep up with misting.
Pouring water over your sub is ok between flushes but I wouldn't do that while I had pins on the sub and I would drain the water a couple of hours later. You should be misting during a flush, if you waterlog the substrate, FAE will be hindered.
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ihatethis
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23431588 - 07/11/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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updated pics, I told him to mist vigorously and personally went and touched the cake myself this morning. It is like a damp sponge...
pin porn
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dankington
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23432817 - 07/11/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah, there's a reason we have our holes at different heights. I believe you have inhibited FAE by putting the holes only at substrate level.
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Inocuole
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: dankington]
#23432842 - 07/11/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not so much inhibited FAE as increased the amount of dryness that a given amount of FAE produced. High holes give FAE without drying as much.
Could be why it's drier than a skeleton's cunt.
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ihatethis
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Inocuole]
#23433049 - 07/11/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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4 holes on bottom, 4 holes on top. This photo doesn't show the top holes but they are there.
Again, it looks dry but it is so moist it's squishy. I wish I could explain better but even though it looks dry, it's as wet as if you submerged a sponge in water, took the sponge out and didn't ring it out. I think the top layer looks like this because of the dryness in the air, or the chemicals from the hard water we have on the north. Thoughts?
Btw, I just picked up 20 lbs of Pennington WBS and 3 bricks of coir for a B+ grow we are starting soon. Hopefully not as dry.
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Inocuole
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433057 - 07/11/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you have 4 holes, that are probably drying it out, and then another 4 holes, doing it even more?
Well okay if you say it's not dry I guess we'll completely change our paradigm in light of this new information..
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ihatethis
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Inocuole]
#23433097 - 07/11/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol I thought all normal monotubs had 4 holes right above the substrate layer, 2 holes at the top. The other two in the top is when he drilled two unnecessary ones, against my advice. I haven't mentioned it to him yet because im trying to let him learn. In your opinion, should I get him to cover the two of the four top holes?
In the previous post the mushys were skinny. Per some of your fine advice, we added the top holes and now they are fat. So with that being said, it sounds like the FAE is right? I've always wondered the absolute best way you all do monotub holes and your normal fanning routine (what you use, how long you do it, how many times a day, etc) to prevent dryness to the substrate.
So since the cake is not dry, and the shroomys are bigger and more pins now, is the dry "appearance" just on the top layer?
Again thanks for the responses guys.
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dankington
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433113 - 07/11/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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don't fan, for one thing.
you want to dial-in the tub as best you can. How, is really up to you. Try taping two holes, adjusting the density of the polyfill... it all takes some getting used to.
also, that tape you have around the bottom of your tub is useless. I hope you tell your 'buddy' that as well.
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Pastywhyte 
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: dankington]
#23433137 - 07/11/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks like he used sphagnum peat which looks bone dry even when it's dripping. I never liked it as reptile bedding for that reason.
That thing is waterlogged to hell which is preventing pinning. I would literally leave the lid of that for a day then dial it in and leave it alone. If it molds, pitch it.
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ihatethis
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23433222 - 07/11/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe that's where I'm confused. Monotubs require absolutely no fanning? How does a mono trigger pinning without adding the fanning FAE element? We cannot achieve humidity levels without misting I know that much.
Where we are in the north it's gets so one dry in the winter that our lungs hurt and skin gets so dry it bleeds. I'm originally from the south and I had no problems with the substrate looking dry. It is sphagnum peat moss. Does anyone know a good recommendation for spawn / substrate Tek for dryer climates?
My buddy asked me to try to teach him when I told him I have experience, and this is the result.
The feedback you guys give is so helpful, again thanks.
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Inocuole
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433227 - 07/11/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fanning is not FAE, FAE is all those holes. Why is a buddy absorbing information through you? It's a lot easier to learn when you're not playing telephone..
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Inocuole]
#23433235 - 07/11/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I live in a bone dry part of the world. Monotubs spawned to coir/verm with coir/verm casing always do me just fine.
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 tripdawg420
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23433306 - 07/11/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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i fan my tubs 
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ihatethis
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23433307 - 07/11/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just asked him to create an account. Hopefully we'll see him here in a couple of days. 
Pastywhyte- we were talking about this earlier. Can you still successfully grow in the winter, if the room is heated well and we keep the tub humid?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433340 - 07/11/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
mmmmmm said:
I just asked him to create an account. Hopefully we'll see him here in a couple of days.
Pastywhyte- we were talking about this earlier. Can you still successfully grow in the winter, if the room is heated well and we keep the tub humid?
Of course. It's easy to grow in winter, lower sporeload and temps won't spike provided you just heat the room and not the substrate or spawn.
It is usually dry as hell so I case my monos and do my bottom poly up tigher than most people. I make up for it with looser top holes and I really loosen the top poly once the pinset is in. Hell sometimes I take it right out completely.
It's about fine tuning for your environment. But it can be done, I do it all the time.
I did these tub in January last year
 
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Snazz
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433343 - 07/11/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I live in a very arid part of the country.
Monotub with field cap bulk substrate and proper holes should stay hydrated through flush #1.
Then hydrate and go again.
But ya, dry that fucker out. Don't want a peat bog in there.
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