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ihatethis
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Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins!
#23429893 - 07/10/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is my buddy's 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins!
The first monotub sucked and we got like 10-15 mushy's so far but thanks to all of you fine people's help, apparently we are back on track. The problem, IMO was FAE. Besides the substrate looks dry as f***. So we got another tub and have two going now.
For those that didn't see my last post, we have P.E. BRF cakes crumbled on bottom, 50/50 verm / peat moss substrate on top, waited until we saw a bit of white popping through in multiple spots on the substrate. We started birthing about 1.5 - 2 weeks ago.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23429939 - 07/10/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would apply a generous serving of h20 to that
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Munchauzen]
#23430019 - 07/10/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks dry.
What's up with all the holes in the surface?
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23430079 - 07/10/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's what I thought. Guys this substrate is literally floating in water. We thought that originally maybe the shroomies getting ready were soaking up all of the moisture, so he literally poured a glass of water in there and when I saw it, it was rocking back and forth floating. He mists and fans with a piece of paper 2-3 times a day. We live in the upper northeast and there is very little humidity to the air. That's why I'm thinking it looks so damn dry. Any advice is helpful here because we literally cannot make the substrate look moist no matter how hard we try.
I used a different peat moss and vermiculite brand than I am used to. The peat moss was more like blades of grass and small sticks that we had to break down. It didn't seem to me like it was the best candidate for moisture retention. What do you guys think on this? I'm drawing a blank and really need help with that one. I'm pretty positive on the next go round we are using WBS and Coir instead.
The holes in the top were him not listening to my instructions to put two vent holes, instead he put four. This seems to have helped pinning a ton! Should I get him to cover up two of those holes?
Thanks again for the help guys.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23430109 - 07/10/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Extra FAE is better than too little, if you can keep up with misting.
Pouring water over your sub is ok between flushes but I wouldn't do that while I had pins on the sub and I would drain the water a couple of hours later. You should be misting during a flush, if you waterlog the substrate, FAE will be hindered.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23431588 - 07/11/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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updated pics, I told him to mist vigorously and personally went and touched the cake myself this morning. It is like a damp sponge...
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23432817 - 07/11/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, there's a reason we have our holes at different heights. I believe you have inhibited FAE by putting the holes only at substrate level.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: dankington]
#23432842 - 07/11/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not so much inhibited FAE as increased the amount of dryness that a given amount of FAE produced. High holes give FAE without drying as much.
Could be why it's drier than a skeleton's cunt.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Inocuole]
#23433049 - 07/11/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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4 holes on bottom, 4 holes on top. This photo doesn't show the top holes but they are there.
Again, it looks dry but it is so moist it's squishy. I wish I could explain better but even though it looks dry, it's as wet as if you submerged a sponge in water, took the sponge out and didn't ring it out. I think the top layer looks like this because of the dryness in the air, or the chemicals from the hard water we have on the north. Thoughts?
Btw, I just picked up 20 lbs of Pennington WBS and 3 bricks of coir for a B+ grow we are starting soon. Hopefully not as dry.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433057 - 07/11/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you have 4 holes, that are probably drying it out, and then another 4 holes, doing it even more?
Well okay if you say it's not dry I guess we'll completely change our paradigm in light of this new information..
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Inocuole]
#23433097 - 07/11/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol I thought all normal monotubs had 4 holes right above the substrate layer, 2 holes at the top. The other two in the top is when he drilled two unnecessary ones, against my advice. I haven't mentioned it to him yet because im trying to let him learn. In your opinion, should I get him to cover the two of the four top holes?
In the previous post the mushys were skinny. Per some of your fine advice, we added the top holes and now they are fat. So with that being said, it sounds like the FAE is right? I've always wondered the absolute best way you all do monotub holes and your normal fanning routine (what you use, how long you do it, how many times a day, etc) to prevent dryness to the substrate.
So since the cake is not dry, and the shroomys are bigger and more pins now, is the dry "appearance" just on the top layer?
Again thanks for the responses guys.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433113 - 07/11/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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don't fan, for one thing. you want to dial-in the tub as best you can. How, is really up to you. Try taping two holes, adjusting the density of the polyfill... it all takes some getting used to.
also, that tape you have around the bottom of your tub is useless. I hope you tell your 'buddy' that as well.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: dankington]
#23433137 - 07/11/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like he used sphagnum peat which looks bone dry even when it's dripping. I never liked it as reptile bedding for that reason.
That thing is waterlogged to hell which is preventing pinning. I would literally leave the lid of that for a day then dial it in and leave it alone. If it molds, pitch it.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23433222 - 07/11/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe that's where I'm confused. Monotubs require absolutely no fanning? How does a mono trigger pinning without adding the fanning FAE element? We cannot achieve humidity levels without misting I know that much.
Where we are in the north it's gets so one dry in the winter that our lungs hurt and skin gets so dry it bleeds. I'm originally from the south and I had no problems with the substrate looking dry. It is sphagnum peat moss. Does anyone know a good recommendation for spawn / substrate Tek for dryer climates?
My buddy asked me to try to teach him when I told him I have experience, and this is the result.
The feedback you guys give is so helpful, again thanks.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433227 - 07/11/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fanning is not FAE, FAE is all those holes. Why is a buddy absorbing information through you? It's a lot easier to learn when you're not playing telephone..
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Inocuole]
#23433235 - 07/11/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I live in a bone dry part of the world. Monotubs spawned to coir/verm with coir/verm casing always do me just fine.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23433306 - 07/11/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i fan my tubs
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ihatethis
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23433307 - 07/11/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just asked him to create an account. Hopefully we'll see him here in a couple of days. 
Pastywhyte- we were talking about this earlier. Can you still successfully grow in the winter, if the room is heated well and we keep the tub humid?
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433340 - 07/11/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
mmmmmm said: I just asked him to create an account. Hopefully we'll see him here in a couple of days. 
Pastywhyte- we were talking about this earlier. Can you still successfully grow in the winter, if the room is heated well and we keep the tub humid?
Of course. It's easy to grow in winter, lower sporeload and temps won't spike provided you just heat the room and not the substrate or spawn.
It is usually dry as hell so I case my monos and do my bottom poly up tigher than most people. I make up for it with looser top holes and I really loosen the top poly once the pinset is in. Hell sometimes I take it right out completely.
It's about fine tuning for your environment. But it can be done, I do it all the time.
I did these tub in January last year
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23433343 - 07/11/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I live in a very arid part of the country.
Monotub with field cap bulk substrate and proper holes should stay hydrated through flush #1.
Then hydrate and go again.
But ya, dry that fucker out. Don't want a peat bog in there.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23434959 - 07/12/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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follow the teks and you will see just how easy it can be. If you setup your mono tub properly and dial it in its a set it and forget it setup. When the time is right you can loosen the top polyfill to initiate pinning although many just stuff the bottom holes tight and the top lose at spawning and let nature do the rest. As for a substrate I reccomend CVG or 50/50 horse manure/straw (Pasteurized of course). I am in the northeast and properly dialed in tubs work great year round!
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Hugh Jorgan]
#23437530 - 07/13/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Guys, thanks again for the thoughts. I rely on your input and you have helped out more than you know. I have read the teks but have been out of the game since 2011 and am a bit rusty in helping my friend.
Here are the takeaways (let me know if I missed anything):
1. Use Coir as substrate for dry regions as it retains moisture better
2. Don't mist monotubs *at all* - only dunk for 24 hours after each flush. If the monotub is too moist, it will cause contamination quicker - some recommend even wiping down the sides so that there are no droplets that make it to the substrate.
3. FAE is not recommended for monotubs because if you have the 4 holes on bottom, 2 holes on top, the FAE will take care of itself.
4. Play around with polyfill thickness to "dial in" my specific tub humidity level. I'm guessing I may need to buy another humidity gauge? My old one was thrown away years ago.
Here is an updated pic from yesterday:

My thoughts as to why we have three "big boys" and a bunch of small ones is that we drowned the substrate in water and it prevented FAE. Did I get that right?
Edited by ihatethis (07/13/16 10:21 AM)
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23437542 - 07/13/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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where did you get all this from? fanning is no good, but FAE is what you want. I mist my tubs. I never wipe the sides unless I'm hosing it down for another run. You don't need a humidity gauge, just look.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23437567 - 07/13/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. Most substrates are fine. Coir has quite a few benefits though. As long as there isn't mad FAE, and you properly hydrated the sub, the water will mainly just get used by mushroom growth.
2. Due to #1, you can weigh your wet shrooms minus dried weight and add that much water back to the substrate.
3. Manual FAE isn't required if the flow is correct. Right at pinning, extra FAE can possibly help. Mushroom caps shouldn't be constantly wet. Bacteria like that
4. Mainly for airflow. Humidity only matters at the casing layer. Air humidity is moot. Devices can just send you the wrong direction or create unnecessary stress 4u
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Snazz]
#23438207 - 07/13/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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We just harvested this first flush but didn't take a pic. We drained the excess water and taped up 2 of the 4 top holes in our bin for the next time.
*We got 101 wet grams*
There are two pins that just started, hopefully the second flush is already on its way.
We also just prepped 20 lbs of WBS and are soaking that for 24 hours for the PC tomorrow. Also tomorrow, the B+ spores come in. Coir comes in Friday. Since these teks are new for both me and my buddy, we are using the following teks:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17252080 https://www.shroomery.org/9030/Doc34-s-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek https://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir
Comments requested!
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23442801 - 07/15/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23474632 - 07/25/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should be getting WAY more than that! Just to give you some reference. I just harvested a mono of Texas Orange Cap.
Spores > Agar, Agar > Grain, Grain > Grain, Spawned to 50/50 manure/straw. Got 1000 Grams wet. Set up those monos right and you almost cant go wrong.
Follow the teks and good luck.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Hugh Jorgan]
#23475346 - 07/25/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23478841 - 07/26/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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20Lbs of wild bird seed seems a bit much for a hobbyist. Going into business?
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Hugh Jorgan]
#23478892 - 07/26/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a couple of sacks of oats just hanging around. Each sack is 20kg. You'd think they will last forever, they do last a while but you'd be surprised how fast you go through a sack, especially with multiple monos going at the same time.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23478997 - 07/26/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol @ 20 lbs being too much... I usually get 50lb sacks of grain.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Inocuole]
#23481686 - 07/27/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I need to reduce the grains I have on hand, summer is prime time for insects. I have the sacks stored well but you can never be too careful. We get this brown/black insect that will tunnel through grains and eat them from the inside. They can ruin a sack of grains pretty fast.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Inocuole]
#23481713 - 07/27/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was commenting on the fact that he said he prepped 20Lbs of grain. thats four or more monos.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Hugh Jorgan]
#23484151 - 07/27/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just checked this. Been working hard on a new project.
Yea 20 lbs ended up being way too much WBS. We used every jar that we had and still had more. I had to give it to the birds, and it sprouted a ton of grass where I threw the leftovers!
We were hoping for at least 2 good size monos and 2 small ones. Things have changed - my buddy wanted out, and has handed it back now I am starting a new project with another friend. We should have mostly Thailand Koh Samui Super Strain (That's a mouthful) and some B+.
Check out this same forum in a couple of days and I'll have some pics of the jars I made.
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23484161 - 07/27/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You paid for WBS... and then threw the extra away? Are you growing all of one time, ever? The fuck..
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: ihatethis]
#23485050 - 07/28/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good Luck. Those KSSS are some funky fruits and B+ can pump out some real monsters. Have fun. I try not to make up too much spawn at once. I prefer to make several tubs up over a few day cycle so there is always something going on. I tend to always want to be poking around in them so once they are going strong Im harvesting or prepping or spawning or inoculating plates. Always keeping busy. I guess a little OCD. (Obsessive Cubensis Disorder)
Have fun
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Re: Buddies 2nd attempt P.E. Monotub -1st flush - 40+ Pins! [Re: Hugh Jorgan]
#23503765 - 08/02/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The extra I threw away was already soaked and cooked. It would have sprouted and been bad anyway.
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