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Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice
    #23429209 - 07/10/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have been growing for about 5 years now.

My grows have never been blue ribbon status like some I have seen on this site.

Congrats for the people that figured out some of the growing problems.

Here's my biggest issue. When I either use trays in a SGFC or a monotub I never get a consistent pin set.

I have posted a picture that shows a decent example of what I would like to achieve but never have before.

I don't mind what I end up with because I still yield results and that is better than nothing. But I'm trying to get better at this hobby.

temperature is 70 degrees day/night

Lighting isn't a problem as well as FAE.

Any thoughts??




This is the picture that I would love to see in my grow room haha.

This is what I have down here



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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Skizor1337]
    #23429348 - 07/10/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

wow, thats a lot of pooling water. that cant be good.. also probably way bacterial.


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: mupetmower] * 1
    #23429447 - 07/10/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

clean spawn would help, your "ideal" picture is also fucked.

the links in my signature go to pages that have all the up to date, time tested, results proven. TEKs that are around. follow good teks get good results.

genetics makes a huge help too, get into agar work

set your hopes a little higher,


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23430269 - 07/10/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What do you mean by "clean" spawn? thats a new one for me


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Skizor1337]
    #23430381 - 07/10/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23430444 - 07/10/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl:

That "ideal" pic is one of my trays. It was an invitro pin clone that pinned shitloads but wasn't able to grow those pins to maturity. You can see how most of those are aborts due to being there so long. The couple that actually matured look sickly as fuck, and they are very small.

I hope you aim higher than that tray :lol:

Here's some pics of the same variety, only difference is that these actually performed.



It's a small grower, pinset is nice even on ms but the shrooms are almost always small so the yields are nothing special. I've had better results on a poo and straw bulk mix though.



Anyway, if consistent results is what you are looking for, cloning is the way to go. Start doing agar if you haven't already. Clean spawn is paramount, spore syringe to grains is one of the worst ways to go.


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23430471 - 07/10/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Its unreal how perfect that looks.

I have been growing for years and still can't get that

I always used BRF mixed with coir for trays inside a SGFC

Im new to using Monotubs with the same spawn BRF and coir mixture.

Any tips?

Im starting to go hard with WBS but might switch to rye instead.


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Skizor1337]
    #23430482 - 07/10/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Bigger grains are easier IMO, never had much luck with WBS, millet, etc. See which one you like best but don't go overpaying for any grain just because you find that the easiest. Some folks buy rye at ridiculous prices for the sake of using "the best". You can have equally good results when you get used to other grains. I never used rye, I use oats which is very similiar.

Monos are better than SGFCs for trays, I would only ever use a SGFC for cakes honestly. Monos hold moisture much better and you can dial the FAE to suit your needs exactly.

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The most useful tip I can give to you is to start agar if you haven't already. Spore syringes are never sterile and bacteria will always effect yield. Agar is your best bet for clean spawn, which is even more important that getting a good clone most of the time. People still get canopies with MS when their spawn is clean. Those trays I linked are all MS.


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23430494 - 07/10/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ok so the last post you had that 1st picture with 2 trays sitting next to eachother.

Were they Monotubs? I didnt see any holes in them. They kinda looked self sustaining consdiering the results haha.

And oats.... Seems like something I will have to check out. WBS and BRF can get messy as fuck during prep so Im trying to become effecient but clean if you know what i mean :stoned:


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Skizor1337]
    #23430504 - 07/10/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I edited my post above, in case you missed it.

Those are actually 4 trays, 2 in a row. And yes, they were all in the same mono, I only took them out for the pic. Trays are only trays, their only job is to hold the substrate, you still need a fruiting chamber for them. Much like what you are doing.


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23430511 - 07/10/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Appreciate the help homie.

Any thoughts about dialing in monotubs?

I followed Franks tek and I just don't seem to have much luck sadly.

Also where are your monotubs kept? I have mine in a closet. Maybe its not getting proper air exchange?


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Skizor1337]
    #23430527 - 07/10/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Closets aren't all that good for monos but it could work if you loosen the poly enough. The air in a closet is stagnant, it's easy to get lack of FAE in there. Every room has a natural draught to it, a closet is isolating your grow from those draughts and gentle wind currents. I've grown in closets before but I always kept the poly loose when not home and removed the lid when I am. I would mist more often when I remove the lid obviously,  the extra evaporation helps with the pinset.

As for frank's tek, I tried something similiar, I couldn't follow it perfectly because the poly we get here is different. I used to do tight poly at the bottom and loose on top but couldn't get used to it very much, always had to adjust the poly a number of times before I got it right. I use medium poly in all the holes instead, works pretty well and it's easier for me to follow. I've been doing loose poly in all the holes recently, summer is here and the air is so damn still.


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23435614 - 07/12/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Closets aren't all that good for monos but it could work if you loosen the poly enough. The air in a closet is stagnant, it's easy to get lack of FAE in there. Every room has a natural draught to it, a closet is isolating your grow from those draughts and gentle wind currents. I've grown in closets before but I always kept the poly loose when not home and removed the lid when I am. I would mist more often when I remove the lid obviously,  the extra evaporation helps with the pinset.

As for frank's tek, I tried something similiar, I couldn't follow it perfectly because the poly we get here is different. I used to do tight poly at the bottom and loose on top but couldn't get used to it very much, always had to adjust the poly a number of times before I got it right. I use medium poly in all the holes instead, works pretty well and it's easier for me to follow. I've been doing loose poly in all the holes recently, summer is here and the air is so damn still.




Ok cool. I used to grow in closets due to living in an apartment and not having much space. I actually never thought about just having the monotub in like a bedroom or living room right out in the open. Now that I moved to the middle of no where its not a problem worrying is someone will see it.

Is that a typical grow method. Sorry for sounding like a newb but my old ways worked in the past so I never thought about changing until now since I have the ability


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Skizor1337]
    #23435618 - 07/12/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Is what a typical grow method?  Giving your grow medium to large room with plenty of small currents in the air?  Pretty standard yeah..  Monotubs do work in closets but you have to make adjustments like Supa said.  I prefer out in the open, dialed in a little tighter.


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Inocuole]
    #23435623 - 07/12/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Is what a typical grow method?  Giving your grow medium to large room with plenty of small currents in the air?  Pretty standard yeah..  Monotubs do work in closets but you have to make adjustments like Supa said.  I prefer out in the open, dialed in a little tighter.





Yea man it sounds like I never grown but I just always used a closet and it worked it the past haha. Just looking to change and improve my methods


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Re: Pinning consistency problems - Could use some advice [Re: Skizor1337]
    #23435631 - 07/12/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well, it's SGFCs that you really don't want in a closet, the adjustable poly factor is key in making monos adaptable.  So you could do whatever, really, as long as you take steps to balance it all out.  I guess in that sense I'd recommend changing it up, helps you get an idea of what you have to change in response to which environmental differences, trains your eyes in the process.


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