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    #23428379 - 07/10/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys I was wondering what some good plants to help me sleep are. I have ptsd and don't sleep the best I smoke bud but even then dreams are to intense sometimes. Anything that can help ease my mind. And thing that will help my dreams?


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: ralph larun]
    #23428447 - 07/10/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Take magnesium chloride to help stay asleep.

Not sure what to do about dreams, or if its even possible... Kava kava, valerian, skullcap can help one sleep, but they give me weird dreams.

Stay off the pharmies, but I'm not a doctor and you should do what YOU think is best.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: ralph larun]
    #23428534 - 07/10/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

+1 to kava kava, valerian, and melatonin


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: Mushiez]
    #23428604 - 07/10/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Its mainly the dream I need something for those if any? Kava kava sounds good for before sleep.and I use melatonin and ve taken zma since I was 16. I just hate waking up in a panic want something that can help maybe create positive dreams.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: ralph larun]
    #23428893 - 07/10/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Calea Zacatechichi is known as the dream herb, though I think it is more for lucid dreaming type of effects. I grow it but have never tried it but you could look into that to see if it has any desired effects for you.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: mandrin13]
    #23429344 - 07/10/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I take 25m diphenhydramine and 5m melatonin everynight to sleep. Seems good as long as my sleep is not disturbed. If i am woken up in the least and i do manage to fall asleep again i start to lucid dream. Basically the first 4 hours are good. Then its down hill after that.


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    #23429913 - 07/10/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: JesseCruz]
    #23430009 - 07/10/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Are you sure that the intensity of your dreams is not caused by the weed you are smoking? I myself get very intense dreams after periods of regularly smoking weed. You might want to try and quit using weed for a while and see how that works out for you. Your dreams will be more intense at first, but you will probably eliminate the cause of your dreaming problem.

Check out this article for more info about THC and REM sleep


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: Khaeshkhash]
    #23430158 - 07/10/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Valerian
Chamomile
St Johns wort
Lemon balm
Peppermint


I make that into a tea when I need sleep and I'm out like a brick, they're all most GABA antagonists and reuptake inhibitors, so it's like natural benzos.

I even started growing lemon balm and made a few tinctures with it and add that to my tea as well or straight to my tongue and it helps me sleep great.

DPH and melatonin will help you get to sleep but they won't keep you there, try these herbs, trust me.

I'll add a list of all of the herbs and what they do I wrote it up for another forum.


Theanine a plant-based amino acid found only in tea increases levels of GABA within the brain 8, 9, increases the production of alpha brainwaves 12, 13, 14 and enhances GABA A receptor response 60. Studies have shown that theanine is useful in the treatment of anxiety due to its ability to sedate the central nervous system as well as improving the quality of sleep and counteract the toxic effects of stress 15, 16. How smart were the generations gone before us......when someone was stressed their initial response was "come inside and sit down, I've just put on a pot of tea"......not coffee which can be stimulating and have the opposite effect!

Inositol, a B group vitamin may help alleviate anxiety and depression, by enhancing the ability of GABA to bind to the benzodiazepine receptors within the brain 35, 36, 37, 38, 39. Inositol may also help to stimulate poorly sensitive serotonin receptors within the brain 20. and facilitate a good night's sleep 40.

Magnesium deficiency is common in western society with up to 80% of women and 70% of men having some form of magnesium deficiency. Magnesium binds to and activates GABA receptors 54. Anxiety, panic disorders, apathy, poor attention span, depression, insomnia, irritability and nervousness may all result from magnesium deficiency 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52. Magnesium may also improve the length and quality of slow wave sleep 53.

Noni Fruit, a herb native to French Polynesia and traditionally used to help with many ailments including issues associated with the nervous system, was found to help alleviate anxiety by binding to the GABA receptors within the brain 33. Animal studies have shown that Noni may reduce the toxic effects on the body of excessive stress 34.

Chamomile, a medicinal herb used for thousands of years and commonly found throughout the world as a tea has been shown to have sedative effects due to the flavonoid apigenin that binds to the benzodiazepine and GABA receptors within the brain 67. Traditionally chamomile has been used to help alleviate anxiety and improve insomnia by sedating the central nervous system 21, 22, 23, 24. Chamomile may also assist in normalising moods 25.

St John's Wort may inhibit the reuptake of GABA (which leads to increased GABA levels and GABA activity 75.

Valerian is known to prevent or reduce the breakdown of GABA within the brain 71, 72, 73, 74

Kava inhibits noradrenaline (norepinephrine) uptake (too much noradrenaline causes you to feel like your are out of control and running around like a headless chook and leads to anxiety, panic attacks, schizophrenia, blood clots, hypertension, depression and elevated stress)59.

Ginkgo Biloba has been found in to increase GABA in the hippocampus region of the brain. The hippocampus plays an important role in long and short term memory it is also one of the first area affected by Alzheimers disease hence memory loss and disorentation 70.

Other herbs such as passionflower, skullcap, hops, lemon balm, magnolia bark and phellondendron bark are well-known to have calming and relaxing properties that improves moods, insomnia and anxiety, but their mode of action is not exactly known. It is believed that these herbs act either as a GABA receptor agonists (fancy word that simply means to stimulate the receptor, thus having a calming effect) or they boost GABA levels 59.


My gf has the same issues you speak of, overactive dream cycles and trouble sleeping and Valerian root specifically has helped her tons, good luck.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23430886 - 07/10/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I take 25m diphenhydramine and 5m melatonin everynight to sleep. Seems good as long as my sleep is not disturbed. If i am woken up in the least and i do manage to fall asleep again i start to lucid dream. Basically the first 4 hours are good. Then its down hill after that.




Take it easy with the diphenhydramine ferrel, it's not meant to be taken every day. I'm actually surprised it remains effective because I was under the impression that you build a tolerance pretty quickly. Strong correlation with increased dementia risk.

http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2091745

OP: maybe not the advice you're looking for but have you seen a medical professional about your problems? If your insomnia is related to PTSD perhaps that could be treated rather than treating insomnia which may be just a symptom. Additionally you may need to make adjustments to your behavior to promote good sleep hygiene. It sounds a bit weird but basically the advice is pretty logical. Check it out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_hygiene

Relying on chemical aids even from plant sources is not a healthy or sustainable way to ensure good sleep. Good luck.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: Ghost]
    #23431046 - 07/11/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Been to the doctor the precribe anianxity meds and muscle relaxers along with melatonin and ambein. No help other the sleep walking. I was prescribed medical cannabis till my state made it recreatonal.

I usually get about 3 good hours then bamm night terror like I was there. Or I'm just awake no resaon like I wanna go run a mile. But all day I'm tierd as shit but when I lay down nope staying awake.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: ralph larun]
    #23431075 - 07/11/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not a doctor but you seem to be suggesting that you feel the night terrors are related to your PTSD. Have you seen a psychologist? Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is proven to be effective in the treatment of anxiety disorders including PTSD. It is NOT psychotherapy where you talk about your childhood and how mommy never loved you. Unfortunately I think a good therapist is very expensive but I think the improvement in your quality of life might make it worthwhile.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: Ghost]
    #23431188 - 07/11/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Few pints of beer and I sleep like a baby !!!


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23431201 - 07/11/16 04:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

That's expensive after awhile man


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: ralph larun]
    #23431220 - 07/11/16 04:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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That's expensive after awhile man




LOL, not here it isn´t !!!



I can buy this (5% German lager) for €3 !!


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23431237 - 07/11/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I was thinking of growing spearmint, lemon grass, lavander, and making lotions for relaxation. For some reason when I drink it doesn't really help unless I'm hammerd and smoking just hasn't helpped a few weeks ago I just used to pass out now everythings just going on in my mind.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: ralph larun]
    #23431357 - 07/11/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Beer may help you fall asleep, but it's bad for deeper sleeping. I went that route and would always wake up with restless legs. Magnesium chloride solved that problem. Just figured my body was robbing my muscles and bones of magnesium and that's why I was having trouble staying asleep.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: ralph larun]
    #23431435 - 07/11/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I was thinking of growing spearmint, lemon grass, lavander, and making lotions for relaxation. For some reason when I drink it doesn't really help unless I'm hammerd and smoking just hasn't helpped a few weeks ago I just used to pass out now everythings just going on in my mind.




Maybe you just need a stronger brew.
Get into gardening, it's relaxing in it's own right and rewarding. Instead of teas make concentrated tinctures there's not of guides online. Currently I'm growing lemon balm peppermint cat nip for my gf sleep issues and it seems to be helping her a bit.


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Re: plants for relaxation [Re: impaired420]
    #23431589 - 07/11/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I forgot to mention, you could always eat your weed. Puts my ass out.


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