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musiclover420
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: natedawgnow]
#23429547 - 07/10/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Hmmm I have always heard that as an indole with a very similar chemical structure to DMT that it would come out with the final product.
You talking about gramine?
They are very similiar in structure but that doesn't mean they are soluble in the same things.
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It seems that some more research in needed on my end but I still would find a better source. Psychotria or Acacia definitely come to mind.
What makes phalaris interesting as alternatives to the various other plants with higher concentrations of tryptamines is that it grows literally all over the world, usually in huge fields. Its also un regulated being an invasive grass in many places and inexpensive/ renewable much more so then other plants like Mimosa or Acacia which are tree that take considerably more time to grow to maturity and recover from being harvested.
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I should have made it clear that I am not specifically talking about phalaris grasses when I was saying that.
That is another interesting thing many people seem to overlook, mimosa has a lot of other random alkaloids if I remember correctly.
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My advice was geared more towards dmt containing plants that have little or no quality information about extractions and purity.
It's pretty amazing how many there are 
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Phalaris was at one point in this catagory, but based off of the information you have brought it seems like a much more reasonable option for average extraction tek follower.
I am certainly not saying its the easiest or most reliable but it's certainly worth more research.
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: musiclover420]
#23430859 - 07/10/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help guys, would you say that making changa is easier than smoking just dmt crystals?
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#23433875 - 07/12/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phinx6236 said: Thanks for the help guys, would you say that making changa is easier than smoking just dmt crystals?
depending on your equipment yes.
If you have an electronic vaporizer that is suitable for dmt crystals then dont bother with changa unless using caapi leaf. (a healthstone actually works pretty well too if you keep the flame about an inch away from the dmt,)
smoking dmt crystal is not very easy with any other method I know of
Changa is super simple though, if you dont have either of the things above dont bother aquiring them and just make some changa.
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: dumbasswolf]
#23436024 - 07/12/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I ordered acacia confusa and Syrian rue online with suggestions that I seen online and with your guys suggestion on dmt source I also bought some of the things being that I have limited time and options I seen this way to extract dmt and still being able to consume it using house hold items washing soda (sodium carbonate, 90% isopropyl, vegetable oil and vinegar. I really want to have my first experience with dmt and I want to do it soon, but it seems to take a while to make it. I want to make my own, I see almost a ritualistic aspect of making it and then taking it. Any suggestions?
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#23437012 - 07/13/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phinx6236 said: I ordered acacia confusa and Syrian rue online with suggestions that I seen online and with your guys suggestion on dmt source I also bought some of the things being that I have limited time and options I seen this way to extract dmt and still being able to consume it using house hold items washing soda (sodium carbonate, 90% isopropyl, vegetable oil and vinegar. I really want to have my first experience with dmt and I want to do it soon, but it seems to take a while to make it. I want to make my own, I see almost a ritualistic aspect of making it and then taking it. Any suggestions?
Yea you are going to need a better solvent than ISO.
I sugguest using and acid-base type extraction tek your first time. Plain white vinegar is ok to use as an acid, but for most A-B exrractions or Straight to base you are going to require LYE crystals. Its very caustic... but if you can handle drain cleaner youll likely be fine.
Most teks use Naptha or Bestine as a solvent to pull the DMT out of the basic solution.
If you can get your hands on D-Limonene there are teks that use that as well
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: mushpunx]
#23437276 - 07/13/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And with the items I use for this extraction process should I only use for extraction or can it be with items I use everyday after. Or even with smoking if I have a pipe I smoke weed out of everyday sometimes with other people, should I have a different one I smoke dmt out of?
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#23437347 - 07/13/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Phinx6236 said: And with the items I use for this extraction process should I only use for extraction or can it be with items I use everyday after. Or even with smoking if I have a pipe I smoke weed out of everyday sometimes with other people, should I have a different one I smoke dmt out of?
Yea. You might dose your friends my mistake one day, or the pot resin might interfere with your DMT (IMO).
The pots you boil your bark in will be fine to keep using. The bark is used as a red dye, so keep that in mind- you will stain anything you get it on. My GF is still mad about the red spot on our stove 
For the rest of the process, you need glass or acid/base proof plastic, with a safe, leak proffered lid that wont melt. I use half gallon mason jars. You probably should dedicate these to extractions.
You also need a very well ventilated area- if you try this in an apartment the whole floor will be complaining of solvent fumes and strange chemical smells.
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: mushpunx]
#23437824 - 07/13/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why is naptha and bestine better than Iso as solvants?
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#23437837 - 07/13/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Naptha is a fairly selective solvent.
Iso will pull a lot of plant matter that will keep you from yielding crystals almost certainly.
Say you use Mimosa H or Acacia Confusa, both have a lot of secondary alkaloids besides DMT. Using Naptha you may only pull tryptamines where as an iso pull would get a ton of random unwanted stuff. Say you used a less selective solvent like Limonene however, this would pull more of the secondary alkaloids without getting contaminated with plant matter and fats.
That is how people mae "jungle spice" with Mimosa Hostilis, which is essentially a semi pure red colored dmt extract containing lots of other alkaloids.
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: musiclover420]
#23438773 - 07/13/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay I just bought 8 ounces of naphtha how much do you think I would need to do 50 grams of Acacia Confusa using the above items and naphtha
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#23438794 - 07/13/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I personally have no idea, do some digging and maybe you will find some good numbers to go by 
Depending on the size of the jar/ container you use I would imagine 2-4 oz's would be plenty but that is essentially a guess
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: musiclover420]
#23439052 - 07/13/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How long does it take to evaporate the solvent to get the crystals?
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#23439074 - 07/13/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#23439280 - 07/13/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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hinx6236 said: How long does it take to evaporate the solvent to get the crystals?
Hours. I dont evaporate, I freeze precipitate and then just dry off the crystals.
From your questions it sounds like you need to be doing a whole lot more of your own research. I would read, then read some more before you purchase any more supplies or attempt an extraction.
Research! Not to sound like a dick, but even a pretty cursory Google search should yeild an answer to every one of the questions you have posted on the first read through
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#25877357 - 03/16/19 07:02 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I read that gramine can separated using either naptha or limonene at room temperature.
Is there actual percentage of DMT in phalaris arundinacea?
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#25877383 - 03/16/19 07:28 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Phinx6236 said: Okay I just bought 8 ounces of naphtha how much do you think I would need to do 50 grams of Acacia Confusa using the above items and naphtha
Idk what tek are you following... Find a tek bro
Canary reed grass grows across the street from me. It's useless for DMT extraction.
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: bodhisatta]
#25878141 - 03/16/19 02:59 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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sauroman1 said: I read that gramine can separated using either naptha or limonene at room temperature.
Is there actual percentage of DMT in phalaris arundinacea?
I've seen some rough percentages but there have not really been any tests.
The potency of the grass seems to vary considerably though, which makes sense considering how widespread it is.
Been years since I did any research but I remember seeing a rough figure of around 3g~ of impure crystals from a kilo of grass, though it may have been 2-3 kilos. And it would depend on how it's processed.
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Phinx6236 said: Okay I just bought 8 ounces of naphtha how much do you think I would need to do 50 grams of Acacia Confusa using the above items and naphtha
Idk what tek are you following... Find a tek bro
Canary reed grass grows across the street from me. It's useless for DMT extraction.
Ehh definitely not useless, but not as simple as more potent tryptamine plants. Those plants could easily get overused though without sustainable farming as the demand goes up.
There is phalaris with DMT, 5meoDMT, bufotenin, as well as beta carbolines/potential MAOI's.
It grows on every continent except antartica, and there are dozens of varieties of phalaris. So we haven't even tested all of them, for all we know there could be some extra potent varieties out with their own MAOI effects and no gramine (which is mainly in P aquatica I believe)
I've heard a spoonful of pressed "phalaris grass juice" has enough DMT for oral DMT, but then you risk ingesting gramine depending on the kind of phalaris, and grass juice probably tastes foul. But the point is there could be simpler ways to use phalaris without doing a full extraction, but there are absolutely cases of people extracting crystals from phalaris grass with varying yields depending on the methods and type of phalaris.
If a phalaris Tek is ever perfected it would allow literally anyone to extract DMT from their own yard/area, no ordering grey area plants online that could easily get you in legal trouble in many places.
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: musiclover420]
#26337741 - 11/22/19 09:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You harvest the roots. A bunch, dry them out or not. Freeze for 24hrs then thaw 3x to expose the inner chemicals. Then do a basic AB extraction. Its potent, be careful. It's like Dmt and toad venom at same time. Toad venom in a vape is on a whole different level.
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
#26338732 - 11/22/19 06:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't make it complicated, Use an STB tek, I suggest Nature Boy tek. MHRB is 95 a kilo, I get average 2 grams form 100 grams of bark.
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26339479 - 11/23/19 04:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had 0 psychadelic experience and ordered mhrb offline and teked it, ended up being less than a benjamin and had 2g of some beautifully washed DMT. I don't know what having a wife and kids has to do with anything, If your wife isn't supportive of this endeavor, it's not one I would undertake. follow a proper tek online first time around, you might decide DMT isn't for you. definitely not something as social as LSD or mushrooms.
if you can really get a kilo of mhrb for $95 that's totally the route i'd take and am personally looking into doing a STB again lol it was around $50 for 250g back when I bought mine
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