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How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions
    #23427709 - 07/09/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Appearantly canary reed grass grows everywhere in Denver Colorado and I haven't tried any psychedelic yet except small amounts of shrooms and have been intrigued by ayahuasca and dmt for their spiritual implications. I am not sure what would be easier or better for my first trip to extract it and smoke it or make an analogue and drink it. Or even ganja I believe they call it. Or how long they last


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
    #23427715 - 07/09/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think u gotta use like kemicals or sumthin


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Eminence]
    #23427730 - 07/09/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Ive heard It takes so much weight in grass that its not practice to do at home- I also heard there is a chemical in it "gramine" or something that's no Buenos.

Id say you should try using Acacia bark instead


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: mushpunx] * 1
    #23427899 - 07/09/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Please stay away from phalaris especially if you are unexperienced in
extraction and DMT in general.

Phalaris is poisonous and contains gramine which is a neurotoxin known
to cause brain damage and death in sheep. I see tons of these posts in
this forum and the ethno forum. People need to do some research before
they hurt themselves or other people.

Gramine is an indole alkaloid, as is DMT. If you extract DMT, you also
extract gramine. The two can be separated but it takes some chemistry
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23428001 - 07/09/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Anything else easily obtainable in my area that I wouldn't have to order in


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
    #23428022 - 07/09/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Anything else easily obtainable in my area that I wouldn't have to order in





Very doubtful. Just order a little bark man its cheap.. legal  etc


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
    #23428112 - 07/10/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Do you not live with someone who'd be cool with it or something? It really is cheap to order acacia or if Mimosa if you can find a good source. It's not like you're gonna need a big stockpile of DMT so a little of it goes a long way for most people at least


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
    #23428148 - 07/10/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Appearantly canary reed grass grows everywhere in Denver Colorado and I haven't tried any psychedelic yet except small amounts of shrooms and have been intrigued by ayahuasca and dmt for their spiritual implications. I am not sure what would be easier or better for my first trip to extract it and smoke it or make an analogue and drink it. Or even ganja I believe they call it. Or how long they last




do not drink unextracted dmt grasses, the alkaloids and tannins and other shit in there can really mess with your body. (this varies between plant species obviosly)

extractions should be cleaned with thin layer chromatography if the plant is not something like acacia, mimosa or p. virdis.

if you are looking to do a simple extract do the q2121 on mimosa, acacia, or virdis (make sure to defat if you use virdis)


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23428155 - 07/10/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the help guys is it better to smoke it or make a ayahuasca analog?


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Eminence]
    #23428156 - 07/10/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah man I have a wife and kids but I think I can make it work


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
    #23428187 - 07/10/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Thanks for the help guys is it better to smoke it or make a ayahuasca analog?




honestly I extract either way, smoking in the form of changa is great, but aya or pharma is great too (more trial and eroor with this route though.) dose your maoi about 50 min before dosing dmt for maximum potency.

you will go farther with oral in long run, but honestly smoking is best for begginers and is a lot less inconvenient than a 4-5 hour trip.

I atill cannot recommend an an aya analoug with anything besides the three plants I metionaed earlier though (unless you send samples of a brew to an analytical lab and share resulta on something like dmt nexus to make sure there is nothing too harmful. Although this is still probably not great for the body very often, so use unconventional plants infrequently.


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
    #23428192 - 07/10/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I mean smoking it is like taking the 6+ hour trip of aya and condensing it into a few minutes when it comes to intensity I think. Ayahuasca is pretty awesome though but I've only done it a couple times a while back. I prefer changa over both aya and smoking the crystal though. I like a good balance between the two types of experiences


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Eminence]
    #23428304 - 07/10/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What is changa exactly, and what type of acacia is both affordable and potent?


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: Phinx6236]
    #23429111 - 07/10/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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What is changa exactly, and what type of acacia is both affordable and potent?




acacia confusa root bark is probably the best bang for your buck but contains mor nmt than dmt, so it will be slightly less potent and slightly different of an experience (unless it is purified via thin layer chromatography)

Changa is when freebase dmt is dissolved in acetone or some other solvent, layed on to caapi leaf then allowed to dry. When it is smoked it produces longer and more spiritual effects than smoked dmt normally does, not to mention it is much easier to smoke. Dmt can also be layed onto other herbs like marijuana or inactive smokeable herbs, some people also like to add harmala alkaloids to the mix to intensify the experience.

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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23429149 - 07/10/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Gramine is an indole alkaloid, as is DMT. If you extract DMT, you also
extract gramine. The two can be separated but it takes some chemistry
know how. Please look towards a friendlier plant ally for your experience




Actually gramine is non soluble in naphtha to my knowledge so a typical extraction separates them....


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: musiclover420]
    #23429177 - 07/10/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Gramine is an indole alkaloid, as is DMT. If you extract DMT, you also
extract gramine. The two can be separated but it takes some chemistry
know how. Please look towards a friendlier plant ally for your experience




Actually gramine is non soluble in naphtha to my knowledge so a typical extraction separates them....





Well that's good to know if its true.

Mucosa is getting expensive, hard to find. Acacia is gunna get banned someday too.

Grass is renewable, much faster than trees. I think it might take too much weight in grass to make it practical at home tho right? Do you know anything about extracting from grass because I dont


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: musiclover420]
    #23429191 - 07/10/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Gramine is an indole alkaloid, as is DMT. If you extract DMT, you also
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Actually gramine is non soluble in naphtha to my knowledge so a typical extraction separates them....




I never looked into it, but this statement seems correct! (always assumed it was soluble in naptha for some reason.)

Gramine is not soluble in petroleum ether which I believe is the main ingrediant in most naptha brands. Although I would not count on gramine being insoluble in naptha because if I remember correctly naptha is a mixture of multiple hydrocarbon solvents that vary brand to brand.

I would either use pure petroleum ether or a naptha brand that contains only chemicals that gramine is not soluble in (might take some real research though)

please correct me if any of the information above is innacurate.

also there are lots of other compounds to be worried about besides gramine, so with uncommon plants I cannot reccommend taking anything that is not purified with thin layer chromatography, 95% you will be fine with simple extractions, but it is not worth the risk imo.


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23429236 - 07/10/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Grass is renewable, much faster than trees. I think it might take too much weight in grass to make it practical at home tho right? Do you know anything about extracting from grass because I dont





I used to research the subject a lot so I will share what I remember.

I think it was on the Nexus someone claimed to be getting 3~g of impure crystals from each kilo of wild phalaris.

One thing to keep in mind is there are at least 5-10 distinct types of active phalaris some of which mainly if not exclusively contain DMT while others also contain various amounts of 5meo dmt, bufotenin, gramine, hordenine (which occurs in psychedelic cacti) and even beta carbolines possibly with MAOI activity similiar to the harmalas in ayahuasca. Another important factor is genetics as well as time of harvest.

It has been theorized that even in phalaris containing dmt and gramine that at different times of the year the levels of each might switch, IE they could have high levels of dmt after the summer growing season while having high gramine levels in the winter or vice versa. Also as I said genetics play a huge role especially if using wild grass.

I have actually known people in person who claimed to have mild hallucinations from smoking fresh phalaris grass...

As for the actual extraction, phalaris as a grass has lots of plant fats so a traditional extraction with that in mind and little agitation should work.

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please correct me if any of the information above is innacurate.

also there are lots of other compounds to be worried about besides gramine, so with uncommon plants I cannot reccommend taking anything that is not purified with thin layer chromatography, 95% you will be fine with simple extractions, but it is not worth the risk imo.






You could very well be right, I don't know enough about the different things sold as naptha to really say though. As with all things caution is key.

As for the other compounds, what are you referring to? As far as I am aware gramine is the only possibly toxin compound and even that is disputed :shrug:

4-ho dmt or 5meo could be problematic if in high enough amounts but both are just trace alkaloids I believe at least in most phalaris if present at all.

That just leaves the beta carbolines and hordenine which while possibly a bit hard on the body are present in many other plants consumed for thousands of years as entheogens. If anything I believe it supports the case phalaris has potential, if you had the right genetics you could theoretically make a grass only ayahuasca with your beta carbolines for MAOI activity then your either gramine free dmt grass tea or extracted material to consume.

With enough breeding one could even make higher 5meo dmt or 4ho dmt strains to use for distinct effects.


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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: musiclover420]
    #23429499 - 07/10/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmm I have always heard that as an indole with a very similar chemical
structure to DMT that it would come out with the final product. It seems
that some more research in needed on my end but I still would find a
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Re: How do you extract dmt from phalaris arundinacea (canary reed grass) questions [Re: musiclover420]
    #23429526 - 07/10/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As for the other compounds, what are you referring to? As far as I am aware gramine is the only possibly toxin compound and even that is disputed :shrug:




I should have made it clear that I am not specifically talking about phalaris grasses when I was saying that. I have not been actively researching phalaris news so my knowledge is limited, last time I checked information seemed inconsistent, but I'm sure in the past few months things have became more clear.

My advice was geared more towards dmt containing plants that have little or no quality information about extractions and purity.

Phalaris was at one point in this catagory, but based off of the information you have brought it seems like a much more reasonable option for average extraction tek follower.


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