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ChristopherABrown
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: quinn]
#23467278 - 07/22/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I not think you are alone. In fact the isolation is by design of media manipulation using semiotics.
Keep in mind, America has very little real culture with a sense of time establishing it. Lots of society, but few groups that are focusing on needs, and that is what culture is really about. I speak from being one who greatly engages a quasi culture where commodity is dictated and economy is king. You'll find that in true culture, money kind of disappears in close, functional relationships.
About the time a human being has to type online to find like minds, culture really changes, eventually. Break the 100th monkey mold on fears about approaching people, sharing joy, moment by moment in appreciation of our shared experience.
For example the hard edged reference to culture came about 30 years ago in my thinking. As time has passed, I've learned to understand it better. Our basic psychology is pretty manipulated, so definition of common ground which is not contrived, is the key to re coming culture.
To start that logical list of vital priorities, long term and short term must be created and refined between rational people with at least average, legal social status. That list are the fundaments if community. It can be refined by adding more people for reasoned diversity based in needs.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23472962 - 07/24/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Culture IS society. Culture is not some sanctioned sophisticated belief that only smart people share...it is the totality of human thought. Culture is not just the good, but also the bad and all that comes with it.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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ChristopherABrown
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: Huehuecoyotl] 1
#23473133 - 07/24/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: Culture IS society. Culture is not some sanctioned sophisticated belief that only smart people share...it is the totality of human thought. Culture is not just the good, but also the bad and all that comes with it.
The meanings of words are important, not just complexities to bounce around. Culture is about cultivation. Ancient Europeans made the word to describe people working together in ways of greater harmony with all of the processes of cultivation.
Sanctioned originates with "sanctified", insanity means "unsanctified".
Sophisticated: (of a person, ideas, tastes, manners, etc.) altered by education, experience, etc., so as to be worldly-wise; not naive: a sophisticated young socialite; the sophisticated eye of a journalist. pleasing or satisfactory to the tastes of sophisticates: sophisticated music. deceptive; misleading. complex or intricate, as a system, process, piece of machinery, or the like: a sophisticated electronic control system. of, for, or reflecting educated taste, knowledgeable use, etc.: ________ I'm not all about semantics, not by any means, but understanding is important, and words do have specific meanings.
There has been a tremendous amount of manipulation of our language, uses of it and perceptions of meanings. One of the most devastating to functional understanding is cognitive distortions. TV taught them for 40 years; game shows, sitcoms, dramas, soap operas, etc. and 2 generations have used them as if they were real and functional for critical thinking. They are not. Critical thinking cannot be done with distortions.
Cognitive therapists developed a list that was used in therapy for people who's were not happy with their perceived existence. Psychology determined that they were using distortions in processing their perceptions. Cognitive distortions can be learned through linguistic practices and they become invisible.
COGNITIVE DISTORTIONS
1. All or nothing thinking: Things are placed in black or white categories. If things are less than perfect self is viewed as failure.
2. Over generalization: Single event is viewed as continuous failure.
3. Mental filter: Details in life (positive or negative) are amplified in importance while opposite is rejected.
4. Minimizing: Perceiving one or opposite experiences (positive or negative) as absolute and maintaining singularity of belief to one or the other.
5. Mind reading: One absolutely concludes that others are reacting positively or negatively without investigating reality.
6. Fortune Telling: Based on previous 5 distortions, anticipation of negative or positive outcome of situations is established
7. Catastrophizing: Exaggerated importance of self's failures and others successes.
8. Emotional reasoning: One feels as though emotional state IS reality of situation.
9. "Should" statements: Self imposed rules about behavior creating guilt at self inability to adhere and anger at others in their inability to conform to self's rules.
10. Labeling: Instead of understanding errors over generalization is applied.
11. Personalization: Thinking that the actions or statements of others are a reaction to you.
12. Entitlement: Believing that you deserve things you have not earned.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23480614 - 07/26/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great point bringing up cognitive distortions!
When I explore my emotional disturbances, they always fall into one of these categories.
I often "should" all over myself. I can tell when I do because I stink!
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23480661 - 07/26/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Great point bringing up cognitive distortions!
When I explore my emotional disturbances, they always fall into one of these categories.
I often "should" all over myself. I can tell when I do because I stink!
should and can't are two of the worst words in any language
-------------------- channel your inner Larry David
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: demiu5]
#23480668 - 07/26/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You shouldn't use the word "worst" as it implies badness.
Good and bad are figments of our imagination.
Crap, there I go again!
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23480827 - 07/26/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: You shouldn't use the word "worst" as it implies badness.
Good and bad are figments of our imagination.
Crap, there I go again!
[indiscriminate] judgement is an [almost] inevitable fraction of a specific language set, as much as one may try to avoid it
but you're point is well taken.
-------------------- channel your inner Larry David
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ChristopherABrown
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: demiu5]
#23482650 - 07/27/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Great point bringing up cognitive distortions!
When I explore my emotional disturbances, they always fall into one of these categories.
I often "should" all over myself. I can tell when I do because I stink!
Good to find someone that appreciates what clarity might do, if we use it.
There has been a concerted effort by producers to select productions and scripts, writers, editors, directors etc. that will easily implement the desired distortions since 1979 when the first degrees in semiotics were given out. There is no in my mind that this is a massive conspiracy covering all media.
But conspiracies cannot be discussed here.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: demiu5]
#23486595 - 07/28/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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demiu5 said:
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RJ Tubs 202 said: You shouldn't use the word "worst" as it implies badness.
Good and bad are figments of our imagination.
Crap, there I go again!
[indiscriminate] judgement is an [almost] inevitable fraction of a specific language set, as much as one may try to avoid it
but you're point is well taken.

I don't advocate trying to avoid or get rid of the judgmental mind.
Just to regard it as the meaningless random thought generator that it is.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone *DELETED* [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23487136 - 07/28/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by Signeg (08/01/16 07:59 AM)
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: Signeg]
#23487403 - 07/28/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, as was stated earlier, you simply cannot avoid culture.
If your denying mainstream culture, you still belong to "counter-culture" .
If your totally novel, you will influence your own culture.
-------------------- zen by age ten times six hundred lifetimes Light up the darkness.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: Signeg]
#23487759 - 07/28/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Signeg said:
Our judgement comes from our perception... They only matter if they are influenced by reality. Your opinion doesn't matter if it has nothing to do with reality. Which is 99% of peoples opinions. Lol.
I guess I don't trust my perceptions very much.
No matter how much reality I think I'm in touch with, it's still MY version of reality.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23497164 - 07/31/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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These quotes fit well here
“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.” - C.G. Jung
"Becoming an ego is painful. Hardly anyone finds his ego prior to the middle of his life. Then most people remain stuck in it and become hardened in it. The still more painful process of ego-transcendence with all its crisis and relapses is accomplished by only a few. But it is just this ego-transcendence that is the decisive task of human life." ~Jean Gebser 1955~
"If there is something that we can't see then we are not in the condition to come to final estimations of the worlds in which we live. If we cannot see beyond the physical... And there is something beyond the physical, it becomes more or less probable that whatever it is that we don't see is the cause of that which we do see. This is an irritating thought but still you can't completely disregard it."
Edited by Signeg (08/01/16 07:57 AM)
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