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beforethedawn
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Totally signing out of culture and going it alone 1
#23425629 - 07/09/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Many of us here are in this position, yeah?
I don't watch TV, I don't listen to radio, I only socialise with selected people that are not part of the culture (so much - they are open-minded).
I made the decision to totally drop out.
And I have found a whole other, living world.
Culture is a total scam, they're all being screwed.
I'm not bitter or angry, it's just the facts.
What say you?
Is culture an intelligence test?
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: beforethedawn]
#23425648 - 07/09/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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And I have found a whole other, living world.
please explain more in detail what you mean by this?
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: zzripz]
#23425661 - 07/09/16 04:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by Signeg (07/10/16 08:14 PM)
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beforethedawn
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: Signeg]
#23425677 - 07/09/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Brilliant stuff Signeg.
zzripz - I don't know how to phrase it. I've been saying stuff like "reality is multidimensional" but is that really what you need to hear right now? I mean there's got to be a better way to put it.
Reality is not what culture thinks it is, at all... It's a living experience, waiting for you to tune into what it's doing.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: beforethedawn]
#23425698 - 07/09/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Signeg


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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: beforethedawn]
#23425700 - 07/09/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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"He who does not seek it is not likely to find it" - Paracelsus
Edited by Signeg (07/09/16 06:04 AM)
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: beforethedawn] 3
#23425734 - 07/09/16 06:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said: Many of us here are in this position, yeah?
I don't watch TV, I don't listen to radio, I only socialise with selected people that are not part of the culture (so much - they are open-minded).
I made the decision to totally drop out.
And I have found a whole other, living world.
Culture is a total scam, they're all being screwed.
I'm not bitter or angry, it's just the facts.
What say you?
Is culture an intelligence test?
you have externalized every fault in "failing to notice nature" to the pervasive culture, and proposed a solution to drop out.
the actual solution to not noticing nature is to pay attention to nature.
you have to build on your ability to concentrate, and stop blaming external forces for the wandering of your mind.
culture (not macdonald's and macy's) is a huge source of inspiration, beauty, and wisdom. wherever you go, however, you need to continue to exercise your mental faculties or they will atrophy and weaken.
stay sharp. drop in not out.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: redgreenvines]
#23425739 - 07/09/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
the actual solution to not noticing nature is to pay attention to nature.
you have to build on your ability to concentrate, and stop blaming external forces for the wandering of your mind.
This is really good advice.
Edited by Signeg (07/09/16 06:30 AM)
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: beforethedawn]
#23426911 - 07/09/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said: Many of us here are in this position, yeah?
I don't watch TV, I don't listen to radio, I only socialise with selected people that are not part of the culture (so much - they are open-minded).
I made the decision to totally drop out.
And I have found a whole other, living world.
Culture is a total scam, they're all being screwed.
I'm not bitter or angry, it's just the facts.
What say you?
Is culture an intelligence test?
Yes, only the dummies need apply.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: beforethedawn] 2
#23426981 - 07/09/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're never free from culture, that's why culture is as powerful as it is. Even if you camped in the desert by yourself for the rest of your life, the culture that you were raised in would influence you forever in ways you don't even realize.
Edited by nooneman (07/09/16 03:47 PM)
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: nooneman]
#23426995 - 07/09/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nooneman said: You're never free from culture, that's why culture is as powerful as it is. Even if you camped in the desert by yourself for the rest of your life, the culture that you were raised in would influence you forever in ways you don't even realize.
Seems the denial by OP as to his lack of totally signing out by posting this may prove your point.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: nooneman]
#23427042 - 07/09/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nooneman said: You're never free from culture, that's why culture is as powerful as it is. Even if you camped in the desert by yourself for the rest of your life, the culture that you were raised in would influence you forever in ways you don't even realize.
That's totally correct. Culture is a system of thought, and once inside this system it is, basically, impossible to get out. Once you think you're out, it's just another part of the same system. Culture is the shared mental contents of a given society, and if you're enmeshed in it through the age of two or three, your brain is permanently wired on that frequency, in essence.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23427059 - 07/09/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmm okay I can dig that
I certainly have improved on the way we think though?
I rely primarily on intuition, and see various dimensions of perception.
Things my culture has no idea about
But I certainly speak Australian words, behave in Australian ways, it's true
I guess I meant global culture?
Or from this point, taking over my life?
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I guess what I'm proposing is TOTAL SELF-RELIANCE? But with whatever remants of the culture that keep the flow going
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Edited by beforethedawn (07/09/16 04:20 PM)
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23427073 - 07/09/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said:
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nooneman said: You're never free from culture, that's why culture is as powerful as it is. Even if you camped in the desert by yourself for the rest of your life, the culture that you were raised in would influence you forever in ways you don't even realize.
That's totally correct. Culture is a system of thought, and once inside this system it is, basically, impossible to get out. Once you think you're out, it's just another part of the same system. Culture is the shared mental contents of a given society, and if you're enmeshed in it through the age of two or three, your brain is permanently wired on that frequency, in essence.
The fact that there are about 20 million So Cal folks essentially camped in the desert with their own culture of denial about that fact is interesting to me. The fact that the weather controllers are doing their bit, the dumping of fresh water into the ocean is doing it's bit, and the fact that the drought isn't going away or worse, the population keeps growing will make this come to a head. The fact that fracking is making the water in parts even more polluted is another contributor. So my point is that the culture may say turn on the tap and wash your car and fill your pool but when the water is not there then the culture may change even though ingrained.
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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/09/16 04:22 PM)
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23427137 - 07/09/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: if you're enmeshed in it through the age of two or three, your brain is permanently wired on that frequency, in essence.
Bullshit.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: viktor]
#23427166 - 07/09/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you want to 'drop out'
probably you are dropping out from money as the main system of exchange
native peoples in some parts of the world are already there
I'm sure it's not nirvana, ( that's a little subtler)
but it may feel more humane
however I strongly suspect
appropriate survival skills are necessary
so the proverbial wisdom would be: look before you leap
also something about preparation ... I suppose?
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: viktor]
#23427311 - 07/09/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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viktor said:
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DividedQuantum said: if you're enmeshed in it through the age of two or three, your brain is permanently wired on that frequency, in essence.
Bullshit.
What language do you speak and think in? Language, for one example I can name, is instrumental in determining our thoughts. Are you exempt from this? You call bullshit, but I call bullshit on that. You're not as different as you think you are.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23427580 - 07/09/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I speak in English, Swedish, German and Maori. I don't think in any language, why would I?
I call bullshit on the assertion that the brain is permanently wired to the culture that one spends the first three years in. That goes against everything known to psychological science about neuroplasticity.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: viktor]
#23427642 - 07/09/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't mean to exclude the possibility of plasticity, you're absolutely right -- the brain is exceedingly plastic. Perhaps my language was a little strong, but the fact is that most of the environmental wiring of the brain takes place in the first three years of life. Whatever changes take place after that are bound to exist within that system to some degree. Many people spend their entire lives trying to undo that wiring, and most of them are unsuccessful.
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Re: Totally signing out of culture and going it alone [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23428555 - 07/10/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: I didn't mean to exclude the possibility of plasticity, you're absolutely right -- the brain is exceedingly plastic. Perhaps my language was a little strong, but the fact is that most of the environmental wiring of the brain takes place in the first three years of life. Whatever changes take place after that are bound to exist within that system to some degree. Many people spend their entire lives trying to undo that wiring, and most of them are unsuccessful.
Isn't culture a bit more subtle than the "environmental wiring" in the first three years? Do kids even get out and experience culture by that age? Maybe their early experience is dependent on their parents treatment than a general cultural education?
I think once we finish elementary school, we are mostly brainwashed and taught to be little obedient soldiers in that culture of educational "learning".
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