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ShagadelicNeurons
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Opionions on a materialistic soul? *DELETED*
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viktor
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It's possible that a soul, if it existed, would be a similar thing to a frequency of consciousness.
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Re: Opionions on a materialistic soul? [Re: viktor]
#23425388 - 07/09/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aren't material things energy or consciousness taking on a solidified form for a time? what material thing endures eternally?
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Re: Opionions on a materialistic soul? [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#23425420 - 07/09/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What if we and eternity existed independently as it is being reflected into our eyes right now?
And we weren't just observers, but actual participants within it? What if memory recall serves no purpose?
You know where you are right now. Relative to everything else. Do you identify with your eyes? Or with sight? Do you hear? Or listen?
Freedom isn't years away. But right now. Behind a door. Behind you.
We're relative to eternity.
Your memory isn't important. Only that can ever die. Only that ever kills.
You never stay anywhere. You are where you've always been. Inside looking outside. Outside isn't you.
How will we ever experience if we spend all our energy remembering and planning?
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Re: Opionions on a materialistic soul? [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#23425534 - 07/09/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: Aren't material things energy or consciousness taking on a solidified form for a time? what material thing endures eternally?
Dunno, sometimes it seems to me that consciousness and matter are two poles of a reality spectrum. Energy is somewhere in between, as is mind.
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Re: Opionions on a materialistic soul? [Re: viktor]
#23425672 - 07/09/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've seen material as "physically existent", whether it be energy in form of atomic energy, or even a consciousness neural network like the human brain, energy isn't destroyed it just changes into another form, and forgive the typo in the subject, "opinions"****
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A personality is not real, it is our ego, and it forces us to wear a mask in order to maintain our public image so that we can continue to depend on other people.
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ShagadelicNeurons said: I like to imagine that the soul is more our personality and neural make up, projected into some form of agnostic energy that could be considered a soul? Like the ideology of neuroplasticity, perceptual stimulus is retrieved by the sense organs, which creates information that is conceived by mental procedures like thought, emotion which then creates reaction to make a proposition on how stimuli is perceived in the human mind, which shapes individual personality, then possibly the final product is manufactured through death, the "soul" is then an entire lifetimes assembly of the structure of soul, like a similar ideology to karma in a large portion of religions.
But is this soul materialistic? does it exist as energy or an entity? I find it to be an agnostic question.
Soul is Psyche, NOT Soma. It is your conception which is pre-eminently materialistic. I think it is a philosophical error to use neuroscience to shore up an ancient and non-scientific (not pre-scientific) concept of consciousness. Agnostic is the opposite of gnostic. The former means 'I don't know' by virtue of the negating prefix 'a,' where gnostic mean 'I know.' Gnosis is intuitive knowledge as opposed to episteme which is intellectual knowledge acquired empirically. "Agnostic energy" does not make sense to me. Personality is an aspect of the 'lower soul' in most of the philosophical-religious systems which, like the lower stages of a multistage rocket, are jettisoned at death.
Soul is not substantial, non-spacial, and non-temporal. It is not some thing which resides in the body (being non-spacio-temporal). Better to think that the body resides in soul, only this is not accurate either since soul is unextended in space-time, it cannot 'contain' a body either. One must grok a relationship between mind-body which is neither monistic and pantheistic, or one of dualism. If you are attempting to avoid theism by mixing in the word "agnostic," because of theism's unfortunate mythological and anthropomorphic descriptions, consider the concept of panentheism. Naturally, when discussing 'soul,' it dovetails into a concept of God. This is unavoidable except in the most primitive atomistic ideas of Greek philosophies such as found in Epicureanism or Stoicism. The interface of being with Being is a historically complex one, but everyone will have to assume a stance either materialistic or idealistic - the embodied being either produces or receives consciousness (to reduce the stance to a 0/1 dichotomy), respectively. Personally, I do not see consciousness as an emergent phenomena of cellular processes, an epiphenomenon of Purkinje or Pyramidal neurons like Beta and Epsilon cells in the pancreas produce insulin, amylin, ghrelin, etc.
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Well material means a thing..and a thing has substance for example..
Are we as a Soul..a Thing? Yes!..Are we as a soul a substance? Maybe!!
Are we as a soul some type of material? Well it could be true possibly...depending on what restrictions you put on the definition of material..
Thus..do we find that we are indeed a type of material..and so is everything else..and not us at all..plus the one thing which is that materialism..includes abstractions..and mental thinking..souls and consciousness...these ARE objects...and thats the Buddha!
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ShagadelicNeurons said: I like to imagine that the soul is more our personality and neural make up, projected into some form of agnostic energy that could be considered a soul? Like the ideology of neuroplasticity, perceptual stimulus is retrieved by the sense organs, which creates information that is conceived by mental procedures like thought, emotion which then creates reaction to make a proposition on how stimuli is perceived in the human mind, which shapes individual personality, then possibly the final product is manufactured through death, the "soul" is then an entire lifetimes assembly of the structure of soul, like a similar ideology to karma in a large portion of religions.
But is this soul materialistic? does it exist as energy or an entity? I find it to be an agnostic question.
From an opinionated and biological perspective relating to the structure and function of the human nervous system a materialistic 'soul' that defines humans from animals is made up of two parts, the body and the mind.
The mind is governed by the CNS and it is the control centre of a human, it holds our emotions, thoughts and personality.
The body is governed by the PNS and it controls heart rate/blood pressure and digestion.
The mind is a part of the body but they're not the same thing. The body feels sensations and the mind processes those sensations.
CNS = soul/mind/spirit/conscience/morality PNS = body/intuition/fight or flight/sensation

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