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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods] * 2
    #23425109 - 07/08/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/06/i-was-a-st-louis-cop-my-peers-were-racist-and-violent-and-theres-only-one-fix/

This is what happens when you abuse a community for decades. Hopefully cops will wake up and realize they are the problem.





when will blacks wake up and realize they are also part of the problem
when will liberals wake up and realize they are also part of the problem
when will conservatives wake up and realize they are also part of the problem

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23425115 - 07/08/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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how is that acceptable that an entire public sector just stops working to protest criticism from their boss who was elected by the people.? There is no accountability and the police think and act like they are above everything.




Well technically, they are. But that's part of the problem you see.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23425116 - 07/08/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Look what happens when Politicians try to enact changes. Just the mere criticism of the police by the mayor of New York resulted a month long near shutdown of policing. Cops essentially stopped doing their jobs for a month. Citations were down by over 90%






isnt the police not doing what police do what you wanted? is that not change?

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23425117 - 07/08/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Whoa, pris is right.....

Hes on to something!!!


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Plain]
    #23425120 - 07/08/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Whoa, pris is right.....





always

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23425122 - 07/08/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Being able to publicly get away with murder, while maintaining employment seems fairly above most people. To me anyways :cookiemonster:

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #23425125 - 07/08/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Look what happens when Politicians try to enact changes. Just the mere criticism of the police by the mayor of New York resulted a month long near shutdown of policing. Cops essentially stopped doing their jobs for a month. Citations were down by over 90%






isnt the police not doing what police do what you wanted? is that not change?



The police should do their jobs legally. They shouldn't have free reign to violate people's rights. They shouldn't be allowed to breed corruption.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23425126 - 07/08/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Being able to publicly get away with murder, while maintaining employment seems fairly above most people. To me anyways :cookiemonster:





you call it murder because you refuse to accept the facts of criminal behavior and
the police response

that makes you part of the problem

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23425129 - 07/08/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Look what happens when Politicians try to enact changes. Just the mere criticism of the police by the mayor of New York resulted a month long near shutdown of policing. Cops essentially stopped doing their jobs for a month. Citations were down by over 90%






isnt the police not doing what police do what you wanted? is that not change?



The police should do their jobs legally. They shouldn't have free reign to violate people's rights. They shouldn't be allowed to breed corruption.





is the place to fight that in the streets or in the courts?

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23425134 - 07/08/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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If police related shootings spike now, I think you will start to see federal oversight of police departments across the country. I think it's about time that happens anyways, but people are paying attention and they know the context of these events.

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cops have spoken out against abuse of power,



I'd really like to see evidence of this statement. I'm not talking about the chief of police right after a controversial shooting, but regular cops standing up to corruption and abuse. i think this almost never happens, and the cases where it has, things don't work out very well for that cop. They are often punished in some way.

This story is an example:
http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent?act=2#act-2




"federal oversight of police departments across the country"

Your you joking?  We need to change the laws, most importantly the drug laws.  How in the world are you going to change policing tactics when we can't even get weed legal?

This is bigger than trying to micro-managing every police department in the US, change the laws and the over policing of US citizens!




We've been trying but in case you haven't noticed there's an evil cabal in control of the world for a couple thousand years... they are getting purged though so it's all good.




Well, I'm sorry that you feel there's no hope for better laws and law enforcement tactics.

Humans are evil in many ways, especially the one's in power, do you want to just bitch about that human trait or maybe try and make the best of it?
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Being able to publicly get away with murder, while maintaining employment seems fairly above most people. To me anyways :cookiemonster:




Did they want to get a job to murder people and get away with it? No, that's not how it works.

Why don't the critics of law enforcement become cops and change everything?

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23425135 - 07/08/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

the streets, because they will kill you before you get to court or kill you in court


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman]
    #23425138 - 07/08/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Why don't the critics of law enforcement become cops and change everything?





as i've told them many times, join the PD and show them how it should be done

their vitriol is useless until they prove there's a better way

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23425142 - 07/08/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Its not so black and white, a lot of the murders are arguably caused by excessive use of force, some of them are demonstrably murder, but to lump all the people shot by cops into one category and try to generalize the problem based on that context isnt seeing the whole picture. Sure there are instances where the use of force was totally justified, but what people are really seeking is a balanced use of it and that isnt being given. Instead a crushing air of oppression is being generated in response and their behaviours are getting more and more hostile.

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23425145 - 07/08/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Why don't the critics of law enforcement become cops and change everything?





as i've told them many times, join the PD and show them how it's done




And guess what? It's already happen a thousands times over, our police force is a refection of US culture. :shrug:

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Shroomism]
    #23425147 - 07/08/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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the streets, because they will kill you before you get to court or kill you in court





so why arent there a million murders per yer if no one makes it to court, why are the jails and prisons packed with criminals that had their day in court?


now carry your ass out there and start shooting cops, report back when you've killed them all

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman]
    #23425151 - 07/08/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Why don't the critics of law enforcement become cops and change everything?





as i've told them many times, join the PD and show them how it's done




And guess what? It's already happen a thousands times over, our police force is a refection of US culture. :shrug:





is that why they've become militarized, because the bleeding heart liberals have
decided that killing people in the streets is how things get accomplished?

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23425154 - 07/08/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It just fucking amazes me that conservatives - the people who talk about the danger of tyrannical government - are completely blind to the fact that the an unaccountable police force that feels practically free to violate people's rights is exactly what tyranny looks like.

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Look what happens when Politicians try to enact changes. Just the mere criticism of the police by the mayor of New York resulted a month long near shutdown of policing. Cops essentially stopped doing their jobs for a month. Citations were down by over 90%






isnt the police not doing what police do what you wanted? is that not change?



The police should do their jobs legally. They shouldn't have free reign to violate people's rights. They shouldn't be allowed to breed corruption.





is the place to fight that in the streets or in the courts?



Pris. It is very difficult to fight something in the courts when the people you are fighting have corrupted the criminal justice system to serve their own needs. Criminal cases involving the police are so rare because the police control criminal investigations. Meanwhile, civil cases which have no criminal liability continue to rack up judgments left and right. NYC has paid out a BILLION dollars in settlements over the past few years.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Shroomism]
    #23425157 - 07/08/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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the streets, because they will kill you before you get to court or kill you in court





Let me know how that works out  :goodluckwiththat:


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23425160 - 07/08/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Pris. It is very difficult to fight something in the courts when the people you are fighting have corrupted the criminal justice system to serve their own needs.





so the juries, people such as me and you are the corrupt ones?

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23425161 - 07/08/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I meant figuratively they will kill you in court. Cause I mean the courts always takes a fair and unbiased approach and they never take the cops word for gold amirite? Sure go ahead and waste your family fortune in legal fees to fight the state and lose..


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