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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23424894 - 07/08/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Reading the 12 shot 5 dead update on the thread made me really happy inside, liek really happy. I hope this happens with some sort of regularity now whenever they kill someone.




You're young and angry, you really don't want this too increase in regularity, it's not a battle the "resistance" can win, no chance in hell.

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23424915 - 07/08/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

@Shroomism: I'm not watching all that, I never implied I don't think some cases are unjustified, I was just making sure if Koods acknowledges that a lot are. Other countries (in the western world) have an easier time dealing with their crime probably because America is crazy as hell compared to them.

@Bodhi: Since you think it makes sense to kill cops in retaliation for something a cop halfway across the country did, what do you think the good cops should do? Some cops have a genuine interest in helping their communities you know, and cops have spoken out against abuse of power, but they don't seem to get enough recognition for it. Do you really think a cop is a cop plain and simple and even if he's never used excessive force or otherwise abused his power, and is an asset to his community, he's just another target because he wears the same uniform as the cops that fuck up? Because really, that would make you no better than the cops you say target black people.

And it's already been said multiple times, but this didn't help anything, it's only gonna make things much worse.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman] * 1
    #23424921 - 07/08/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Reading the 12 shot 5 dead update on the thread made me really happy inside, liek really happy. I hope this happens with some sort of regularity now whenever they kill someone.




You're young and angry, you really don't want this too increase in regularity, it's not a battle the "resistance" can win, no chance in hell.




Sad state for humanity.

I envy those humans in the future that get to experience the human race collectively spreading love, and to traveling space together in an existence of peace. Humankind is so far from that existence :frown:. At the same time I know we can live like that, because I feel love 99% of the day for everyone. Death by hatred, some humans are taking steps backwards.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman] * 1
    #23424935 - 07/08/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If police related shootings spike now, I think you will start to see federal oversight of police departments across the country. I think it's about time that happens anyways, but people are paying attention and they know the context of these events.

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cops have spoken out against abuse of power,



I'd really like to see evidence of this statement. I'm not talking about the chief of police right after a controversial shooting, but regular cops standing up to corruption and abuse. i think this almost never happens, and the cases where it has, things don't work out very well for that cop. They are often punished in some way.

This story is an example:
http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent?act=2#act-2


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23424954 - 07/08/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's long, I'll watch it later. But are you really implying there's no such thing as a cop with good intentions? Because that's just moronic.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23424961 - 07/08/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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If police related shootings spike now, I think you will start to see federal oversight of police departments across the country. I think it's about time that happens anyways, but people are paying attention and they know the context of these events.

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cops have spoken out against abuse of power,



I'd really like to see evidence of this statement. I'm not talking about the chief of police right after a controversial shooting, but regular cops standing up to corruption and abuse. i think this almost never happens, and the cases where it has, things don't work out very well for that cop. They are often punished in some way.

This story is an example:
http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent?act=2#act-2




"federal oversight of police departments across the country"

Your you joking?  We need to change the laws, most importantly the drug laws.  How in the world are you going to change policing tactics when we can't even get weed legal?

This is bigger than trying to micro-managing every police department in the US, change the laws and the over policing of US citizens!

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23424989 - 07/08/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The FOP cold called me up some years ago I think in part because I had previously donated money to the Fire Department. They wanted money for a kids community program or something.

I was just getting over paying some probation fees and I told the guy that no I didn't think I was going to donate and he got all pissed off. He was like, "What is it you don't like? The cops or the children?"

I just told him I felt like I'd given enough money to the police over the years, lol.

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman]
    #23424991 - 07/08/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Its completely different because it involves the police. They operate as a fraternity and their homogeneity is blatantly obvious to anyone who takes a serious look at them. Only a complete moron would try to link high fiving these shooters to praising Orlandos. What is clear is that the government is taking absolutely no action to curb the violence these cops are meting out to the population, disproportionately the black population. They kill people without cause and without repercussion, and they do operate as a cohesive unit. With no other clear options what do you have left? Some pathetic bleating and begging for mercy? No way jose





"operate as a cohesive unit"

You give them too much credit, it they don't stick together there's no point of taking the insane job of policing.

Do you suggest they rat themselves out for no reason other than to put themselves at a major disadvantage once they patrol the streets the next day?

Many of you guys ignore basic human behavior, no one's going to take this risky job without getting a MASSIVE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT!




As Koods mentioned earlier they project the image of a monolithic force willingly, they operate no differently then an army in a lot of instances and they identify them selves as a fraternity. They also operate on federal laws which cover the entire country and all precincts operate in the same basic manner and have the same freedoms of operation that the establishment imparts on them. One of which is the ability to kill freely and without justifiable cause. If a few of the better ones end up getting shot oh well. Popping that badge on is totally optional.

Im also slightly confused on the rat themselves out part. What do you mean by that?

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman]
    #23424994 - 07/08/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
If police related shootings spike now, I think you will start to see federal oversight of police departments across the country. I think it's about time that happens anyways, but people are paying attention and they know the context of these events.

Quote:

cops have spoken out against abuse of power,



I'd really like to see evidence of this statement. I'm not talking about the chief of police right after a controversial shooting, but regular cops standing up to corruption and abuse. i think this almost never happens, and the cases where it has, things don't work out very well for that cop. They are often punished in some way.

This story is an example:
http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent?act=2#act-2




"federal oversight of police departments across the country"

Your you joking?  We need to change the laws, most importantly the drug laws.  How in the world are you going to change policing tactics when we can't even get weed legal?

This is bigger than trying to micro-managing every police department in the US, change the laws and the over policing of US citizens!




We've been trying but in case you haven't noticed there's an evil cabal in control of the world for a couple thousand years... they are getting purged though so it's all good.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Shroomism]
    #23425018 - 07/08/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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koods said:
If police related shootings spike now, I think you will start to see federal oversight of police departments across the country. I think it's about time that happens anyways, but people are paying attention and they know the context of these events.

Quote:

cops have spoken out against abuse of power,



I'd really like to see evidence of this statement. I'm not talking about the chief of police right after a controversial shooting, but regular cops standing up to corruption and abuse. i think this almost never happens, and the cases where it has, things don't work out very well for that cop. They are often punished in some way.

This story is an example:
http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent?act=2#act-2




"federal oversight of police departments across the country"

Your you joking?  We need to change the laws, most importantly the drug laws.  How in the world are you going to change policing tactics when we can't even get weed legal?

This is bigger than trying to micro-managing every police department in the US, change the laws and the over policing of US citizens!




We've been trying but in case you haven't noticed there's an evil cabal in control of the world for a couple thousand years... they are getting purged though so it's all good.




Well, I'm sorry that you feel there's no hope for better laws and law enforcement tactics.

Humans are evil in many ways, especially the one's in power, do you want to just bitch about that human trait or maybe try and make the best of it?

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman] * 1
    #23425039 - 07/08/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Good that purges evil, then becomes the evil that needs purged.

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: vandago] * 2
    #23425049 - 07/08/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Even though Im taking this radical stance I cant help but admit that its unlikely to be constructive in the long term and is more of a reaction borne out of anger rather then reason.

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23425051 - 07/08/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

At least you're able to admit that


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman] * 1
    #23425071 - 07/08/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I am making the best of it. That's why I'm here. To watch them fall and help rebuild.. something different.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Shroomism]
    #23425075 - 07/08/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

At this point its just edging towards total collapse. Buckle up bitches.

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
    #23425079 - 07/08/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It's long, I'll watch it later. But are you really implying there's no such thing as a cop with good intentions? Because that's just moronic.



Yes, there are cops with good intentions. Listen to that story, and you'll see what happens to them.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23425085 - 07/08/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

It's always possible that we could all just magically change and make everything all better.
But that's not that likely due to the existing power structure, they are resisting it with every ounce of their being, even though it's inevitable.
Shit is going to have to hit the fan first, literally and figuratively..  for real change to occur I think.
Let's hope I'm wrong?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #23425087 - 07/08/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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The FOP cold called me up some years ago I think in part because I had previously donated money to the Fire Department. They wanted money for a kids community program or something.

I was just getting over paying some probation fees and I told the guy that no I didn't think I was going to donate and he got all pissed off. He was like, "What is it you don't like? The cops or the children?"

I just told him I felt like I'd given enough money to the police over the years, lol.



The FOP is awful when it comes to intimidation tactics. If you're a cop and you don't tow the line, the FOP will destroy you.

It's pretty ironic that a lot of the problems we have with the police are due to a public service union. I though conservatives hated those.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Shroomism]
    #23425102 - 07/08/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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It's always possible that we could all just magically change and make everything all better.
But that's not that likely due to the existing power structure, they are resisting it with every ounce of their being, even though it's inevitable.
Shit is going to have to hit the fan first, literally and figuratively..  for real change to occur I think.
Let's hope I'm wrong?




I dont, one thing that always chilled me was the way Obama casually mentioned that "the death of the republic has never looked better" During his final address. Thats such a serious suggestion to poise upon his exit. The behaviour of the establishment only lends it credibility. Hopefully it does change, but individually we can only do so much. Its such a massive tide to fight.

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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #23425104 - 07/08/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
It's always possible that we could all just magically change and make everything all better.
But that's not that likely due to the existing power structure, they are resisting it with every ounce of their being, even though it's inevitable.
Shit is going to have to hit the fan first, literally and figuratively..  for real change to occur I think.
Let's hope I'm wrong?



Look what happens when Politicians try to enact changes. Just the mere criticism of the police by the mayor of New York resulted a month long near shutdown of policing. Cops essentially stopped doing their jobs for a month. Citations were down by over 90%

how is that acceptable that an entire public sector just stops working to protest criticism from their boss who was elected by the people.? There is no accountability and the police think and act like they are above everything.


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