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Re: Ego death. [Re: Ulyssies]
    #23431264 - 07/11/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Wait you had an ego death, or you hallucinated that you were dieing?




I'd agree with the fractaloctopus on that one. In fact there's a similar comment in another thread:

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fractaloctopus wrote: I think that most people use the term "ego death" because when it happens, your ego tries to save itself by convincing you that you're dying. Needless to say it can be an utterly terrifying experience for many people.




I think the term "ego death" makes more sense when you are using it like this to mean the "ego dissolution" occurring during an experience that feels like a death trip of some sort, the kind of "I literally died" trip that the OP talks about. This is also the kind of ego death that Grof talks about - if I search for "ego death" within Leary's The Psychedelic Experience I get zero matches, surprisingly; he uses the term 'ego loss' in that particular work. This is from Grof:

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While only a small step separates us from the experience of radical liberation, we have a sense of all-pervading anxiety and impending catastrophe of enormous proportions. The impression of imminent doom can be very convincing and overwhelming. The predominant feeling is that we are losing all that we know and that we are. At the same time, we have no idea what is on the other side, or even if there is anything there at all. This fear is the reason that at this stage many people desperately resist the process if they can. As a result, they can remain psychologically stuck in this problematic territory for an indefinite period of time.

The encounter with the ego death is a stage of the spiritual journey when we might need much encouragement and psychological support. When we succeed in overcoming the metaphysical fear associated with this important juncture and decide to let things happen, we experience total annihilation on all imaginable levels. It involves physical destruction, emotional disaster, intellectual and philosophical defeat, ultimate moral failure, and even spiritual damnation. During this experience, all reference points, everything that is important and meaningful in our life, seems to be mercilessly destroyed.




:aweoverdose:

If you get the "ego dissolution" without necessarily getting the harsh, dramatic kind of death-trip experience (perhaps because you have learned not to fear what's happening and are able to surrender to it more easily) then "ego loss" is maybe a slightly better term; more spiritual, less delusional.

I've also had "death trips" with delusions of being dead that didn't necessarily have any ego dissolution involved, that was just the vibe of the trip. Also you can black out completely without getting the mind-expanding "singular experience of everything in the universe" type of deal which is the core of the ego death / ego loss experience (otherwise forget the psychedelics, it would be easier with vodka).

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OP it sounds like you had a psychotic break. Ego death LOL




Well it's just a label for a particular type of classic, psychedelic dissociative experience. And there is a fair bit of psychosis settling in as delusions at that kind of dose, which means you can easily experience it as a vision of God, alien contact, the matrix and so on, once you "come back" to yourself. In that sense the "breakthrough" of the trip can be a psychotic breakthrough as much as a spiritual one, but it's based on something real that is happening to your brain:

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Decreased blood flow in the brain's main transit hubs (default mode network)
Decreased integrity of key brain networks
Collapsed rhythmic structure of cortical activity
hyper-excitable prediction units causes impetuous inference
normally distinct brain networks become 'one'
Network stability becomes fleeting





Jforce asks:

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What died?
What didn't die?




Pay attention at the back! Actually that does remind me that for all the flowery hippyish talk of being "at one with the universe" these trips can be quite nasty when you start to realize that you are basically going to have to die inside the trip, i.e have your day-to-day consciousness shut down on you as you drown within the visuals and become part of some kind of gigantic oceanic universal conscious presence that draws you into itself, submerging your personality, shutting down your internal dialogue and sense of self, before bringing you back to your senses in a state of complete wonderment. I tried to describe it a little bit in this post without referring explicitly to ego death, a phrase which is often more trouble than it's worth if you are just trying to describe your trip!

Back to the OP again:

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my mind was reassembled and reset from scratch. It was beautiful and blissful with a pinch of horrific when i died




Well yes, although you have to be careful they don't install Windows 10 while your mind is being reset :wink:

:awecid: :raisemyglass:


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