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Need as many tips as you can offer
    #23424887 - 07/08/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I've done 2 grows in the past and both produced much less yield then possible. im now working on my 3rd grow (just sterilized my substrates, havnt inoculated yet). i was looking on google for tips when i came across a technique called "dunk and roll" (forgive me if im a complete noob). the guide im following dosnt mention this atall, and after reading about it i got rather pissed off that i hadnt heard about it before because it makes alot of sense. now i realize how little i know, and have begun to wonder what else im missing. im going to describe the process my guide outlines and i would greatly appreciate and tips or corrections anyone has to offer.

*skipping over all the tedious sterilization stuff, i know that pretty well*

step 1: prepare substrate: 1/4c brown rice flower + 2/3c verm + 1/4c water, mix it up, place into jar. stick jar in pot, boil for 1hr then let cool before inoculating. (this is where i am with my current op).

step 2: inoculate

step 3: wait

step 4: birth

*i dont think i need help with the steps above this point, but from here on in i feel that theres alot im missing*

step 5: place in incubation chamber. (i realize now that this is where the dunk and roll comes in and i will be applying it to my current op).

Description of incubation chamber:

Styrofoam box with hole in bottom for drainage. steel grill to hold cakes off of chamber floor. plexyglass 'sneeze guard' near the top to prevent moisture from humidifier from hitting the cakes directly. humidifier input above sneeze guard. humidifier is ultrasonic and is connected to 4 2L coke bottles inorder to dryout the output of the humidifier enough before it enters the chamber. lid on chamber with about 50% of it being plexyglass to allow sunlight in. i do not have lights, i literally rely on sunlight. i've seen many chambers without a humidifier, and using perilite in the bottem of the chamber without the steel grill- i have so many questions about this, i dont even know where to begin- so in short, is my chamber acceptable? should i be using perilite? the humidifier is running constant, is this overkill?

do you have any tips on how i should alter my chamber?

once their in the chamber, realy just let them sit and do their thing. they flush, they stop flushing, then they start flushing again, i do nothing but watch and harvest- all the time there is a constant humidity input from the humidifier. i now know that dunk and roll should also be done between flushes.

i usualy get 2-3 shrooms per flush per cake which seems realy low to me. usualy i'll start out with 7-8 pins, but half of them will grow half way, become slimy, stop growing, turn black and die. i never get the huge clusters of pins/shrooms that i've seen on youtube/in pics. its always solo shrooms (sometimes 2 in one spot) growing out of differant places in the cake. i've never depleted any of my  cakes as in both of my previous grows, i had to go away from a significant amount of time in the middle of the growing process and water built up in the external coke bottles which very quickly builds up to the point where it blocks the hoses connecting the bottles to eachother and the chamber. thus the cakes dryout and die.

i think dunk and roll with increase my output significantly, but like i said, im sure theres a whole lot more im missing. my next op is going to be up to 48 cakes and i realy dont want to waste them all through inexperiance and lack of knowledge.

please, any help would be awsome.


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23424912 - 07/08/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Look up "Let's Grow Mushrooms" on YouTube.  Watch it very closely.  Then watch it all again, four more times.

A styrofoam box is not a fruiting chamber, this is:



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Edited by KenInVic (07/08/16 09:41 PM)


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: KenInVic]
    #23424932 - 07/08/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Newbie forum has a thread right near the top:


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18381574#18381574


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: KenInVic]
    #23424972 - 07/08/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

just finished part 1. i already feel like an idiot, though i think i can salvage what i already have


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23424979 - 07/08/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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fojaxx said:
just finished part 1. i already feel like an idiot, though i think i can salvage what i already have




One is only an idiot if one doesn't learn from their errors.  No biggie.  Check the other link mentioned as well.  There's more than one way to skin this cat but some are better than others and have stood the test of time.


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: KenInVic]
    #23425040 - 07/08/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Make sure that you are reading relevant and newer teks, because what you've done is put yourself in prehistoric times. Google isn't everything but now that you have a grasp just keep learning!
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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23425090 - 07/08/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

just finished all four parts of the video. i feel like a caveman trying to build a nuclear reactor with flint tools. i thought i'd get tips from here to improve my process. i now realise i have to scrap my process completely. looks like that styrofoam box is going in the garbage, and im heading to canadian tire tomorrow. wow... just wow.


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23425111 - 07/08/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

fojaxx said:
just finished all four parts of the video. i feel like a caveman trying to build a nuclear reactor with flint tools. i thought i'd get tips from here to improve my process. i now realise i have to scrap my process completely. looks like that styrofoam box is going in the garbage, and im heading to canadian tire tomorrow. wow... just wow.




Canuck tire.  Huh?  Wonder where he's from, lol.


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: KenInVic]
    #23425172 - 07/08/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Heh :maple:    Here's my hints for supplies hunting:


Canuck Tire and a Farm & Garden centre will have all the supplies you will ever need.


Acklands Grainger for petri dishes, lab stuff and misc gear.


Amazon Prime free trial for big pressure cooker.


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: Snazz]
    #23426799 - 07/09/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

alright, so 1 trip to crappy tire and one blown lower rad hose later, i think i have everything i need to build a proper birthing chamber:

2x 62L clear storrage containers (holes already drilled)
4x 8L bags or perilite
1x 24bottles of black label

i gotta say, this is much less complex then the caveman design (ironically)

just inoculated 12 jars that i made up using the caveman method (very similar to the method recomended, except that i packed them down moderatly) and am now sterilizing 12 more jars using the recomended method... starting to get that super excited feeling again


Edited by fojaxx (07/09/16 02:19 PM)


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23426805 - 07/09/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

first three links in my signature, then look around from there. should be all you need as far as the most up to date relevant info here.


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23426813 - 07/09/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

exelent, i'll definitly be making use of these. thanks for all the support guys, especialy for someone so green as I. i know how frustrating it can be to have to teach someone who's completely ignorant of the right way to do things


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23426835 - 07/09/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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1x 24bottles of black label
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As in "Get your ass of the table, Mable, the money's for the beer" or are we talking Johnny Walker?


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: KenInVic]
    #23426870 - 07/09/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

black label as in:



24 bottle of jonny walker would put me 6ft under in no time, lol

someother picture for interest, should you find them interesting:

old growing chamber:





the cakes in here are old, driedout ones, and the discolouration at the bottem is rust from the steel grate



new growing chambers:





enough holes? or should i add more?



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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23426878 - 07/09/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Holes are looking about right for that FC.  My 66 litre took 344 holes in all.


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: KenInVic]
    #23426888 - 07/09/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

344? i doubt i've got more then 100... their spaced about 2.5" apart and i didnt but any in the bottem or in the lower 5" where the perlite will be, should i?


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23426893 - 07/09/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

just counted, i have 90 holes in total


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    #23426894 - 07/09/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You need a 2 x 2 grid on all six sides, including where the perlite will be.  Mine allows at least two rows of holes on the side that are below the level of the perlite in the FC.

You may get away with a 2-1/2" grid.  Catch up with your drilling as much as you can and monitor it down the road.  If it isn't allowing enough FAE you can always add holes later.


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: KenInVic]
    #23426912 - 07/09/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The most important holes are the ones you skipped


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23427087 - 07/09/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You need a 2 x 2 grid on all six sides, including where the perlite will be.  Mine allows at least two rows of holes on the side that are below the level of the perlite in the FC.

You may get away with a 2-1/2" grid.  Catch up with your drilling as much as you can and monitor it down the road.  If it isn't allowing enough FAE you can always add holes later.




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The most important holes are the ones you skipped




k, im gonna add the lower holes now. if nesscary, ill add more rows between the current ones. im assuming if i add too many hole, it'll be too dry inside?


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23427092 - 07/09/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

k, all the new holes added. sorry these last two posts from me where so close together- i forgot to send the last untill i started writing this one.

well, i think thats the most holes i've ever drilled... well actualy, there was this one time at band camp...


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Re: Need as many tips as you can offer [Re: fojaxx]
    #23427442 - 07/09/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You shouldn't just be drilling holes into a tub, you should be following a tek with specific guidelines on how to do that properly. Search in the top right bar and search sgfc to spec and set it to the last 5 years


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