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Rackstrawstiltskin
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Bacterial infected fruits, safe?
#23423295 - 07/08/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll attach 2 pictures but they are still growing.
Are these safe to eat? I heard they are but would they be worth ingesting in a method like tea to try and kill off the bacteria?
They give off a funky smell but it's not that unpleasant and have gotten better in recent days.
One mushroom is blue, I'm assuming it was because I accidently cut it so it bruised and it's going to abort.


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I don't see anything suggesting they're bacterial. I do see a strange chamber with verm on the bottom though o.0
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Re: Bacterial infected fruits, safe? [Re: Mad Season]
#23423394 - 07/08/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had to isolate from the other containers because they were slow colonisers and didn't colonise 100%.
Had to rustle something up quickly that wont be a contam risk for the other cakes. What about the blue one should I just pick that off incase it rots? Or will it affect the progress of the other mushrooms on the cake?
What about the funky smell haha
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Bruising is fine. It looks like they're just reacting to their environment/insane handling. Also they look really dry which also causes bruising, so idk how you'd be getting bacteria on dry cakes... Bacteria 9/10 times happens because things are too wet. Do you mist the cakes directly until glistening? Or just the walls? If the walls, I'd bet it's the verm getting wet and smelling. Verm can indeed grow lots of BS. Hell even fuckin perlite gets mossy at times.
Are you sure it isn't the fruiting chamber getting random crap that you're smelling?
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Re: Bacterial infected fruits, safe? [Re: Mad Season]
#23423451 - 07/08/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it was a bacterial infection in-vitro due to the non 100% colonisation and early pinning.
They definitely smelt funky when pulling out of the jars, the tub is clean. But they were dunked for around 24-28 hours a few days ago so they are moist, I was told not to directly spray the pins because it can cause aborts where stagnant water is sitting for a while.
I guess I might be a bit paranoid and I'll put them in a modified tub anyway for correct FAE.
Oh and I have no perlite so my usual setup is paper towels at the side that are bacterial resistant and spray them for the humidity, gets 80-95% or more.
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Yeah idk where the whole spraying them directly aborts them came from, but that has never happened in the 5 years of me spraying pins directly.. The worst you'll see is pseudomonas causing wet looking spots on the caps if the fae is crappy, and the shit doesn't evaporate fast enough. (called bacterial blotch)
These guys were sprayed directly 2 times a day, and it's not like there's much available substrate to be getting the spraying, so the pins got TONS of water sprayed all over them. They were in 65% humidity. Not 95%.. ideal humidity is 55-80%, despite what others have said in the past.. The place that matters most is the water on the surface of the substrate. It evaporates away, and you mist directly to replace it. The surface should be at 99% humidity. The chamber should be much lower for evaporation.
 See how the caps have no spots on them?
Yeah chances are the cakes themselves are bacterial then, but the fruitbodies won't be effected with it. They're actually just reacting to the environment.
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Kizzle said:
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invitro said: It only looks wet because I just introduced fae today.
I put 1/2 inch of verm on top. I'm leary of fruits grown on directly on bacterial subs, I think those fruits are basically worthless, somehow the chemical composition is changed for the much worse I think..
You know some mushroom species can't even produce fruits without bacteria. They cater to certain bacteria just as your body does. So while substrate can support all sorts of bacterial growth a living mushroom itself only supports certain kinds. There's a long history or people eating mushrooms grown on all sorts of crap, including actual crap and yet no evidence it makes the mushroom harmful in any way.
Edited by Mad Season (07/08/16 12:32 PM)
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Re: Bacterial infected fruits, safe? [Re: Mad Season]
#23423486 - 07/08/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fair enough I'll start misting them directly thanks! 
That quote is helpful enough by itself cheers! Just wondering if the cake was infected invitro then wouldn't the mushrooms growing from those pins be infected also?
Unless the magic mycelium sucks it out haha 
I'll eat them regardless anyway, thanks a lot man, rated you 
edit: WOW thats a nice grow, I'll adjust my chambers accordingly then, cheers.
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Edited by Rackstrawstiltskin (07/08/16 12:39 PM)
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Looking much better now:D
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