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Bigbadwooof said: I don't have a lot of respect for black lives matter, but I do respect some of their issues. There are many times that I disapprove of their way of "resolving" those issues.
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: qman]
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Bigbadwooof said: I don't have a lot of respect for black lives matter, but I do respect some of their issues. There are many times that I disapprove of their way of "resolving" those issues.
What issues would those be?
The Social Justice warrior wing of the movement that is talking about moving back to Africa, and spreading hate toward whitey. Or the murdering of police officers. I would be alright with it if they murdered the police officers who had murdered innocent black people, but to just go shooting innocent police makes them just as bad.
How about the cunts that hijacked the Sanders campaign, when Sanders is the candidate most likely to have benefitted their cause.
I respect the fact that black people are a disadvantaged subset of our society in many ways, and the fact that we are seeing numerous cases of murder by police officers, and have been for a year now. That is a problem.
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Millzy; I'm having an entirely different experience here in Dallas? I'm seeing all sides settle a little and listen more.
qman: like I told millzy, that's not what I'm seeing here but, I'm also not surprised that's how fox news is representing it.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/07/11/one-dallas-protesters-come-together-nccorig.cnn
BLM did just release a plan or list of things they want addressed. I think many of you will be surprised it is not race specific when applied and leaves the actual application of items up for discussion. I don't think any of these ten items are controversial in the least.
http://www.puckermob.com/lifestyle/black-lives-matter-just-delivered-their-10-point-manifesto-and-this-is-what-they-want
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Their plan – “Campaign Zero” – focuses on 10 points where they would like the law to change. They believe that these changes will help stop racial profiling and lessen the dangers everyday citizens face when dealing with the police.
To get an idea of what they are asking for we thought we’d provide a breakdown of their plan:
1. End "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones.
“Broken windows” policing is the idea that vigorously enforcing small crimes (like vandalism) will prevent larger crimes from happening. This law has allowed police to increase “stop and frisks”, which BLM claims enables racial stereotyping. They argue that Black men and women are unfairly targeted by police using this law as an excuse, and that this policy ultimately led to the death of Eric Garner (remember the guy that was choked to death after he was caught selling loose cigarettes). This is their first point in their plan, and probably the most controversial.
2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face.
Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased.
3. Make standards for reporting police use of deadly force.
A lot of reports of police using deadly force aren’t released to the public. This skews the statistics when it comes down to who died by police hands and it leaves the public in the dark about how the police operate. BLM want to standardize the reporting methods and make the whole process more transparent.
4. Independently investigate and prosecute police misconduct.
Much like point two, BLM doesn’t want the police investigating crimes committed by the police since it’s proven to be a recipe for trouble. Instead, they want an independently run government body to investigate whether or not an officer has violated the law. The short version: if a cop shoots someone, someone other than the cops should look into the case to see if that shooting was lawful.
5. Have the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve.
This one is simple enough to ask for, harder to carry out in practice. BLM want the police force to be racially representative of the areas they protect. If a community is 50% Black, 30% Hispanic, and 20% White, they want to see a police force that reflects those demographics. Hypothetically, for every two White officers they’d hire, they’d also hire five Black officers and three Hispanic officers.
6. Require officers to wear body cameras.
This policy has already been implemented in several different police forces across the country – and with great success in some cases. However, the debate starts when it comes down to when and why an officer can turn the camera off. For example, you wouldn't want people watching you when you went for a piss, would you?
7. Provide more training for police officers.
More training is never a bad thing. Many supporters of BLM believe that a lot of the issues between police officers and citizens have been instigated by rookie cops that are a little too eager to prove themselves in the field, and they feel a little extra training could help that out.
8. End for-profit policing practices.
This is a biggie. As of now, the police can legally take any money or property that they “believe” is in some way linked to a crime, and they can use that money and property as they see fit, even if you’re never convicted of that crime. It’s called Civil Forfeiture and the police in many areas have used this “right” to fund their own agencies and precincts. This is a major issue, and many people from different walks of life see it as legalized robbery. For more information check out John Oliver’s take on it, as he explains it far more eloquently than I ever could.
9. End the police use of military equipment.
BLM argues that the police should be working with the community to provide peaceful resolutions to society's issues and that the use of military equipment shows an intent to abuse their power over citizens. It drives home the Us vs Them mentality. Big guns and body armour = scared citizens. Open dialogue and transparency = happy citizens.
10. Implement police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct.
So, police unions have a history of protecting police (shocking, I know). Police officers accused of misconduct are no exception, but other members are often discouraged by their unions to speak out against those accused. This can delay convictions and stop valuable information or evidence from coming to light which prevents real justice. While the police need unions to protect their rights, BLM argue that the unions should play their part in weeding out the bad apples. If not, the abuse of power will continue because the bad officers know they can get away with it.
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Bigbadwooof said: I don't have a lot of respect for black lives matter, but I do respect some of their issues. There are many times that I disapprove of their way of "resolving" those issues.
What issues would those be?
The Social Justice warrior wing of the movement that is talking about moving back to Africa, and spreading hate toward whitey. Or the murdering of police officers. I would be alright with it if they murdered the police officers who had murdered innocent black people, but to just go shooting innocent police makes them just as bad.
How about the cunts that hijacked the Sanders campaign, when Sanders is the candidate most likely to have benefitted their cause.
I respect the fact that black people are a disadvantaged subset of our society in many ways, and the fact that we are seeing numerous cases of murder by police officers, and have been for a year now. That is a problem.
"talking about moving back to Africa"
Big talkers and nothing else, they know where their bread is buttered.
"I would be alright with it if they murdered the police officers who had murdered innocent black people"
Like Darren Wilson? Or the cop that got charged with murder in South Carolina? You now justify vigilante justice?
"That is a problem"
Justifiable shootings are NOT a problem, you do know more whites have been killed by cops this year than blacks, is that NOT a problem or is this just a narrative for black lives?
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: airclay]
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airclay said: Millzy; I'm having an entirely different experience here in Dallas? I'm seeing all sides settle a little and listen more.
qman: like I told millzy, that's not what I'm seeing here but, I'm also not surprised that's how fox news is representing it.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/07/11/one-dallas-protesters-come-together-nccorig.cnn
BLM did just release a plan or list of things they want addressed. I think many of you will be surprised it is not race specific when applied and leaves the actual application of items up for discussion. I don't think any of these ten items are controversial in the least.
http://www.puckermob.com/lifestyle/black-lives-matter-just-delivered-their-10-point-manifesto-and-this-is-what-they-want
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Their plan – “Campaign Zero” – focuses on 10 points where they would like the law to change. They believe that these changes will help stop racial profiling and lessen the dangers everyday citizens face when dealing with the police.
To get an idea of what they are asking for we thought we’d provide a breakdown of their plan:
1. End "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones.
“Broken windows” policing is the idea that vigorously enforcing small crimes (like vandalism) will prevent larger crimes from happening. This law has allowed police to increase “stop and frisks”, which BLM claims enables racial stereotyping. They argue that Black men and women are unfairly targeted by police using this law as an excuse, and that this policy ultimately led to the death of Eric Garner (remember the guy that was choked to death after he was caught selling loose cigarettes). This is their first point in their plan, and probably the most controversial.
2. Use community oversight for misconduct rather than having the police department decide what consequences officers should face.
Rather than the police deciding how an officer is punished after they’ve committed a crime (like when an officer who caused a death is ‘punished’ by being put on paid leave for six months), they want an independent group to review all cases and dole out the punishments. Since, you know, the police department might be a tad on biased.
3. Make standards for reporting police use of deadly force.
A lot of reports of police using deadly force aren’t released to the public. This skews the statistics when it comes down to who died by police hands and it leaves the public in the dark about how the police operate. BLM want to standardize the reporting methods and make the whole process more transparent.
4. Independently investigate and prosecute police misconduct.
Much like point two, BLM doesn’t want the police investigating crimes committed by the police since it’s proven to be a recipe for trouble. Instead, they want an independently run government body to investigate whether or not an officer has violated the law. The short version: if a cop shoots someone, someone other than the cops should look into the case to see if that shooting was lawful.
5. Have the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve.
This one is simple enough to ask for, harder to carry out in practice. BLM want the police force to be racially representative of the areas they protect. If a community is 50% Black, 30% Hispanic, and 20% White, they want to see a police force that reflects those demographics. Hypothetically, for every two White officers they’d hire, they’d also hire five Black officers and three Hispanic officers.
6. Require officers to wear body cameras.
This policy has already been implemented in several different police forces across the country – and with great success in some cases. However, the debate starts when it comes down to when and why an officer can turn the camera off. For example, you wouldn't want people watching you when you went for a piss, would you?
7. Provide more training for police officers.
More training is never a bad thing. Many supporters of BLM believe that a lot of the issues between police officers and citizens have been instigated by rookie cops that are a little too eager to prove themselves in the field, and they feel a little extra training could help that out.
8. End for-profit policing practices.
This is a biggie. As of now, the police can legally take any money or property that they “believe” is in some way linked to a crime, and they can use that money and property as they see fit, even if you’re never convicted of that crime. It’s called Civil Forfeiture and the police in many areas have used this “right” to fund their own agencies and precincts. This is a major issue, and many people from different walks of life see it as legalized robbery. For more information check out John Oliver’s take on it, as he explains it far more eloquently than I ever could.
9. End the police use of military equipment.
BLM argues that the police should be working with the community to provide peaceful resolutions to society's issues and that the use of military equipment shows an intent to abuse their power over citizens. It drives home the Us vs Them mentality. Big guns and body armour = scared citizens. Open dialogue and transparency = happy citizens.
10. Implement police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct.
So, police unions have a history of protecting police (shocking, I know). Police officers accused of misconduct are no exception, but other members are often discouraged by their unions to speak out against those accused. This can delay convictions and stop valuable information or evidence from coming to light which prevents real justice. While the police need unions to protect their rights, BLM argue that the unions should play their part in weeding out the bad apples. If not, the abuse of power will continue because the bad officers know they can get away with it.
I have always said let the people of that community police themselves, but guess what BLM's, not enough blacks want to police their own communities, all they do is complain about the policing tactics. Instead of protesting, sign-up to fucking become cops!!!! Something the Dallas Police Chief said today.
Who would be this "independent" group to rule on police "misconduct"? Are they qualified? How could they "dole" out punishment? Or do they basically want some un-elected official to decide the fate of police officers, that's not even constitutional.
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: qman]
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well I think that's why it doesn't suggest applications of the ideas you know what I said in the beginning.
you have always said that in a tongue in cheek manner, based on the pre-judgements you have of people with black skin color. the list goes above and beyond that point cause we all know that alone will not solve the issues at hand.
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: airclay]
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Bigbadwooof said: to just go shooting innocent police makes them just as bad.
I'm not convinced that there is such a thing.
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: qman]
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Bigbadwooof said: I don't have a lot of respect for black lives matter, but I do respect some of their issues. There are many times that I disapprove of their way of "resolving" those issues.
What issues would those be?
The Social Justice warrior wing of the movement that is talking about moving back to Africa, and spreading hate toward whitey. Or the murdering of police officers. I would be alright with it if they murdered the police officers who had murdered innocent black people, but to just go shooting innocent police makes them just as bad.
How about the cunts that hijacked the Sanders campaign, when Sanders is the candidate most likely to have benefitted their cause.
I respect the fact that black people are a disadvantaged subset of our society in many ways, and the fact that we are seeing numerous cases of murder by police officers, and have been for a year now. That is a problem.
"talking about moving back to Africa"
Big talkers and nothing else, they know where their bread is buttered.
"I would be alright with it if they murdered the police officers who had murdered innocent black people"
Like Darren Wilson? Or the cop that got charged with murder in South Carolina? You now justify vigilante justice?
I didn't justify it, I said I would be alright with it, and I would. I'm not terribly opposed to vigilante justice, if it is justified. My respect for our legal system and our government has been dwindling for a few years now.
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Justifiable shootings are NOT a problem, you do know more whites have been killed by cops this year than blacks, is that NOT a problem or is this just a narrative for black lives?
Justifiable shootings are not a problem. I'm speaking of unjustified shootings. Unfortunately, and I know that you are incapable of seeing this point, but the fact that a black person has been shot, and the fact that a police officer has done some shooting, does not mean it is justified.
Also, what does the number of white people who have been killed by the police have to do with anything? I haven't seen a constant barrage of videos and stories of unjustified white shootings by police for the past 2 years. I haven't even seen one, led alone 20.
The only reason you support murder by police, is because you are a flaming racist.
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: Enlil]
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Bigbadwooof said: to just go shooting innocent police makes them just as bad.
I'm not convinced that there is such a thing.
As an innocent police officer? Sure there are... As innocent as any other person. I live in a place with an excellent police force. This is the first time in my life I've been able to say that too...
Either way, they are innocent of the crimes that these vigilantes are lashing out for.
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Bigbadwooof said: I don't have a lot of respect for black lives matter, but I do respect some of their issues. There are many times that I disapprove of their way of "resolving" those issues.
What issues would those be?
The Social Justice warrior wing of the movement that is talking about moving back to Africa, and spreading hate toward whitey. Or the murdering of police officers. I would be alright with it if they murdered the police officers who had murdered innocent black people, but to just go shooting innocent police makes them just as bad.
How about the cunts that hijacked the Sanders campaign, when Sanders is the candidate most likely to have benefitted their cause.
I respect the fact that black people are a disadvantaged subset of our society in many ways, and the fact that we are seeing numerous cases of murder by police officers, and have been for a year now. That is a problem.
"talking about moving back to Africa"
Big talkers and nothing else, they know where their bread is buttered.
"I would be alright with it if they murdered the police officers who had murdered innocent black people"
Like Darren Wilson? Or the cop that got charged with murder in South Carolina? You now justify vigilante justice?
I didn't justify it, I said I would be alright with it, and I would. I'm not terribly opposed to vigilante justice, if it is justified. My respect for our legal system and our government has been dwindling for a few years now.
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Justifiable shootings are NOT a problem, you do know more whites have been killed by cops this year than blacks, is that NOT a problem or is this just a narrative for black lives?
Justifiable shootings are not a problem. I'm speaking of unjustified shootings. Unfortunately, and I know that you are incapable of seeing this point, but the fact that a black person has been shot, and the fact that a police officer has done some shooting, does not mean it is justified.
Also, what does the number of white people who have been killed by the police have to do with anything? I haven't seen a constant barrage of videos and stories of unjustified white shootings by police for the past 2 years. I haven't even seen one, led alone 20.
The only reason you support murder by police, is because you are a flaming racist.
"does not mean it is justified"
That's correct, here's one that was NOT justified. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/11/former-north-charleston-officer-who-shot-walter-scott-indicted-on-federal-civil-rights-violation/?utm_term=.e230a8a32d10
"I haven't seen a barrage of videos and stories of unjustified white shootings by police"
Doesn't that tell you something? The statistics clearly show us whites are shot and killed by the police by almost double, why doesn't the media report on it? Because it's boring news, the media wants to script a narrative that doesn't even exist, looks like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
"The only reason why you support murder by police"
I don't support unjustified murder by police, was Michael Brown's shooting justified? Yes, that's because he tried to kill a cop. Was this murder by police justified? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/houston-cops-fatally-shoot-man-waving-gun-middle-street-article-1.2705286
"you are a flaming racist"
Flaming isn't allowed in this forum.
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: airclay]
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airclay said: here's one for ya qman
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer
Yep, the criminal justice system isn't perfect because it's run by humans, what's your point?
Here's a real shitty policy. http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/02/09/pro-profit-probation-violates-poor
Can't pay for probation, go to jail.
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: qman]
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qman said: "I haven't seen a barrage of videos and stories of unjustified white shootings by police"
Doesn't that tell you something? The statistics clearly show us whites are shot and killed by the police by almost double, why doesn't the media report on it? Because it's boring news, the media wants to script a narrative that doesn't even exist, looks like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
You clearly didn't understand my statement at all. I said, I haven't seen a barrage of videos and stories of UNJUSTIFIED white shootings by police. Your statistic is not applicable until you present me with a slew of cases in which white people are the victims of unwarranted murder by police officers. Now, I am not saying I've never seen a case of this happening. There was a homeless man about a year ago, who was white, and he was murdered by police officers. They were tried and convicted for their crime.
However, this seems to be systemic.
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"The only reason why you support murder by police"
I don't support unjustified murder by police, was Michael Brown's shooting justified? Yes, that's because he tried to kill a cop. Was this murder by police justified? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/houston-cops-fatally-shoot-man-waving-gun-middle-street-article-1.2705286
"you are a flaming racist"
Flaming isn't allowed in this forum.
Michael Brown didn't try to kill a cop. There was no evidence of that. I personally believe that if they thought that he was justified, they would have allowed it to go to court. The prosecution presented a defense case to the grand jury, which is not proper procedure. They are supposed to present the case for prosecution alone.
Regardless, Michael Brown is an example that has been made hazy by the Bill O'Reilly's of the world. There are many better examples. For some reason, unbeknownst to me, you will defend the police in each and every one of these occasions. What is your infatuation with the police? They have been destroying lives for decades now. They are out of control.
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Doesn't that tell you something? The statistics clearly show us whites are shot and killed by the police by almost double, why doesn't the media report on it? Because it's boring news, the media wants to script a narrative that doesn't even exist, looks like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
You clearly didn't understand my statement at all. I said, I haven't seen a barrage of videos and stories of UNJUSTIFIED white shootings by police. Your statistic is not applicable until you present me with a slew of cases in which white people are the victims of unwarranted murder by police officers. Now, I am not saying I've never seen a case of this happening. There was a homeless man about a year ago, who was white, and he was murdered by police officers. They were tried and convicted for their crime.
However, this seems to be systemic.
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"The only reason why you support murder by police"
I don't support unjustified murder by police, was Michael Brown's shooting justified? Yes, that's because he tried to kill a cop. Was this murder by police justified? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/houston-cops-fatally-shoot-man-waving-gun-middle-street-article-1.2705286
"you are a flaming racist"
Flaming isn't allowed in this forum.
Michael Brown didn't try to kill a cop. There was no evidence of that. I personally believe that if they thought that he was justified, they would have allowed it to go to court. The prosecution presented a defense case to the grand jury, which is not proper procedure. They are supposed to present the case for prosecution alone.
Regardless, Michael Brown is an example that has been made hazy by the Bill O'Reilly's of the world. There are many better examples. For some reason, unbeknownst to me, you will defend the police in each and every one of these occasions. What is your infatuation with the police? They have been destroying lives for decades now. They are out of control.
The evidence clearly showed Brown sucker punched Wilson in the eye and grabbed for his gun, you might not call that attempted murder but most people disagree with you on that assessment. But guess what? The law clearly entitled Wilson to use deadly force in that case. 
You disagree with how the prosecution presented its case, do you know why? Because it never should have went to a grand jury, they had NO case.
"What is your infatuation with the police?"
I don't like most cops, but I dislike criminal thugs even more, make sense.
"They have been destroying lives for decades now"
Mainly because of the war on drugs, that's not the cops fault. How much did any R or D talk about drug laws during this presidential campaign? ZERO!!
"They are out of control"
The criminal justice system and the laws have plenty of problems to say the least, but we also have lots of criminal cultures inside of the US as well.
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Apparently my posts are incomprehensible to you, but I will try one last time. I said there are many better examples than the Brown case. We have seen many cases of unjustified murder of black people over the course of the past year. The case where the officer planted the taser on the man after shooting him in the back. This last case. The Eric Garner case (which is a case I'm sure you will cherry pick out of this post and defend the police on, and you will be wrongfully defending murderers).
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You disagree with how the prosecution presented its case, do you know why? Because it never should have went to a grand jury, they had NO case.
That's actually not why. The prosecution presented evidence in defense of the officer. The fact of the matter is, it DID go to a grand jury, and when it did, it was the prosecution's job to present the case for prosecution. Not to present any shred of evidence in defense of the officer. That is my problem.
I am beginning to think you don't really understand any of this terribly well. You seem to be cherry picking shit, and stumbling along while I am forced to reiterate point after point. I guess it makes sense why you take the stance you've taken.
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"What is your infatuation with the police?"
I don't like most cops, but I dislike criminal thugs even more, make sense.
Not true. Police who commit murder are the worst form of criminal thugs. You avidly support them.
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"They have been destroying lives for decades now"
Mainly because of the war on drugs, that's not the cops fault. How much did any R or D talk about drug laws during this presidential campaign? ZERO!!
There is a lot wrong with our criminal justice system. The war on drugs was STARTED to target MINORITIES... Are you unaware of this? It's really no wonder you defend those who have been persecuting minorities for half a fucking century. Plug your fuckin ears qman 'lalalalaa'.
I suppose you feel Nazi soldiers weren't guilty. How about civil forfeiture? Police stealing thousands of dollars from unsuspecting civilians for their own personal slush funds.
(This is another example of thuggary).
"They are out of control"
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The criminal justice system and the laws have plenty of problems to say the least, but we also have lots of criminal cultures inside of the US as well.
By "criminal cultures" you're referring to 'dem niggers is super predators'. Jesus man, get a grip.
We have Hillary Clinton getting off for crimes she was clearly guilty of. We have police getting off for murder (though I suspect that in this latest case, that will not be the case). Civil forfeiture, the revelations of Michael Woods:
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The war of drugs has targeted everyone, I was there when it started in full force and disagreed with it the whole time.
BTW, I have been following and telling people about asset forfeiture for decades, I know all about the injustices with it.
The cops on the street aren't responsible for this stuff, the CEO's that shut down US factories and send them to Mexico are just pawns in the game, I don't blame them either. You have to look at the policymakers, not the hired hands.
I don't justify police abuse or brutality of any kind, I don't approve of unjustifiable killings either, but cops are many times forced into situations which require deadly force, that's part of the job.
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#23433622 - 07/11/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: The war of drugs has targeted everyone, I was there when it started in full force and disagreed with it the whole time.
Yes, it has targeted everyone, and yes it is the central source of animosity towards police. However, given that it is the justification for no-knock raids, shooting people's pets, and tear gassing babies, we ought to look at just why the war on drugs was initiated. It was started to target minority groups, originally. Do you disagree with that? The evidence is staggering, and I would be happy to source it for you.
The war on drugs is thuggary, and police officers or complicit.
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BTW, I have been following and telling people about asset forfeiture for decades, I know all about the injustices with it.
Good. It is thuggary, and theft.
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The cops on the street aren't responsible for this stuff, the CEO's that shut down US factories and send them to Mexico are just pawns in the game, I don't blame them either. You have to look at the policymakers, not the hired hands.
Some of us view the politicians as the pawns. I think neither is the case, in any absolute way. Sometimes CEOs are 'pawns', and sometimes politicians are the pawns, but at the end of the day, those willing to compromise their integrity for personal gain are still the bearers of guilt.
Just as Nazi soldiers bore the guilt of their actions.
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I don't justify police abuse or brutality of any kind, I don't approve of unjustifiable killings either, but cops are many times forced into situations which require deadly force, that's part of the job.
Well, many times they are put into situations which do not require deadly force, and they just happen to kill unarmed black people, or people who have already been subdued (Be sure to watch this first one, now):
How about the woman who "committed suicide" while in police custody? How about the cops who charged a man for bleeding on their uniforms, after beating the shit out of him, because they didn't have anything else on him?
These are thugs. You should oppose thugs. You should oppose these men.
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Bigbadwooof said: I said, I haven't seen a barrage of videos and stories of UNJUSTIFIED white shootings by police. Your statistic is not applicable until you present me with a slew of cases in which white people are the victims of unwarranted murder by police officers.
Regardless, Michael Brown is an example that has been made hazy by the Bill O'Reilly's of the world. There are many better examples.
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qman said: Doesn't that tell you something? The statistics clearly show us whites are shot and killed by the police by almost double, why doesn't the media report on it? Because it's boring news, the media wants to script a narrative that doesn't even exist, looks like you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
You are correct that the actual number is greater. However your narrative around it is incorrect and actually your approach completely incorrect. Here, washington post explains it simply.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.0e4fa8fd9ed8
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In 2015, The Washington Post launched a real-time database to track fatal police shootings, and the project continues this year. As of Sunday, 1,502 people have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers since Jan. 1, 2015. Of them, 732 were white, and 381 were black (and 382 were of another or unknown race).
But data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population.
According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.
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Re: Dallas shootings [Re: airclay]
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There's some police officers harasses Black folks and some harasses Whites as well. It is whatever they has the taste for. There are some officers that does it out of hatred of the color of a person skin and then there are some that just want to relieve some stress that morning. I believes that races needs to mingle with one another; that they need to see how the other half live. The officers have to bring in a certain quota every day, that they has to make sure that the city support itself instead of having the support from the federal government. And locking up individuals help bring in revenue for the city. The longer they stay, the more money they makes. But if they are bailed out, then less money they are making. But right now, to prevent any more violence against cops, they need to start hiring cops from online without seeing the person nationality, but only they will be hiring on skills and test scores. And the ones that does the hiring should be done by college students that lives in a another state that doesn't knows whom the applicant is. And so that they cannot say that they are hiring their own kind.
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