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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: dixienormous]
#23423389 - 07/08/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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dixienormous said: Everything dangerous is regulated or illegal. It sucks so, no.
Not flame-throwers.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23423403 - 07/08/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Even if they outlaw everything, we can go fullblown Akira all on our own 
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Asante]
#23423410 - 07/08/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would you want to live in a country where children carried around machine guns?
Not as hypothetical as it sounds.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Asante] 1
#23423413 - 07/08/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Already do.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23423417 - 07/08/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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But would it feel safe to you?
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Asante]
#23423429 - 07/08/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not if I'm the one they're shooting at.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23423443 - 07/08/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good song. 
I'd trust it but I wouldnt feel safe.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Asante]
#23423466 - 07/08/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Wongburger said: I think the United States would be better if every thing was legal (substance and weapon related).
With the way things are headed it seem's things will be entirely illegal. God forbid of human beings are treated like adults.
Legalize drugs! Legalize all guns! and Fuck the DEA, FDA and the United Nations. ;)
Do you think the world would be better if joe blow could buy a kilo of Fentanyl for $500, cause thats what it costs to produce.
Prince would disagree, he died because joe blow cut his beloved heroin with fentanyl to make a buck.
Prince died because some asshole cared more about the dollar than about his life.
I have not looked it up but for example, I'm pretty sure people die from heroin overdoses every day along with alcohol (the world's most notorious legal drug for the most part), pill over doses and all sorts of things. For the most part all of this stuff is already illegal and yet people are still experiencing death because of these drugs.
Tell me, what's the point of putting a living human-being, a upright walking creature in a cage for being addicted to a substance (which is already illegal yet they still use and get addicted to them) in a cage? Why would you want to cage your fellow humans for drugs?
Maybe I think what your getting at is we should go after the producers of these substances.
While I think it's great to dis-promote drugs and drug use, world wide and I think when other countries support having drugs illegal, it's wonderful for them and probably rightly so.
In the States I think people should have the right to pursue what they want and for business (drug dealing) to be legal business, why push it underground where criminal's are allowed to profit, usually criminal's that are not criminals simply because of substances but because of murder and other things like robbery or rape. Illegal drugs empower them.
I don't see any reason to mess with humans, let them live their lives the way they want to, for the ones that are going to use drugs anyhow even tho their illegal what's the point of controlling them or the manufacturing of them? It's happening any ways but just empowering deadlier criminals.
See, I'm viewing reality for what it is. It's cold, it's harsh, it's deadly, it's a mean world.
If some one chooses to use drugs in the privacy of their own homes, I say let em do it.
If they die from it, then it's a consequence of exercising that freedom. Freedom is not perfect (speaking from a American sense).
But like I say.. other countries restricting substances.. That's great and they probably have every right to do so.
Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from. You want things to be perfect. You want a clean society with no harm or hurt and pain.
My society is not meant to be that way. It's meant to be messed up and to consist of terrible things. American society if let to be the way it was started naturally consist of hurt and pain. It's because of freedom.
Watch this video, I'm not sure who he is but it's kind of how I view it, it's 7 minutes so I wont be shocked if you choose not to however I thought I would try:
If you do not want to watch the 7 minute video, check this one out it's 2 minutes:
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Dr.Wongburger] 2
#23423474 - 07/08/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think Asante is at all about caging people for drugs. Just a different alternative to regulating this stuff.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23423528 - 07/08/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah prohibition is the main reason that users end up dealing with adulteration and unpredictable potency. Sure you can fatally overdose on legal but regulated alcohol, but it won't be because of that unpredictability factor you can encounter with street drugs. Because of the regulations in place, you can be pretty confident that the bottle is accurate when it says that it's 40% ethanol, and that it isn't adulterated with something else. Same with prescription drugs, yeah you can kill yourself but it won't be because you didn't know what and how much you were taking.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23423723 - 07/08/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: I don't think Asante is at all about caging people for drugs. Just a different alternative to regulating this stuff.
Exactly that. Fact is that not all people can be trusted with all things.
You can park a nuke at my place, or a kilo of fentanyl. Or a case of hand grenades. Nothing bad will come of it. Not everybody is that responsible though.
Prince died because someone who couldnt handle the science of fentanyl hot his hands on fentanyl and started selling it to the general public.
We must protect people from fools and criminals.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Asante]
#23423891 - 07/08/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: I don't think Asante is at all about caging people for drugs. Just a different alternative to regulating this stuff.
Exactly that. Fact is that not all people can be trusted with all things.
You can park a nuke at my place, or a kilo of fentanyl. Or a case of hand grenades. Nothing bad will come of it. Not everybody is that responsible though.
Prince died because someone who couldnt handle the science of fentanyl hot his hands on fentanyl and started selling it to the general public.
We must protect people from fools and criminals.
I think I'm missing your point here, obviously not everyone should have access to hand grenades and nukes, but are you saying drugs should be illegal? Wouldn't prince have survived if heroine was legal and regulated, and he could have just gone and picked some up of known purity and potency at his local heroine dispensary?
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Shiithead]
#23423985 - 07/08/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, don't go to church.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Svetaketu]
#23424045 - 07/08/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel that drugs should be regulated such that user-ready dosage forms are available but you need permits to handle super potent or otherwise highly dangerous drugs as powders.
Take Sufentanil. An injection of 1/200,000 gram will get you plenty high. Do you really need to be able to buy a gram of that? If you sneeze on it everybody in the room is knocked into a coma. I'm fine with you buying ampoules of that, or even cases of boxes of ampoules, but not pure ounces. Soime drugs are WAY too dangerous in pure form.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Shiithead]
#23424122 - 07/08/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Everything is dangerous. Life is dangerous.
I've hiked in the mountains in California, Nevada and Utah. In Nevada and Utah there are virtually no rules, and no safety of any kind. You'll have legitimately dangerous trails across slanted surfaces next to sheer cliff with absolutely no safety features or warning at all.
And let me tell you, that is a billion times better in every way than than all the bullshit you have to put up with in California. I love California, but it has waaaay too many regulations and rules and safety bullshit when it comes to hiking and camping. So someone falls off a cliff every once in a while, that person knew the risk and should have been more careful. If they didn't want the risk, then they should have taken it on.
When you start preventing people from going places or doing things just because they're dangerous you've ruined some aspect of the place itself.
There's something beautiful and freeing about being confronted with a legitimate danger where you actually have to be careful and smart.
Edit; having said that, obviously you can't let some random idiot buy a nuke. There are limits to everything.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: nooneman]
#23424535 - 07/08/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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things / actions being illegal never stoped everyone from doing them...are you proposing we'd be better living in a Demolition Man / perfect utopian society?
life is chaos
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: chameleon303]
#23424721 - 07/08/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Black_Sunset]
#23424934 - 07/08/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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no, making more things illegal will not make anything better. much worse actually
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Asante]
#23424981 - 07/08/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Asante I know you said you dont think people should have access to nuclear weapons, I think the only way the human race will transform the way it needs to is by allowing access to all things, for all people, and letting life take its course, chaotic as it may be at first. Eventually, if we do not destroy ourselves, we will progress past the need for all of it. There is a theory out there (I cant remember for the life of me its name) that suggests the transformation into the next stage for human existence will require us to pass a great barrier to progress - a barrier that will either provide us with extinction or passage.
Just like the comets that fucked our planet up, and life survived. That was one barrier. I think we are at the wall of this much larger barrier right now. We are either going to pass through it or disappear into oblivion, probably like much life before us in all other corners of the universe. I know that my life wont get to see the outcome of this barrier we are against - hell at current times we cant even stop killing and raping one another, and arguing incessantly over such drivel. But fucking A do I envy the human that gets to experience that next great transformation!
The human race will never transcend its current state of mentality by creating limitations for itself. We have to pass through the eye of the needle to come out on the other side that embraces love, unity, and peace.
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Re: Would the world be better if everything dangerous was illegal. [Re: Asante]
#23425322 - 07/09/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree to protect people from Criminals. However if some one is foolish, this is where we differ.
I say pray for em but if they choose to, let em go to hell. Let's not force people into heaven.
It's great that you do not want to cage people tho. That's a good belief to have. To not cage fellow human for being mixed up with substances 
Also, do not be afraid to reply to me. I want be able to do anything to you threw a computer screen. Even tho you may be reluctant because of my past posts.
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