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cigarettes and shrooms
    #23421910 - 07/07/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Iv tripped many times on shrooms. :mushroom2:

Iv smoked cigarettes on/off for many years (15/20) and my subconcious knows its bad for me. Hell, killing me.

I feel it is effecting my trips now, as after the initial "come up nerves"
my brain likes to remind me the cigarettes are killing me. Adding to the nervous come up, and presenting "bad vibes"

Opinions?


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23421943 - 07/07/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Stop smoking tobacco. Problem solved


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23421956 - 07/07/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thought that would be the first answer. Not Very helpful or interesting.

Lets move the discussion forward. XX


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23421966 - 07/07/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Well if your brain is saying no, and your body is saying yes, then you are stuck in this physical realm and the only way to access your higher level of consciousness is to acknowledge that fact. If you choose to keep smoking cigarettes even though your brain is telling you (while under thw influence of psychedelics [psyche=mind delic= manifesting] so you are accessing a part of you which is basically all your unconscious thoughts, and thw fleeting ones that you dont focus on) not to, then you will always get that feeling every single time, unless you CHOOSE to change it, or CHOOSE to not have those thoughts in your unconscious mind, which would literally be impossible.

I hope that is a better answer for you


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23421982 - 07/08/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Good point, I guess. The average joe spends most of his (her) time in the psychical realm, cigarettes occupy an extremely addictive part of the brain that I dont want to enter.

I guess my question boils down to:

Does anyone gather extra anxiety from cigarettes while tripping?


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23421999 - 07/08/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

tobacco is one my plant alleys, I hold it in much the same regard as shrooms. Combining them is a powerful experience.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23422009 - 07/08/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Native Americans use tobacco in a ritualistic fashion, or as an aid for ceremonies, i think you peyote road, use plants as teachers and healers, i think you would be able to talk to their spirit and get extra use from them simply because you know how to listen. So, op, if you were to try to listen to tbe tobacco spirit like tbe mushrooms and get some kind of guidance out of it, im sure your feelings would change


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23422030 - 07/08/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Take 5 grams and ask the mushrooms to teach you how to quit smoking.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: Gaspard]
    #23422492 - 07/08/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The mushrooms kept telling me to quit alcohol. 
So I quit after 38 years of moderately high intake.
Best decision ever.
I am sleeping more soundly, getting more done.
Listen to the mushrooms.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: VedicSoma]
    #23422500 - 07/08/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like mushrooms and LSD have planted seeds in my brain to get off Opiates.

I came off tobacco a year ago after 14 years of addiction. It was the best thing I did.

Use the shrooms as a medicine. Think about your tobacco addiction and face it with honesty. I hate to say this but it sounds like you're rationalising the addiction somewhat but each to their own. I think you know deep down the answer to why there's "bad vibes" in your psyche when using shrooms. You and only you know your own truth.


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    #23422507 - 07/08/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23422518 - 07/08/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have to agree with you to an extent Zack. Either you do what you enjoy or you set up boundaries to what you allow yourself to do and ignoring what you do want  in life. Be it smoking, going to college, shooting heroin. You're going to do it if you really want to no matter what. The problem with free will is that people use it to take advantage of others or maybe thier idea of free will is being able to rape and murder. There has to be some sort of line to be drawn as to what one can choose to do in a society.

Sorry I kinda went on a rant there.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23422600 - 07/08/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I see what you're saying there Sonic.
I too pondered about it a lot. Bottom line, I believe that thoughts are like a shadow, there is no self that choose what to think, they just arise.

If you have the will to go love someone or murder him, you will act by this will and the thoughts will follow it, they are secondary. It's like a kid sitting in a car next to his father stirring a plastic wheel.

People might use this as an excuse to do so called bad things, but it's just a side effect.

I think that the education method of robotic behaviour of do's and do not's is the one that might lead one to do bad things (which for me it means hurting others).


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23423210 - 07/08/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Opinions?





Stop smoking. There's a reason psilocybin had around an 80% success rate for people quitting cigarettes.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23423378 - 07/08/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Tobacco does a real number on the lungs, eh?!

I don't smoke it anymore. Smoked it for fun and on occasion since 13 or so.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23423488 - 07/08/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Gather information on lung damage caused by smoking. You can get books at library, find documentaries on youtube. There's tons of stuff out there. Fill your head with that stuff and then make a list of pros and cons of smoking. Write yourself a letter about how you want to stop. Then trip and go through all that stuff. Maybe it will scare the shit out of you bad enough to make you hate tobacco.

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ZacksJourney said:
How about accepting the use of tobacco instead of the useless inner fights?
IMO, trying to stop using your free will is an illusion, eventually you will do what you will do no matter what you think. If you'll stop, you'll stop, you don't have to do anything about it.
Maybe then, your trips will lack the bad vibes.

You enjoy it, you'll die younger.

So what ?




Haha.. that's what me and my wife say when it comes to drinking, smoking weed, and eating too much. Better to die early doing what you love than to grow old and miserable.

But if your inner voice is telling you something, then you either listen or deal with guilt. Smoking can't be as much fun if you feel like a real a-hole each time you light up. Also, I've had shortness of breath from smoking weed and it's like torture. It's the only thing I ever responded to - I cut down big time and it went away.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23423534 - 07/08/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yah man fuck cigs, start vapin some delicious juice and dont combust anything. It'll be way better


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: Universe]
    #23424272 - 07/08/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Haha.. that's what me and my wife say when it comes to drinking, smoking weed, and eating too much. Better to die early doing what you love than to grow old and miserable.




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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: ZacksJourney]
    #23424761 - 07/08/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I love LSD and cigs it always makes me get weird. Cigs taste better on acid imo. Smoke rings look way more cool to, me and my friend ended up breaking his e-cig because he got scared and dropped it on 2 hits. I dont think I ever smoked a cig on shrooms though just LSD.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: TheWiseElf]
    #23424774 - 07/08/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

One of my buddies was a heavy smoker, we tripped one night on mushies, and he smoked during and didn't seem to affect him good or bad. However, for about 3 weeks after he couldn't even look at a smoke without gagging.

He said he didn't feel like he needed them anymore, and he had been smoking for about 15 to 16 years at that point.

He still has the odd one now and then when we drink, but aside from that hes off them.

I like vaping on them however, again with the rings and fog it creates, it makes for a cool effect when you add lights.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23424800 - 07/08/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Good point, I guess. The average joe spends most of his (her) time in the psychical realm, cigarettes occupy an extremely addictive part of the brain that I dont want to enter.

I guess my question boils down to:

Does anyone gather extra anxiety from cigarettes while tripping?




Well the thing with tripping is it overrides just about anything else you put in your system. Those cigs won't do crap for you, or at least you won't feel usual physical/mental comforts it gives you.

You said you don't want to enter that part of your brain. That's precisely where the anxiety comes from. It doesn't come from smoking the actual cigarette. It's the idea that it's bad for you and you know it bad for you yet you're still doing it after you know IT'S BAD FOR YOU. It's your brain punishing yourself for punishing yourself and not listening to what you know to be the right thing.

It's so stupid but the only answer is to stop smoking. I hate to be so simple about it, but seriously what other options do you think there are?


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: LRG]
    #23425258 - 07/08/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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Good point, I guess. The average joe spends most of his (her) time in the psychical realm, cigarettes occupy an extremely addictive part of the brain that I dont want to enter.

I guess my question boils down to:

Does anyone gather extra anxiety from cigarettes while tripping?




Well the thing with tripping is it overrides just about anything else you put in your system. Those cigs won't do crap for you, or at least you won't feel usual physical/mental comforts it gives you.

You said you don't want to enter that part of your brain. That's precisely where the anxiety comes from. It doesn't come from smoking the actual cigarette. It's the idea that it's bad for you and you know it bad for you yet you're still doing it after you know IT'S BAD FOR YOU. It's your brain punishing yourself for punishing yourself and not listening to what you know to be the right thing.

It's so stupid but the only answer is to stop smoking. I hate to be so simple about it, but seriously what other options do you think there are?




You're just talking out of your ass on almost every point.

Cigarettes still have a psychoactive effect when you are tripping, and tripping can amplify your perception of these effects.

He is addicted to cigarettes, so his brain doesn't consider them punishment. They activate reward pathways. His brain wants cigarettes. That's how addiction works.

The one thing you got right is that he obviously has some misgivings about his cigarette addiction, and they are manifesting as anxiety.

OP obviously, just quit cigarettes. Smoking cigarettes is fucking stupid.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: healing]
    #23425293 - 07/09/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

A shroom session gave me stern insight into my 15 years addiction to amphetamines. I had never known (or ignored subconsciously) what my addiction was doing to my body and relationships until the they gave me insight that night. I can honestly say that trip is whats sparked my road to recovery.

That trip was an incredibly hard trip (what some call a bad trip), I guess the truth hurts. This is the reason I am against using benzo's for "bad trips".

As for cigarettes, I see no difference between substance. I would take the trip to heart and put a plan in place to quit.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: LRG]
    #23425307 - 07/09/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Well the thing with tripping is it overrides just about anything else you put in your system. Those cigs won't do crap for you, or at least you won't feel usual physical/mental comforts it gives you.





Not too argue, but anybody who has smoked Mapacho tobacco while taking Changa would disagree. The plants tend to be harmonious and noticeably work with each other when taken with respect.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23425423 - 07/09/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I guess my question boils down to:

Does anyone gather extra anxiety from cigarettes while tripping?




No, not anxiety. But crystal clear awareness. Strangely or not, in my trips I experienced total acceptance and peace with dying right now. But there is absolutely no anxiety. This is the mindset when I look at my cigarette.
I wonder why death is such a common topic in mushroom trips. Don't get me wrong, these weren't bad trips for me. I just have these strong realizations that it could be over anytime. Whilst feeling great about it.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: Spiritwithin]
    #23425595 - 07/09/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Psilocybin treats addictions.

The medicine at work :smile:

Quit smoking. I quitted smoking after I started consuming weed (vaporized) due chronic fatiguing pain.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: AkashicExplorer]
    #23425959 - 07/09/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

dude tripping shows you the problem you know in the back of your head you need to quit so every time you trip thats gonna be in the back of your head

i went through the same thing but with weed mostly because i was spending a lot of money on it. One time the shrooms made me flush a q down the toilet i might have cried too lmao. fight and try to kick it or try to get on that vape shit might make your trips better because atleast your trying to solve the problem instead of trying to forget about it until the psychs remind you.


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Re: cigarettes and shrooms [Re: SgtPepa]
    #23438657 - 07/13/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nope, I'm incapable of inhaling a cig while enjoying time on the other side. Almost like my lungs reject what I'm trying to take in. Dabs (cannabis) on the the other hand, oh yea those are a great pair.  Anyway, I really get what you're saying about your subconscious , do you feel the cig tastes different too? My brain filters out the good feelings and all I can taste is disappointment .


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