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Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not * 3
    #23421587 - 07/07/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So many people complain about how it's so difficult for poor people in America to eat healthy food, and I strongly disagree. It's a complete myth that healthier diets cost more than garbage junk food.

I've been following this guy on YouTube, who made a 7-part video series about surviving on $30 a week of groceries, in NYC no less, AKA the most expensive city in the USA. This post incorporates his day 1 journey, though I strongly recommend young, independent cooks to view all 7 of his videos. He has some interesting and creative recipes (my personal favorite was his vegetarian black bean burger with pickled cabbage):



I'm of the firm belief that eating crappy costs exponentially more money. Microwavable and frozen meals for example, are quite expensive, and the portions are tiny. With the money it costs to buy 1 or 2 microwave meals or a Lunchables, you could make an entire meal of chicken, rice, and veggies for at least 2 people, and have some portions left over.

Then there is other junk food, such as chips, candy, snacks, Oreo's, pre-packaged microwavable snacks like frozen pot pies and French fries and chicken nuggets, cereal, boxed Macaroni packages, ice cream, soda, cookies, etc.. These are not only more expensive than raw foods, but also have no nutritional value whatsoever, rendering its purchase useless as a staple. Really, if you are stock-piling your cabinets with nothing but these inessential items, you are basically spending more money than you would have if you had simply bought some veggies, carbs, and lean meats.

Kale costs 99 cents per bushel, eggs are $1-$2 per dozen, tomatoes are $1-$2 per lb, onions are like 2 quarters a piece, cabbage is 99 cents per head, rice is 2 or 3 dollars for a large bag, beans are 2 or 3 dollars per bag, chicken thighs are 99 cents pet lb, chicken breast is 1.99 per lb, chicken livers and heart and gizzards are $1-2 per lb, pork chops are $1.99 per lb... So, where exactly do people get the idea that you can't cook healthy on a budget?

You can make stir-fried rice with eggs and veggies, you can make home-made chili or soups, you can make curry, you can make omelets, you can make pasta, you can make bean burritos, you can make a couscous or rice medley, you can grill some BBQ chicken with sautéed collard greens, make a kale and beet and pumpkin seed salad, whip up some pork summer rolls, Thai chicken lettuce wraps, or tacos with homemade salsa from fresh-cut tomato, onion, jalapeño, lime, and avocado... these are just some examples of healthy, cheap, and fast cooking that won't take hours of back-breaking labor out of your day to create.

I mean, even whole foods that are expensive can be unhealthy as shit too. Bacon, high-quality cheese, duck fat, sausages, ribs, and gelato, are some of the things that come to mind.

It's funny, because over the course of my lifetime I've seen a lot of poor people stocking their fridge with things like bacon, pancakes, processed cheese, pulled pork, fried chicken, and boxed macaroni, yet rarely do I ever see any greens, vegetables, or fruits.

Personally, I think people make too many excuses. They can't admit to the fact that they don't eat healthy simply because they don't like the taste. That's really what it comes down to, is that healthy food simply doesn't fit their desired flavor profile, because they're so used to eating overly fatty, salty, greasy meals. So they have to create and come up with excuses for how eating healthy is too expensive and all this nonsense, when it's simply not true.

I realize I am saying some controversial things, so does anybody agree or disagree with me here? I'm interested to hear both sides of the argument.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23421631 - 07/07/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with you.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23421637 - 07/07/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I agree and disagree, not everyone has equal access to quality food in every single part of the US. Some places are better than others. For fully able bodied/healthy people sure surviving off such a diet is feasible but not everyone has the same freedom when it comes to what they can consume nor the funds, even if its just $30. Your op and thread title comes off a bit classist :sadyes: 

For myself I know I can have a healthy diet at a relatively low cost but again its because I have access and the means to be able to get such food.

Lack of education on how to eat healthy also contributes to this issue but that's a whole other topic in itself I guess.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: California]
    #23421650 - 07/07/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cool post, that video series seems interesting too (watched the first one).

I go out to eat at restaurants quite a bit. Me and my wife can cook just fine, and grocery shop pretty well, but go to restaurants a bit too often. Good stuff to look into for easy meals.

Education is probably the bigger factor in all this. A lot of people couldn't fry an egg if they tried, simply because they never have prepared anything beyond hot pockets and cold cereal.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: California]
    #23421655 - 07/07/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I agree, so many people are too lazy to buy food and then cook at home.

I walked through the frozen food section at a super Wal-Mart one day and almost threw up, there was a ton of frozen foods, there were all nasty shit food and expensive as well, I could never eat that shit.

The only frozen food I buy are some Trader Joe's frozen pizzas and french fries.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23421672 - 07/07/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I agree and disagree, not everyone has equal access to quality food in every single part of the US. Some places are better than others. For fully able bodied/healthy people sure surviving off such a diet is feasible but not everyone has the same freedom when it comes to what they can consume nor the funds, even if its just $30. Your op and thread title comes off a bit classist :sadyes: 

For myself I know I can have a healthy diet at a relatively low cost but again its because I have access and the means to be able to get such food.

Lack of education on how to eat healthy also contributes to this issue but that's a whole other topic in itself I guess.




It's not like any of the foods that I listed were exotic, or hard to find ingredients. I listed eggs, chicken breast, chicken thighs, kale, tomato, cabbage, beans, and rice. Exactly where the hell could somebody possibly live that they don't have access to any of the ingredients listed?

The only legitimate excuse somebody could have is if they lived in an actual food desert where there are no grocery stores, and the only stores selling food in a 40-mile distance might be 7-11 or the local liquor stores selling snacks.

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Education is probably the bigger factor in all this. A lot of people couldn't fry an egg if they tried, simply because they never have prepared anything beyond hot pockets and cold cereal.




Hot pockets are expensive as shit too! Sometimes I'm really tired after work and don't feel like taking 30 minutes out of my life to cook, so I thought about buying some pre-packaged microwavable frozen snacks, like chicken tenders or pot pies and things of that nature. I was shocked by how expensive these things were! I was like, "Fuck that," this unhealthy garbage is actually like, 5 times more expensive than if I were to make it myself.

$15 for TWO pounds of fried chicken tenders?! That's SEVEN TIMES the cost of raw, fresh chicken breast! And those pot pies came out to over $4 for each pie, wtf! I could get a ready-made pot pie from Boston Market for $6, it's almost the cost of eating out.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: qman]
    #23421681 - 07/07/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah I agree, so many people are too lazy to buy food and then cook at home.

I walked through the frozen food section at a super Wal-Mart one day and almost threw up, there was a ton of frozen foods, there were all nasty shit food and expensive as well, I could never eat that shit.

The only frozen food I buy are some Trader Joe's frozen pizzas and french fries.




I would never, ever buy food at Walmart. Everything looks so crappy and disgusting, their produce always looks horrible and their meat looks funky.

In the past year as far as frozen food goes, I've purchased exactly 1 box of frozen chicken sandwiches. $2.99 for 4 fried chicken sandwiches, so that particular one wasn't too bad price-wise. Wasn't very filling though, didn't make a purchase again.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #23421697 - 07/07/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Your title and thesis statement don't match. My anecdotal evidence is that poor people don't complain about the cost of food because they don't pay for it. I agree that it is an educational issue and I truly appreciate you bringing this issue up, as it is immensely important and is not a subject the mass media will discuss. I think this issue is part of an octopus that has tentacles in healthcare costs, food stamps, education, poverty, health, well being, corporate subsidies and just insert more here, lol.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23421701 - 07/07/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

When people talk about eating healthy being more expensive I always kind of assumed they were talking about things like free range/organic/non GMO type foods. In that case I think it would be more expensive


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Eminence]
    #23421705 - 07/07/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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When people talk about eating healthy being more expensive I always kind of assumed they were talking about things like free range/organic/non GMO type foods. In that case I think it would be more expensive




No, I'm talking about how for example, people make excuses for the poor being obese for example, by stating that unhealthy foods are far cheaper than healthy foods. Which simply isn't true, as the guy in the video I posted above proves.

These are the same stupid people that then will cite McDonald's as an example, stating that a salad is $5.99 while a McChicken is $1. :facepalm:


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23421954 - 07/07/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

english muffin and a bannana for breakfast
or eggs with a bagel

for lunch I sadly still eat poultry still so I bake it before hand and put it in a wrap with cheese and a granola bar
or I'll try to eat a hero

dinner is wtf you want because it's the end of the day


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23421959 - 07/07/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I totally agree that eating healthy doesn't cost more, it's a common misconception that it does.

Nice vid, will have to check this out fully.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23421963 - 07/07/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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When people talk about eating healthy being more expensive I always kind of assumed they were talking about things like free range/organic/non GMO type foods. In that case I think it would be more expensive




No, I'm talking about how for example, people make excuses for the poor being obese for example, by stating that unhealthy foods are far cheaper than healthy foods. Which simply isn't true, as the guy in the video I posted above proves.

These are the same stupid people that then will cite McDonald's as an example, stating that a salad is $5.99 while a McChicken is $1. :facepalm:




Gotcha, yeah that doesn't make much sense. Especially after that story of the dude who lost a bunch of weight eating nothing but McDonalds for a month or so


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Eminence]
    #23423844 - 07/08/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cheap ass carbs is not healthy food imo. Also he uses oil to cook (he did not buy that)

I am not watching all videos, they give me motion sickness. How much weight did he lose by the end of the week?


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #23423939 - 07/08/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Cheap ass carbs is not healthy food imo. Also he uses oil to cook (he did not buy that)

I am not watching all videos, they give me motion sickness. How much weight did he lose by the end of the week?




I bought a bag of quinoa in bulk online. $27 for 10lbs of tri-color quinoa. Lasted me well over 3 months, even eating it 3 times a week or more.

Buying that quinoa enabled me to skip a few meals a week without meat, instead eating more veggies like avocado and tomato, or using eggs instead to make stir fried quinoa, and maybe adding goat cheese every now and then. Thus not only saving me money by not eating meat with every meal, but also was much healthier for me by going vegan or vegetarian for 10% of my meals.

Most of the world's healthiest cuisines are like 90% carbs in each meal, why is that? I'd wager that a bowl of naeng-myeon or udon is healthier than steak and potatoes.

And fyi, sweet potatoes are 99 cents per lb. Good carbs for cheap.

Why would he lose weight? He's eating more than enough for somebody of his BMI. I swear, it's like people dont have any concept of portion control anymore.

And yeah, oil and salt and pepper wasn't included in his budget, since every kitchen has those. I usually only buy coconut oil, butter, or olive oil. These are more expensive, I'd say it costs an extra $20 on the food bill each month in oil.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #23423947 - 07/08/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

what people consider healthy is subjective

some people think eating a steak is a health food and white rice is the devil

the china study found what was called the "diseases of affluence" the poor people eating lots of rice and cheap vegetables  and little bits of meat here and there were far healthier than the people able to consume the more expensive animal products

rice, beans, potatoes, frozen vegetables, are all very cheap options and they just happen to be found in some of the longest living cultures around the world

there is a stigma that veganism is expensive and only a diet rich people could afford which couldn't be further from the truth


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: thelanzii]
    #23424011 - 07/08/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

^^the same guy on YouTube I posted also has a series called "how to live like a vegan king on $50 a week."

I didn't post that one though, cause that video series was made by his brother who isn't nearly as entertaining and is a lot more boring than he is.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23424015 - 07/08/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Eating healthy food that tastes good is more of a challenge when you are on a budget with a limited amount of time to prepare your food.  Leaner beef, decent fish, USDA prime meats, lamb chops, duck, or really nice produce is all pretty expensive.  If you know how to cook and actually research different meals you can make, it's not very hard to eat well on a limited budget.  It isn't really hard to spend a fuck ton of money eating well either.  I've done both, I'd rather eat better quality shit if I have the money.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: fapjack]
    #23424028 - 07/08/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Eating healthy food that tastes good is more of a challenge when you are on a budget with a limited amount of time to prepare your food.  Leaner beef, decent fish, USDA prime meats, lamb chops, duck, or really nice produce is all pretty expensive.  If you know how to cook and actually research different meals you can make, it's not very hard to eat well on a limited budget.  It isn't really hard to spend a fuck ton of money eating well either.  I've done both, I'd rather eat better quality shit if I have the money.




Same, whenever I splurge it's for high quality seafood or ribs or oxtail from the butcher.

Though eating on a budget is not difficult either, really all you need are plenty of seasonings to make anything taste good.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23424053 - 07/08/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Fresh produce, rice, beans, water.

These are the most affordable food items I can think of. These are also the cleanest food items I can think of.

If its taste you want, use dry seasonings over sauces. Use sparingly and a bottle of, say, cajun spice will last a long ass time.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23424055 - 07/08/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The problem is most people can't cook worth a shit.  I'm amazed half the time I go over friends houses and ask where their herbs and spices are.  If all you have is salt, oregano, pepper, and mrs. dash chances are your cooking ability is garbage.  Spices aren't always easy to figure out how to use, and while it does take practice as long as you follow recipes at first it will come.  I don't understand how some people never learn how to prepare food considering how much of their day they spend consuming it.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: fapjack]
    #23424076 - 07/08/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not the type of guy who would deliberately try to eat for 3$ a day, but right now my diner is a 79 cents can of bean and I couldn't be happier. My brreakfast was roughly 60 cents worth of eggs and my lunch was 2 chicken legs. No I didn't have veggies today cause I just didn't feel like eating verggies, but I'm sure I could easy have throwed in a head of brocolli i the mix and be close to that 3$ mark


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: fapjack] * 1
    #23424083 - 07/08/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's not hard to learn how to cook. I didn't learn until I was 25; till then, I was always making ramen or heating canned soup or microwaving chicken tenders or something. Had to learn what flambe and Sautee and all those terms meant, and what the difference between a pan and a pot were.

To this day I don't use exact measurements I simply do everything to taste. Seems to work out just fine for me, and now I consider myself somewhat of a gourmet cook.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: fapjack]
    #23424148 - 07/08/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Check out his list

12 eggs 960kcal
2kg cabbage 440 kcal
bunch of onions 100kcal
piece of ginger 55kcal
2 peaches 80kcal
6 bananas 900kcal
500 gram chicken 1100 kcal
couple jalepenos 40 kcal
2 lemons 35 kcal

thats 3700 kcal for the entire week. An adult male needs about 2500 kcal a day so thats 17500 for the whole week.

17500 - 3700 = 13800/7=1971 kcal per day worth of rice, peas and tortilla pancakes.

Lets say you stick to cooked rice for a day, thats almost two kgs of rice you would have to eat. Chickpeas a little over a kilo. Or mix it up with some tortillas and you'd still need to eat a half a kg of each as well

Healthy or not (I dont think it is), fuck that


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #23424170 - 07/08/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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what people consider healthy is subjective

some people think eating a steak is a health food and white rice is the devil




It isn't subjective. Someone who thinks this way hasn't read enough or watched enough on what makes sugar bad.
I'm not convinced high carb foods are really unhealthy though

Most people are just lazy and junk food is delicious. It's made to be delicious.
Also, most people don't know 'what' is healthy, because we are raises on food that isn't food, at leat where I live.

Children have no conception of the future, try the garbage, won't eat real food, and their stupid parents who think what you eat is trivial and being fat just happens allow their children to poison themselves.
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Check out his list

12 eggs 960kcal
2kg cabbage 440 kcal
bunch of onions 100kcal
piece of ginger 55kcal
2 peaches 80kcal
6 bananas 900kcal
500 gram chicken 1100 kcal
couple jalepenos 40 kcal
2 lemons 35 kcal

thats 3700 kcal for the entire week. An adult male needs about 2500 kcal a day so thats 17500 for the whole week.

17500 - 3700 = 13800/7=1971 kcal per day worth of rice, peas and tortilla pancakes.

Lets say you stick to cooked rice for a day, thats almost two kgs of rice you would have to eat. Chickpeas a little over a kilo. Or mix it up with some tortillas and you'd still need to eat a half a kg of each as well

Healthy or not (I dont think it is), fuck that



I don't see how this is bad. The bread product maybe, but otherwise it sounds nice.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #23424324 - 07/08/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Check out his list

12 eggs 960kcal
2kg cabbage 440 kcal
bunch of onions 100kcal
piece of ginger 55kcal
2 peaches 80kcal
6 bananas 900kcal
500 gram chicken 1100 kcal
couple jalepenos 40 kcal
2 lemons 35 kcal

thats 3700 kcal for the entire week. An adult male needs about 2500 kcal a day so thats 17500 for the whole week.

17500 - 3700 = 13800/7=1971 kcal per day worth of rice, peas and tortilla pancakes.

Lets say you stick to cooked rice for a day, thats almost two kgs of rice you would have to eat. Chickpeas a little over a kilo. Or mix it up with some tortillas and you'd still need to eat a half a kg of each as well

Healthy or not (I dont think it is), fuck that




Your missing a fuck ton of ingredients, he also used chicken thighs and beans and rice and tortillas, and made black bean burgers in one of his recipes.

When I was in sober living we got a budget of $50 per week to spend on food, I still managed to buy non necessities like cigarettes and ice cream and had enough food to make chili and whole wheat pasta and grilled fish tacos and salads for the week.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23424558 - 07/08/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

high carb foods aren't bad, they are what allowed are ancestors to survive and thrive more then half the world lives on less than 2 dollars a day, yet many have fairly long life expectancies

carbs get their bad rap from being associated and paired with heavy fattening animal fats.  fries are drenched in oil, you never see a a baked potato served with out a gaping dollop of butter and sour cream. pizza is topped with heaps of cheese and sodium in the dough, white rice is almost always paired with some greasy ass dense animal product.


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    #23424652 - 07/08/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The China study didn't include any other factors though as far as I remember. That doesn't explain how some of the healthiest communities do include meat in their diet. I'm healthier than my super vegan freak friend and I'm damn near a carnivore. Carbs cause inflammation, that's what is responsible for unhealthy arteries; it's also what causes obesity because carbs spike your insulin way more than any animal products will. People didn't start getting so fat and unhealthy until mass grain and sugar farming became a thing and people thought they needed to stop eating fat. Cancers also feed on glucose, and ketones are better for your mental function than glucose is too. AND carbs also fuck up your teeth, this is why cavemen's skulls always had healthy lookin teeth without any known oral hygiene, bacteria wasn't feeding on carbs and makin destructive acid byproducts, and grains contain phytic acids which inhibit vitamin absorption. Don't turn this into a vegan debate thread please lol


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23424773 - 07/08/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

The shroom farmers here should already have a giant bag of millet. That's some healthy stuff. Go to the store and buy huge bag bird seed. You could live off that healthy shit for pennies a day.


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    #23424795 - 07/08/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

OP, it's easy to say that it's cheaper to cook for yourself when you live somewhere that has grocery stores. Many poor communities don't.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: fapjack]
    #23424810 - 07/08/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Eating healthy food that tastes good is more of a challenge when you are on a budget with a limited amount of time to prepare your food.  Leaner beef, decent fish, USDA prime meats, lamb chops, duck, or really nice produce is all pretty expensive.




Not necessarily, depending on where you live. For the most part catfish is the only consistent cheap fish where I'm at, but I can get 85/15 ground beef for $4.50/lb at my Farmer's Market. Duck when in season. Produce most of all, whether from co-ops, farmer's markets, or produce stands. Of course being in the midwest helps, but in the Southwest the cheapest and best were still from farmer's markets and co-ops.

Pork is healthier than beef and chicken, and pork chops are cheap. Crock-pots help a ton, and will make worse cuts like roasts (shoulder, butt) and cube steak/stew meat awesome. That they (with a timer) can mean dinner is ready when you get home from work is nice too.


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    #23424967 - 07/08/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:tongue2: I like to think I'm excellent at eating well cheaply, and coming up with something given few ingredients. Tonight wasn't anything exciting, but I love meals like it. Grilled loin pork chops at $2.00/lb, and (grilled) a banana pepper and some grape tomatoes I picked yesterday; a maybe 3oz sweet onion at $1.10(?)/lb; and a ~4oz portobello cap at $4.50/lb; with a little olive oil, balsamic vinegar, and sea salt. The porto was the most expensive part. Great and huge meal for about $3.50 (I ate both chops at just over a pound).


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    #23424983 - 07/08/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Rich people make all kinds of shitty excuses for their excesses.  For example, in the Gym this morning, their were two rich fuckers, arrogantly talking about a guy who comes in every morning with a cart, and showers.  he is homeless.  they were saying shit like 'he's like a bad disease you can't get rid of'

I felt like telling them he doesn't have a silver spoon shoved up his ass like you two fucking turds, and maybe he has been through some shit so lay off.  I get tired of this shit, California is the worst example of the Rich Liberal NIMBY mindset. 

Fuck so people are poor, let them eat what they fucking want.  hell when I was poor i went days on end without eating.  So shut the fuck up.


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    #23425047 - 07/08/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nice :drooling: Makes me wanna pick up some portobellos tomorrow to make some stuffed mushrooms with my steak. Soo much steak this week :yesnod:


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Eminence]
    #23425076 - 07/08/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The China study didn't include any other factors though as far as I remember. That doesn't explain how some of the healthiest communities do include meat in their diet. I'm healthier than my super vegan freak friend and I'm damn near a carnivore. Carbs cause inflammation, that's what is responsible for unhealthy arteries; it's also what causes obesity because carbs spike your insulin way more than any animal products will. People didn't start getting so fat and unhealthy until mass grain and sugar farming became a thing and people thought they needed to stop eating fat. Cancers also feed on glucose, and ketones are better for your mental function than glucose is too. AND carbs also fuck up your teeth, this is why cavemen's skulls always had healthy lookin teeth without any known oral hygiene, bacteria wasn't feeding on carbs and makin destructive acid byproducts, and grains contain phytic acids which inhibit vitamin absorption. Don't turn this into a vegan debate thread please lol




i dont care about your anectdotal evidence about you being healthier than your friend. 

carbs spike your insulin more initially
animal products keep your insulin levels higher longer
its why bodybuilders inject insulin

source needed about carbs causing inflammation, makes no sense, most plant foods besides nuts  have a good amount of carbs
heavy fat and animal products cause inflammation from what i have read

every cell in the body is fueled by glucose

keep fueling your brain in a state of ketosis lol

you make a lot of bold claims with no real sources, and then say you dont want to debate. 

vegans have significantly less arterial plaque than meat eaters and humans get atherosclerosis when we eat animal products. 

longest living cultures in the world consume very little meat


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    #23425084 - 07/08/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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    #23425188 - 07/08/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No they don't, I've even bought a glucose meter to monitor this a while ago when I started eating this way. Ketones do fuel your brain more efficiently, lots of people completely agree when they eat this way, it's also why they put epileptic kids on ketogenic diets. Body builders use insulin to shuttle carbs directly to their muscles, has nothing to with heightened insulin levels from animal products, idk where you got that. Trust me I've used insulin for this purpose. And I shouldn't say all carbs, I should say high glycemic carbs and net carbs. Vegetables are good because a lot of the carb content is fiber. You'll be so much worse off eating sugar than you would meat though. I read about doctors and surgeons that say it was excess carbs that cause inflammation, that and I've read other real studies but you can see all kinds of examples of people with arthritis or CVD that improved their conditions under ketosis. Also, most meat eaters also eat lots of junk too, most don't follow a ketogenic diet. I think you should look it up a bit yourself, if you really care to debate about it then just PM me, I'm not trying to get the thread off track.


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    #23425245 - 07/08/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Rich people make all kinds of shitty excuses for their excesses.  For example, in the Gym this morning, their were two rich fuckers, arrogantly talking about a guy who comes in every morning with a cart, and showers.  he is homeless.  they were saying shit like 'he's like a bad disease you can't get rid of'

I felt like telling them he doesn't have a silver spoon shoved up his ass like you two fucking turds, and maybe he has been through some shit so lay off.  I get tired of this shit, California is the worst example of the Rich Liberal NIMBY mindset. 

Fuck so people are poor, let them eat what they fucking want.  hell when I was poor i went days on end without eating.  So shut the fuck up.




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    #23425414 - 07/09/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Eating healthy isnt about money, its about time, effort and taste.

Some people love nasty convenience foods. But youre right, healthy food can be cheaper than TV dinners, BUT its a lot more work to cook it.

Fat people are typically lazy and dont  like cooking and cleaning every meal.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23425551 - 07/09/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Eating healthy isnt about money, its about time, effort and taste.

Some people love nasty convenience foods. But youre right, healthy food can be cheaper than TV dinners, BUT its a lot more work to cook it.

Fat people are typically lazy and dont  like cooking and cleaning every meal.




That's true, but considering there are plenty of meals that take 20 minutes to cook or less, I feel like this is another excuse. Most of my meals take less than 30 minutes to make.

Or you can simply season a chicken thigh or whole fish, and throw it in the oven with some potatoes, asparagus, and strawberries, and call it a meal. 45 minutes later, you've done nothing and your food is ready for you. That's also a $2 meal right there as well.

Put a tinfoil wrap down on the baking tray so you don't have much to clean up after except your plate and utensils.


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    #23425557 - 07/09/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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vegans have significantly less arterial plaque than meat eaters and humans get atherosclerosis when we eat animal products. 

longest living cultures in the world consume very little meat




This is true, not very many vegans suffer from obesity or heart disease for a reason. Meat and animal fat thicken your blood, which causes the clogged arteries.

But it's also why animal products are so essential when you're living in freezing cold climates, cause thicker blood is what helps keep you warmer. Those sherpas on mt. Everest basically drink a butter and milk tea to stay warm. And in the coldest parts of Russia people eat spoonfuls of butter cause they say it's what helps keep you the warmest during winter.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23425562 - 07/09/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Also, its instant gratification.

Go eat out, bam, food ready to eat. No waiting, no cooking, instant food. Fast food. Same with microwaved food.

Thats the mentality of it all, how can i eat the fastest with little to no effort at all? Fast food or microwaved dinners.

if i was a richie rich, i would have a full time cook and get fucking HUGE from it.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: DustBunny]
    #23425566 - 07/09/16 03:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Pork is healthier than beef and chicken, and pork chops are cheap. Crock-pots help a ton, and will make worse cuts like roasts (shoulder, butt) and cube steak/stew meat awesome. That they (with a timer) can mean dinner is ready when you get home from work is nice too.




Pork shoulder/butt is one of the most prized cuts of pork imo. Sooo succulent and fatty. Its served in a lot of Latin cuisines especially around Christmas time, and is best marinated and slow roasted. If you can get a nice sear on it with a fire grill for the final touch, you'll be in heaven.

My favorite restaurant in Philly serves pork shoulder roasted over a wood fire flame, it's the best thing on their menu. I think the butt rivals the belly as the best cut of meat on pork.

I will sometimes find a 10lb pork shoulder for 99 cents per lb when on sale. I buy it and make my own spicy soy BBQ marinade and slow cook it in the oven and broil it. So much of a better deal than paying the $30 it costs to eat the small portion of pork butt at the restaurant.

(And for people who are confused, pork shoulder and butt are the same thing. They are both the butt of pork, I have no idea why they call it pork shoulder to be honest)


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23425569 - 07/09/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Also, its instant gratification.

Go eat out, bam, food ready to eat. No waiting, no cooking, instant food. Fast food. Same with microwaved food.

Thats the mentality of it all, how can i eat the fastest with little to no effort at all? Fast food or microwaved dinners.

if i was a richie rich, i would have a full time cook and get fucking HUGE from it.




I can see that. I think in the future though once smart technology becomes cheap to use in the kitchen, people will start prepping meals the night before, and have it cooked via smartphone on their way home from work.

Kind of like Mellow, the smart sous-vide. If this weren't so damn expensive, I'd love to get it. But for now slow cookers and crock pots will have to be good enough: https://www.cookmellow.com/


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: koods]
    #23425574 - 07/09/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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OP, it's easy to say that it's cheaper to cook for yourself when you live somewhere that has grocery stores. Many poor communities don't.




Unless you live in a food desert where the only food available in a 20 mile radius is 7-11, it's not really an excuse. Almost all grocery stores now have delivery service, with free delivery on orders over $50.

Hell, when I was living in the "ghetto," the local Mexican supermarket would even cater to people without cars, by dropping you off at your house with your groceries if you spent more than $40. This was a free service too, no extra charge.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23425591 - 07/09/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I really don't think that it's even about lack of ability or not wanting to cook either. Ever notice poor people always know how to cook unhealthy meals? Somehow they always know how to whip up some bomb mac n cheese, fried chicken, grits, waffles, and things of that nature.

Really, I think it's more about the fact that they simply don't like healthy food, and don't want to eat it or cook it.


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    #23425670 - 07/09/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's pretty ridiculous that you keep stereotyping 'poor people' like that. It makes you seem pretty ignorant and self righteous to be making a thread to basify a whole class of people like that. "I have money and I eat like this, people who don't have lots of money and don't eat like this are pieces of shit." You could have made a thread about how cheap it is to eat healthy, but no you chose to put poor people on blast. Why? It seems pretty lame of you. Do you think all poor people eat like shit? Are you really that naive to think that people with money aren't unhealthy? I'd hope not because that would be retarded. People's interests vary. Try giving less of a shit what other people do.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23425684 - 07/09/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you're ignorant you're probz more likely to be poor


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23425688 - 07/09/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's pretty ridiculous that you keep stereotyping 'poor people' like that. It makes you seem pretty ignorant and self righteous to be making a thread to basify a whole class of people like that. "I have money and I eat like this, people who don't have lots of money and don't eat like this are pieces of shit." You could have made a thread about how cheap it is to eat healthy, but no you chose to put poor people on blast. Why? It seems pretty lame of you. Do you think all poor people eat like shit? Are you really that naive to think that people with money aren't unhealthy? I'd hope not because that would be retarded. People's interests vary. Try giving less of a shit what other people do.




Because this thread is specifically about poor people who claim eating healthy is too expensive, that's why. This thread does not apply to poor people who eat healthy.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23425702 - 07/09/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Some poor people eat fast food because they gotta work 12+ hours a day working 2 jobs to support their families its faster and more convenient to by a quick fast food meal then go to the grocery store bring it home cook it up serve it and clean up.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23425808 - 07/09/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Check out his list

12 eggs 960kcal
2kg cabbage 440 kcal
bunch of onions 100kcal
piece of ginger 55kcal
2 peaches 80kcal
6 bananas 900kcal
500 gram chicken 1100 kcal
couple jalepenos 40 kcal
2 lemons 35 kcal

thats 3700 kcal for the entire week. An adult male needs about 2500 kcal a day so thats 17500 for the whole week.

17500 - 3700 = 13800/7=1971 kcal per day worth of rice, peas and tortilla pancakes.

Lets say you stick to cooked rice for a day, thats almost two kgs of rice you would have to eat. Chickpeas a little over a kilo. Or mix it up with some tortillas and you'd still need to eat a half a kg of each as well

Healthy or not (I dont think it is), fuck that




Your missing a fuck ton of ingredients, he also used chicken thighs and beans and rice and tortillas, and made black bean burgers in one of his recipes.

When I was in sober living we got a budget of $50 per week to spend on food, I still managed to buy non necessities like cigarettes and ice cream and had enough food to make chili and whole wheat pasta and grilled fish tacos and salads for the week.




Yes chicken like I posted. Did I not mention rice and tortillas? Okay so I did not mention the black beans and the vinegar. Still a crappy diet


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: koods]
    #23425826 - 07/09/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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OP, it's easy to say that it's cheaper to cook for yourself when you live somewhere that has grocery stores. Many poor communities don't.




About those communities.

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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Plain]
    #23425840 - 07/09/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Some poor people eat fast food because they gotta work 12+ hours a day working 2 jobs to support their families its faster and more convenient to by a quick fast food meal then go to the grocery store bring it home cook it up serve it and clean up.



hell even 3 jobs or more :sadyes:

thread is classist

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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23425926 - 07/09/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I really don't think that it's even about lack of ability or not wanting to cook either. Ever notice poor people always know how to cook unhealthy meals? Somehow they always know how to whip up some bomb mac n cheese, fried chicken, grits, waffles, and things of that nature.

Really, I think it's more about the fact that they simply don't like healthy food, and don't want to eat it or cook it.





I've heard plenty of middle class people say they can't afford to eat healthy. When do Americans not steal any excuse they possibly can because at one time or another it has appropriately applied to someone else?


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23426610 - 07/09/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Check out his list

12 eggs 960kcal
2kg cabbage 440 kcal
bunch of onions 100kcal
piece of ginger 55kcal
2 peaches 80kcal
6 bananas 900kcal
500 gram chicken 1100 kcal
couple jalepenos 40 kcal
2 lemons 35 kcal

thats 3700 kcal for the entire week. An adult male needs about 2500 kcal a day so thats 17500 for the whole week.

17500 - 3700 = 13800/7=1971 kcal per day worth of rice, peas and tortilla pancakes.

Lets say you stick to cooked rice for a day, thats almost two kgs of rice you would have to eat. Chickpeas a little over a kilo. Or mix it up with some tortillas and you'd still need to eat a half a kg of each as well

Healthy or not (I dont think it is), fuck that




Your missing a fuck ton of ingredients, he also used chicken thighs and beans and rice and tortillas, and made black bean burgers in one of his recipes.

When I was in sober living we got a budget of $50 per week to spend on food, I still managed to buy non necessities like cigarettes and ice cream and had enough food to make chili and whole wheat pasta and grilled fish tacos and salads for the week.




Yes chicken like I posted. Did I not mention rice and tortillas? Okay so I did not mention the black beans and the vinegar. Still a crappy diet




Did you even see the size of the omelet and other portions he ate? They were huge!

You probably only saw video 1 which explains why your calorie list is lacking. On day 2 and 3 he does more shopping, and day 3 is when he makes banana and chickpea pancakes for breakfasy2 black bean burgers and French fries for himself. Thats plenty for a grown adult to eat in a meal.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: thelanzii] * 1
    #23427013 - 07/09/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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high carb foods aren't bad, they are what allowed are ancestors to survive and thrive more then half the world lives on less than 2 dollars a day, yet many have fairly long life expectancies

carbs get their bad rap from being associated and paired with heavy fattening animal fats.  fries are drenched in oil, you never see a a baked potato served with out a gaping dollop of butter and sour cream. pizza is topped with heaps of cheese and sodium in the dough, white rice is almost always paired with some greasy ass dense animal product.



No, that is not why. I insuline resistance is why carbs are looked upon with suspicion, and some people can be damaged badly with just small amounts. The average diet, PR what people think is healthy, would and did help kill my dad. People have no concept of sugar. It also can effect your gut bacteria. Foods with carbs, as opposed to fake foods like breads, pasta, and cerial, are different though, and don't seem to be bad.

Cerial should defenately be considered child abuse. Diabetes runs in my family, and we always had ceria and pasta, because it tasted good. I got huge and sick. People go third whole lives thinking bread is a staple

Unprocessed animal products are not unhealthy. The vegetable oils are the bad ones, because of their high omwga Sox content. Besides a few exceptions, most vegetable oils are industrial age products, and before the 70's, when every bad desicion seems to have ever been made, we moved away from butter, palm oil, and coconut oil, which are not omega 6's


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23427106 - 07/09/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

what was your fat intake like though?

too much dietary fat can cause insulin resistance



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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: thelanzii] * 1
    #23427117 - 07/09/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You linked to a retard. It has been proven that sugar causes the resistance. That is why chugging oil on a keto diet is effective, consistently. That vegan doctor is wrong, as are all the plant based doctors. They run temporary treatment centers


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: thelanzii]
    #23427133 - 07/09/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

They are all lazy and make excuses. Simple.

I just spent 150GBP on kilograms of nuts (1kg almonds + brazil + cashew), seeds (1kg flaxseed, hemp, sesame, sunflower, pumpkin), legumes and grains on a bulk store. More you buy, cheaper it is. That shit will last me for months.
Fresh fruit is the most expensive here. 2 bucks for a small packet of blueberries, strawberries or cherries. A packet sometimes won't last me a day.

Since I quit opiates, eating healthily is now a massive part of my life. I enjoy chopping up vegetables and making a stir-fry. I enjoy grinding up my seeds + nuts, mixing it with greek yogurt with honey + coconut on top.......SOOOOOOOOOO gooood. That quick snack is a nutritional powerhouse AND tasty.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23427143 - 07/09/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

why are the billions of people who can only afford to eat rice as their staple not diabetic? 

how is this dude who literally poors sugar into his banana smoothies and drinks 800 calories of pure sugar water for breakfast not diabetic?



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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: thelanzii]
    #23427168 - 07/09/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No dude, I eat shit loads of dietary fat and it increased my insulin sensitivity over time.

And don't worry, that dude could easily start noticing some diabetic symptoms if he keeps it up. Nobody ever said you instantly become diabetic when you eat a lot of sugar. You should see how many diabetics improve their health by avoiding sugar. Type 2 diabetes is a result of insulin resistance, nobody who eats a Keto diet becomes diabetic.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: thelanzii]
    #23427188 - 07/09/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I have heard they do have a higher incidence of diabetes in Asia. Rice is a real food though.
That's dirrian rider, he looks as unhealthy as he probably is. He gives insane diet advice and has become shamed in the vegan community. He also has krone's disease, which high carb  hogh caloriediets are beneficial toward, because you don't absorb things right

There is something wrong g with the dichatomy. I see keto people who are ripped, and vegans and high carbers who look from decent to malnourished, but not as oftain overweight long term.

I don't believe in the nonsense that animal products are inheritly unhealthy. If they were so terrible, we would have just eaten plants, instead of going after animals. If there was no nutrician, or less then in plants, it would be a stupid massive waste.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23427204 - 07/09/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Vegan's might be right when they say humans weren't originally meant to eat animals. I mean the only predatory advantage we have is intelligence, but then you see chimps making skewers to kill animals in trees or hippos eating each other then it starts to seem like you really don't need to have claws and carnivorous teeth to eat animals. I think vegans just aren't as overweight in general because the food they eat is more filling with less calories. Whatever the case it has anything to do with "meat makes you fat."

But yeah Durian riders a fool, you have to be a fool to be dating someone like Freelee the Banana Nazi


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Eminence]
    #23427218 - 07/09/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Vegans are a small group, and being conscious ethically may translate into better eating choices. Many Americans don't eat enough veggies anyway.


I don't think he is beyond redemption. YouTube is a great opportunity to make yourself look stupid.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23427233 - 07/09/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I only watched the first video. The way he films is uncomfortable to watch

The challenge was to eat healthy for a week for $21. You telling me that failed after the first day? :rofl:

How much did he spend in the end?


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: DustBunny]
    #23428493 - 07/10/16 06:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Eating healthy food that tastes good is more of a challenge when you are on a budget with a limited amount of time to prepare your food.  Leaner beef, decent fish, USDA prime meats, lamb chops, duck, or really nice produce is all pretty expensive.




Not necessarily, depending on where you live. For the most part catfish is the only consistent cheap fish where I'm at, but I can get 85/15 ground beef for $4.50/lb at my Farmer's Market. Duck when in season. Produce most of all, whether from co-ops, farmer's markets, or produce stands. Of course being in the midwest helps, but in the Southwest the cheapest and best were still from farmer's markets and co-ops.

Pork is healthier than beef and chicken, and pork chops are cheap. Crock-pots help a ton, and will make worse cuts like roasts (shoulder, butt) and cube steak/stew meat awesome. That they (with a timer) can mean dinner is ready when you get home from work is nice too.



Crock pots certainly can make a shitty cut of meat taste delicious.  They are a really good idea for people on a budget that cook multiple meals at once without a lot of time to prepare food.  I try not to eat much meat besides chicken breast because it is extremely lean.  I would eat more fish but it's too expensive unless you aren't picky about it.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23428793 - 07/10/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This may very well be my favorite post in the whole Shroomery.
Healthy is so easy, not to mention practical.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: fapjack] * 1
    #23429349 - 07/10/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you're trying to eat healthy, pork has significantly more nutrients than chicken with only slightly more calories. Loin chops in particular are just about as lean (+still more nutritious), and they are cheap.

I use my crock-pot for cooking individual* meals, it just depends on the size of whatever I'm putting in it. Even using it for only one* meal, I have a ton of recipes that take almost no time to prep. Just through in the meat, spices/etc., and set the timer to  turn on whenever I need it to.


*I usually eat what I made for dinner twice in a night.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: thelanzii]
    #23429361 - 07/10/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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why are the billions of people who can only afford to eat rice as their staple not diabetic? 

how is this dude who literally poors sugar into his banana smoothies and drinks 800 calories of pure sugar water for breakfast not diabetic?





I don't know what this post is in response to, as I haven't read the previous page, but for what it's worth:

Diabetes has many genetic factors, and isn't something that happens instantly. That guy who scoops sugar into his smoothie is still getting less sugar than someone who downs 5 cans of soda a day, and whom also has no signs of diabetes. Fiber intake also reduces your insulin levels, and breaks foods down over time rather than all at once.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: DustBunny]
    #23429373 - 07/10/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Eating healthy is still more expensive though

If you compare within similar food groups the "purest" or healthy variant is more expensive 99% of the time

€ wonderbread < € Wholegrain
€Chicken cuts < € Nugget type things
€ Burgers < € Real beef burgers
€ Sausage < € Steak
€ Flavored Icecream < € Real fruit Sorbet

And so on

Comparing Mcdonalds with home-cooked stuff is not a fair comparison imo


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #23429393 - 07/10/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

eating healthy food isn't more expensive but it requires a hell of a lot of discipline when you have stockpiles of fruits and vegetables on deck as opposed to going out to eat or buying something like processed can food.  when i stockpile fruits and vegetables and healthy food i find that my portions increase and my meal times begin to vary considerably.  maybe 5 or 6 meals a day.  i really do think for most people it ends up balancing out


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: daz01]
    #23432416 - 07/11/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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They are all lazy and make excuses. Simple.

I just spent 150GBP on kilograms of nuts (1kg almonds + brazil + cashew), seeds (1kg flaxseed, hemp, sesame, sunflower, pumpkin), legumes and grains on a bulk store. More you buy, cheaper it is. That shit will last me for months.
Fresh fruit is the most expensive here. 2 bucks for a small packet of blueberries, strawberries or cherries. A packet sometimes won't last me a day.




Yeah, fresh fruits and nuts are the most expensive thing to buy. I often won't buy nuts and will buy raw, unsalted pumpkin seeds since pumpkin seeds are a lot cheaper, at $2.99 a bag as opposed to $8.99 for walnuts.

Blueberries are super expensive on the east coast, $3.99 for a tiny packet of blueberries. Too expensive. In California I could have gotten 3 packs of blueberries at the farmer's market for $1


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23432418 - 07/11/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think the dollar menu is the cheapest most economical way to eat hands down, no way to disprove it imo.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #23432432 - 07/11/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Eating healthy is still more expensive though

If you compare within similar food groups the "purest" or healthy variant is more expensive 99% of the time

€ wonderbread < € Wholegrain
€Chicken cuts < € Nugget type things
€ Burgers < € Real beef burgers
€ Sausage < € Steak
€ Flavored Icecream < € Real fruit Sorbet

And so on

Comparing Mcdonalds with home-cooked stuff is not a fair comparison imo




No way, chicken thighs can be bought at 99 cents per lb. Pre-made frozen nuggets are like $15 for 2-3lbs, that's almost 7-8x markup!

You're right about the bread and ice cream though. Personally, I hate bread sold in American supermarkets, it tastes like paper to me. I usually eat whole-wheat pasta, quinoa, rice, barley, or corn tortillas for my carbs instead. I don't do bread unless it's really good bread from Whole Foods or the Japanese market or something.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: goop]
    #23432438 - 07/11/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the dollar menu is the cheapest most economical way to eat hands down, no way to disprove it imo.




It certainly is the cheapest, but it's also the least nutritious way to eat. Just empty carbs and fats--anybody else ever notice when they eat off the dollar menu they're hungry again in 1-2 hours?


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23432455 - 07/11/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23432463 - 07/11/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'd guess the cheapest way to get good fruit for you up there is from a co-op. Fruit is of course cheapest in areas where grown, and co-ops can get really close to those prices all the way across the country. I just bought 10lb of excellent peaches for $11, 25lb boxes were $23. They don't get much cheaper than this as I'm minutes away from their origin, but co-ops can get close to it.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: DustBunny]
    #23432892 - 07/11/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think you are missing the time component. Most poor people are working so many hours and doing other things when they aren't working that there just isn't enough time for cooking.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: bendychicken]
    #23432927 - 07/11/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I work a lot. Many meals take <15min to prep, especially with crock-pots. It's almost always more an issue of motivation or laziness than not having enough time. A lot of the time it's a matter of gathering all ingredients and putting them in the crock-pot. <5 minute prep-time.


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    #23433036 - 07/11/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Crockpots are the shit. I've been using them almost exclusively lately. I just finished making some shredded chicken with mozzarella jalapeños chili powder with some chipotle sauce for my coconut flour tortillas. So good.


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    #23433089 - 07/11/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If you don't have a timer yet to turn it on/off while you're away, they make them even better.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: DustBunny]
    #23433164 - 07/11/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I work a lot. Many meals take <15min to prep, especially with crock-pots. It's almost always more an issue of motivation or laziness than not having enough time. A lot of the time it's a matter of gathering all ingredients and putting them in the crock-pot. <5 minute prep-time.




Seriously, all of my meals don't take longer than 30 minutes to cook, unless I'm making something extravagant on my day off or something.

Or as I mentioned earlier--You could always season and throw some chicken thighs with potatoes and asparagus and strawberries in the oven. Easy peasy, minimal prep work and clean up.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23433182 - 07/11/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: DustBunny]
    #23433448 - 07/11/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I work a lot. Many meals take <15min to prep, especially with crock-pots. It's almost always more an issue of motivation or laziness than not having enough time. A lot of the time it's a matter of gathering all ingredients and putting them in the crock-pot. <5 minute prep-time.




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    #23433586 - 07/11/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the dollar menu is the cheapest most economical way to eat hands down, no way to disprove it imo.



with 5$ of ingredients I could easily make the nutritional equivalent of like 20 dollar menu items :rofl:


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: DustBunny]
    #23434047 - 07/12/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I work a lot. Many meals take <15min to prep, especially with crock-pots. It's almost always more an issue of motivation or laziness than not having enough time. A lot of the time it's a matter of gathering all ingredients and putting them in the crock-pot. <5 minute prep-time.




You can also cook a bunch of meals on your days off.  I cook 4 days worth of meals at a time for the week, portion them out and that way it's easier for me to control my calorie intake.  It sucks eating the same thing 4 days in a row but you get used to it.


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: thelanzii]
    #23434108 - 07/12/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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what people consider healthy is subjective

some people think eating a steak is a health food and white rice is the devil

the china study found what was called the "diseases of affluence" the poor people eating lots of rice and cheap vegetables  and little bits of meat here and there were far healthier than the people able to consume the more expensive animal products

rice, beans, potatoes, frozen vegetables, are all very cheap options and they just happen to be found in some of the longest living cultures around the world

there is a stigma that veganism is expensive and only a diet rich people could afford which couldn't be further from the truth




As a vegan, I can confirm that being vegan is easy and inexpensive if you like to cook.

It's not often that I see other people cite data from The China Study. Props, man.

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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: WeAreMushroom] * 1
    #23434118 - 07/12/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Nemmies said:
what people consider healthy is subjective

some people think eating a steak is a health food and white rice is the devil

the china study found what was called the "diseases of affluence" the poor people eating lots of rice and cheap vegetables  and little bits of meat here and there were far healthier than the people able to consume the more expensive animal products

rice, beans, potatoes, frozen vegetables, are all very cheap options and they just happen to be found in some of the longest living cultures around the world

there is a stigma that veganism is expensive and only a diet rich people could afford which couldn't be further from the truth




As a vegan, I can confirm that being vegan is easy and inexpensive if you like to cook.

It's not often that I see other people cite data from The China Study. Props, man.

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im just fuckin with ya :cheers:


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Patlal]
    #23434431 - 07/12/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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OP, it's easy to say that it's cheaper to cook for yourself when you live somewhere that has grocery stores. Many poor communities don't.




About those communities.

Do they really exist?
How the hell does that happen?




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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Patlal]
    #23434453 - 07/12/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Posting for reference, so this pops up in my threads

Carry on

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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Crystal G]
    #23435041 - 07/12/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Wow that is cheap!

Here in Holland meat/poultry is a lot more expensive


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Re: Poor People Make Excuses By Whining About Eating Healthy Food Being More Expensive, when It's Not [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #23435402 - 07/12/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Wow that is cheap!

Here in Holland meat/poultry is a lot more expensive




That's true, but people in Holland are typically much richer than in America.

A lot of people in America are on food stamps or barely scraping by from paycheck to paycheck, plus certain meats like poultry and grains are subsidized by the USDA, which keep the costs of chicken and bread very low.


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