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Thayendanegea
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Shroomslip]
#23437823 - 07/13/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: Just out of curiosity and I am no supporter of Bush, but how was he supposed to react? Get up and starting screaming and scare the shit out of the kids? 
Lol....How about....Excuse me kids, I have to depart early...there is an unprecedented national emergency, you will soon be aware of . Make sure you study hard and don't do drugs. Bye now. Not rocket science for the leader of the free world.Anyway, that's water over the dam...you obviously missed my point.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23437836 - 07/13/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The higher prevalence of black on black crime is evidence of systemic racism. I don't get people who bring this up against someone complaining about systemic racism. Why does this phenomenon of black on black crime exist? Two choices: (A) The cause is something inherent to black people, such as they are naturally more violent, biologically have less self control, or something to that effect [ = you are racist], or (B) The cause is something external and accidental to black people, such as their environment, class, socioeconomic status, etc. So, you're either admitting you are a racist, or you are agreeing that systemic racism is significant and real.
Heart disease kills far more black males than cops or other black males, what if somebody were to say that we should keep quiet about police violence until we start first campaigning against obesity and heart disease?
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23437844 - 07/13/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is no systemic racism. Otherwise there wouldn't be black people who refuse to live that hood culture lifestyle and end up becoming successful. Nobody is forcing black people to kill each other. It's a culture thing not a race thing, and a lot of them choose to follow the culture. I mentioned it already before, but talk to some older black people and I bet a good amount of them will tell you that the term "systemic racism" is bullshit.
And you're part of the problem by giving ultimatums like that..you're racist if you don't believe in something that doesn't exist. Are you kidding me?
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
#23437849 - 07/13/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said: There is no systemic racism. Otherwise there wouldn't be black people who refuse live that hood culture lifestyle and end up becoming successful. Nobody is forcing black people to kill each other. It's a culture thing not a race thing, and a lot of them choose to follow the culture. I mentioned it already before, but talk to some older black people and I bet a good amount of them will tell you that the term "systemic racism" is bullshit.
You know damn well that success is largely a matter of luck, and has little to do with refusing to live any type of lifestyle. You could start a business and it could fail and you could wind up millions of dollars in debt, you could work hard towards getting your PhD and still find yourself unemployed.
When you live in cities with close to 50% unemployment rates, there just aren't any job opportunities. That's why so many people in these situations turn to selling drugs or selling their bodies to survive. I was watching on Drugs Inc that those guys standing on the corner selling dope can turn a profit of $50K a month. Don't act like you wouldn't do the same if you were in their shoes.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Crystal G]
#23437857 - 07/13/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I could make 50k a month by sellin drugs I wouldn't keep it going and pretend I can't do anything because I'm black, I would move and make something out of it. Plus you're implying it's only drug charges holding them back..you're forgetting about the rapes, shootings, robberies, pimping, etc.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Crystal G]
#23437859 - 07/13/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: The higher prevalence of black on black crime is evidence of systemic racism. I don't get people who bring this up against someone complaining about systemic racism. Why does this phenomenon of black on black crime exist? Two choices: (A) The cause is something inherent to black people, such as they are naturally more violent, biologically have less self control, or something to that effect [ = you are racist], or (B) The cause is something external and accidental to black people, such as their environment, class, socioeconomic status, etc. So, you're either admitting you are a racist, or you are agreeing that systemic racism is significant and real.
It's a combination of both A and B, humans are a product of their genetics and environment, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that reality.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
#23437861 - 07/13/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said: If I could make 50k a month by sellin drugs I wouldn't keep it going and pretend I can't do anything because I'm black, I would move and make something out of it. Plus you're implying it's only drug charges holding them back..you're forgetting about the rapes, shootings, robberies, pimping, etc.
Well, I'm sure most of that money goes back to the gangs that supply the drugs, I'm sure those guys actually standing on the corner risking their freedom probably make closer to $150-$200 a day. Still better than no job. And usually the guys doing these are high-schoolers are college-aged, and that's damn good money for somebody that age.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
#23437887 - 07/13/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said: If I could make 50k a month by sellin drugs I wouldn't keep it going and pretend I can't do anything because I'm black, I would move and make something out of it. Plus you're implying it's only drug charges holding them back..you're forgetting about the rapes, shootings, robberies, pimping, etc.
You honestly would stop selling drugs, which is relatively easy, making 50k a month... To go get a real job, working harder and making less?
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: LocN9ne]
#23437896 - 07/13/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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At a certain point, yes, because I value my safety and freedom more than money. And you're only assuming I'd end up making less anyway.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: LocN9ne]
#23437903 - 07/13/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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600k a year isn't worth the jail time you'd get in a lot of countries. If you're moving that much product you'll also need things like guns and that instantly ups the risk factor. Yeah it could be 10 years worth of living but it won't happen, it's not like most drug dealers are going to invest. What happens if it's confiscated? It wouldn't do you much good then. If you're 30 and get 10 years, suddenly you're 40 with 10 years of cash on you. Do you deal with the shitter job market now that you're a felon or go back to dealing drugs? Large scale drug dealing is for fucking retards I don't care how you swing it.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Crystal G]
#23437905 - 07/13/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So police shooting blacks is white people's fault and the fact that blacks commit ridiculous amounts of crime is also white people's fault. Well shit, we just can't catch a break. Can black people do any wrong, or is it all white people's fault?
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
#23437917 - 07/13/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said: At a certain point, yes, because I value my safety and freedom more than money. And you're only assuming I'd end up making less anyway.
You'd have no experience or education, what could you possibly do, aside from opening up your own business? And unless that business is EXTREMELY lucrative and you invested millions of dollars for a fine establishment, there's absolutely no way you could exceed $50K in profits BTW...
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Crystal G]
#23437941 - 07/13/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: The higher prevalence of black on black crime is evidence of systemic racism. I don't get people who bring this up against someone complaining about systemic racism. Why does this phenomenon of black on black crime exist? Two choices: (A) The cause is something inherent to black people, such as they are naturally more violent, biologically have less self control, or something to that effect [ = you are racist], or (B) The cause is something external and accidental to black people, such as their environment, class, socioeconomic status, etc. So, you're either admitting you are a racist, or you are agreeing that systemic racism is significant and real.
Kinda sounds like a false dichotomy. Why do you believe that the explanation must be one of those two options?
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Crystal G]
#23437943 - 07/13/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well some black people make it work and do get out of that lifestyle. Racism is racism, it doesn't discriminate against who is more black, right? What about white families in trailer parks, are they victims of discrimination too?
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence] 2
#23438151 - 07/13/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe that there is a huge misunderstanding of what goes on in ghetto type neighborhoods by people that have never been anywhere near them. I would take Crystals ideas and opinions a whole hell of a lot quicker than some Canadian that faints when they see a black person. Because I know she's been in them and even hung out while copping drugs. I never understood things until I copped drugs there and spent time in Baltimore City Jail where I was by far the minority. These kids don't live with their parents...if they're lucky, they may be with an Aunt or their grandparents...most of them are from broken families....where their real parents are either dead or in jail or junkies. One of my biggest and most important epiphanies in life was sitting in a cramped jail cell in a 1800's building surrounded by people who had little regard for their own life or for others....realizing that I would be exactly like them had I grown up like they did...I know myself that well.
It is almost impossible for them to break that cycle by getting a paying job because no one will hire them for anything more than a hourly labor type job where they can get no benefits and even those jobs are hard to come by. The people they grow up idolizing are not the good people who have managed somehow to carve out an honest living.....It's the ones with the gold teeth and the shiny black SUV's and the women on their arms...that's who they look up to. They don't fear cops...cops and jail are just an inconvenience to their business. The guy in my cell hadn't hit 25 yrs. old yet and he had been shot 17 times....Name was Lucky. He was funny as hell and had a quick wit that could make anyone laugh. He had his hip blown out with a 44mag so he walked with a limp. He told me his mom was a street addict and father was dead...he had several brothers and sisters that he helped take care of. I met a lot of characters in there and learned a lot about their lives...most didn't expect to see their thirties. To an outsider, they seem like thugs and savages but they all have sad stories. The shit that they see on a daily basis is like hell on earth.
Anybody that sits in their house in the county that was raised in a decent family has nothing in common with them except that they are both human beings. Everybody just calls them niggers and thugs and as long as they shoot each other, no one really gives a rats ass. When this lifestyle gets to a boiling point and they get an excuse to lash out at cops or store owners that take advantage of them...they just lose it...pure rage ensues. I can understand this...the people who have never been there can't.
People talk about how they will rape and take advantage of a white woman when they get a chance....but, what I saw was the opposite....they were very courteous and even protective of them. IDK, I guess I'm done ranting but it really pisses me off when people have such strong opinions on a lifestyle that they know nothing about except what they read on a computer screen or hear from another out of touch friend.
There is no easy solution to this dilemma....maybe legalizing drugs would help because drugs really are the root of all of these troubles... or maybe companies should try to hire more ex cons...give them a shot.A little compassion would be a great start.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23438240 - 07/13/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not only outsiders with no experience that say these things. People who have lived in the ghettos or otherwise shitty living condition also don't believe there is no hope of creating a decent living if you were raised in those conditions. Of course those are the ones that actually made it out instead of make excuses to hinder themselves and then blame other people because they hindered themselves.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
#23438264 - 07/13/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Well some black people make it work and do get out of that lifestyle. Racism is racism, it doesn't discriminate against who is more black, right? What about white families in trailer parks, are they victims of discrimination too?
I can see why people join gangs in those communities though.
Basically, once you join a gang, the money and the food doesn't stop rolling in, as long as you do what they say.
And if you are being beaten up or threatened at school or in the neighborhood or anywhere else, you are offered some kind of protection.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23438278 - 07/13/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, you only have to potentially rob, assault, and murder people. They just didn't have a choice though.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Plain]
#23438287 - 07/13/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plain said: You guys know what cops seem to kill more men than women i think the system is sexist now im gonna start a movement all men matter
Whos with me?
I wonder if i can get funding too $$$
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23438292 - 07/13/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can see why lazy people with no morals join gangs, lots of people (blacks) don't, I wonder why?
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