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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23426820 - 07/09/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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a resounding yes is the answer to that question, the video shows him attempting to go for the gun


do you still have a problem with him being shot or will you keep defending violent pedophiles




Attempting to go for the gun. Can you read his mind? Until he has his hand on that gun, lethal force is not acceptable. There are too many examples of that excuse. Innocent people are being killed for because they are mistakenly assessed to be going for a gun. Cops have to accept more risk to themselves to protect the innocent. If they don't want to take that risk, they don't have to be cops.

These guys demand we see them as heroes despite example after example of them acting like cowards.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426824 - 07/09/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

He was part of his own revolution, a solo rogue hero fighting againist trigger happy cops who want any excuse to kill someone.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods] * 2
    #23426829 - 07/09/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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cops have the same rights as you and I




Cops are agents of the government and are constrained by the rights granted to the people. Cops are not civilians.


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did you know that in most states that any armed citizen can shoot someone that
they feel is a legitimate threat to their person? they dont even have to feel
their life is in danger, that's right, even if you have no weapon in your hand
and you decide to threaten someone and take steps that make the threat appear



So, when a person who has done nothing wring is confronted by the police with weapons drawn, do they have the right to kill the cop?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods] * 1
    #23426834 - 07/09/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

With so many cops with itchy fingers, i definitely agree we must defend againist dangerous, lethal cops who think killing is always justifiable if its them doing the shooting.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23426840 - 07/09/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Seems fairly hypocritical for you to be against the execution of 2nd amendment rights, considering how often you cry about them when it comes to talk about restricting access to yer shiny toys.





so you support violent felons and child molesters arming themselves


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23426841 - 07/09/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why is your position so complicated?



It's not. Your reasoning skills are simplistic.

You want us to denounce the attacks on the cops, but you have no interest in addressing the issue that is at the core of the problem: police brutality and violence. All I hear is justification for killing after killing. Can you even acknowledge we have a serious problem with policing?




I have acknowledged that police brutality is a thing..multiple times. Read carefully. Another problem we have is assuming cops are guilty if shit goes wrong for the citizen. Example: Michael Brown.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #23426842 - 07/09/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With so many cops with itchy fingers, i definitely agree we must defend againist dangerous, lethal cops who think killing is always justifiable if its them doing the shooting.





should we also defend ourselves against dangerous, violent liberals?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426844 - 07/09/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Seems fairly hypocritical for you to be against the execution of 2nd amendment rights, considering how often you cry about them when it comes to talk about restricting access to yer shiny toys.





so you support violent felons and child molesters arming themselves




If its to defend themselves from the threat of violent cops who wish harm upon them, yes. Even they are deserving of due process.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426845 - 07/09/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I'd rather empower the victim than the perpetrator. Thats the whole point of gun control, getting guns in the right hands.




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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23426846 - 07/09/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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cops have the same rights as you and I




Cops are agents of the government and are constrained by the rights granted to the people. Cops are not civilians.





well that's a lovely speech, now show me where cops dont have the same rights that we do


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did you know that in most states that any armed citizen can shoot someone that
they feel is a legitimate threat to their person? they dont even have to feel
their life is in danger, that's right, even if you have no weapon in your hand
and you decide to threaten someone and take steps that make the threat appear



So, when a person who has done nothing wring is confronted by the police with weapons drawn, do they have the right to kill the cop?




I see, so the Dindu defense now

did alton sterlings 'dindu nuffin'?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23426847 - 07/09/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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With so many cops with itchy fingers, i definitely agree we must defend againist dangerous, lethal cops who think killing is always justifiable if its them doing the shooting.




That is not the message you're getting across, you want cops of any kind to die whether they're guilty of harming any citizens or not. That's why you're happy that cops in Texas died as a result of some black guys dying half way across the country. Emotional


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Asante]
    #23426849 - 07/09/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd rather empower the victim than the perpetrator. Thats the whole point of gun control, getting guns in the right hands.








no, the point of gun control is to remove the guns from the hands of law abiding
citizens so that all can be victims of violent criminals like sterlings


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Asante]
    #23426852 - 07/09/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You have the right to bear arms to overthrow the government if it goes rogue.

Thats exactly whats happening.





Maybe. But the people are doing a really fucking poor job of executing it. In fact I don't think that this was what that was about at all. I think it was someone who let the flames of media fuel their own beliefs or desires. I haven't been following this but I know enough to know that this was not an organized attempt to overthrow any government. This was the case of an idiot, heated by emotion, with a gun. This is only to bring in chaos. It's not going to begin to encourage the masses to realize the corruption (or at least incompetence) of the government and DO SOMETHING. This is only going to fuel irrational fear to no good end.


It's only fueling an "Us vs Them" mentality. White people vs black people. Minorities vs Police. This isn't even close to addressing the real issue and much much farther away from dealing with it. The people need police and military, at least a good portion of them, to be on their side in order to effectively overthrow a government. Indiscriminately killing them doesn't help.


I'm as unhappy about the people that opened fire against police for no good reason as I have been about police opening fire against civilians for no good reason.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23426855 - 07/09/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
He was part of his own revolution, a solo rogue hero fighting againist trigger happy cops who want any excuse to kill someone.




Are you well?  He murdered cops NOT associated with killing innocent people, where's the logic behind supporting that action?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman] * 1
    #23426858 - 07/09/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This is one of the rare times I agree with you qman :sadyes:


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23426873 - 07/09/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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This is one of the rare times I agree with you qman :sadyes:




I'm glad you do because we have several "peace and loving" members on this site CELEBRATING the murdering of innocent cops because they feel other cops MIGHT have used excessive force in another situation.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman] * 1
    #23426886 - 07/09/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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This is one of the rare times I agree with you qman :sadyes:




I'm glad you do because we have several "peace and loving" members on this site CELEBRATING the murdering of innocent cops because they feel other cops MIGHT have used excessive force in another situation.





they arent just celebrating it, they're encouraging it


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman]
    #23426898 - 07/09/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly I have a feeling it could be as simple as this..cops arrest people for using drugs. Therefor, cops are the natural enemy of everyone here. There's no other reason anyone here could be glad that cops that didn't kill those men were killed themselves because they wear the same uniform, while saying that convicted criminals of similar offenses shouldn't be killed by cops too.

That's just me trying to make sense of all this nonsense I see here :lol:


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23426908 - 07/09/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Honestly I have a feeling it could be as simple as this..cops arrest people for using drugs. Therefor, cops are the natural enemy of everyone here. There's no other reason anyone here could be glad that cops that didn't kill those men were killed themselves because they wear the same uniform, while saying that convicted criminals of similar offenses shouldn't be killed by cops too.

That's just me trying to make sense of all this nonsense I see here :lol:




Then you should rejoice at politicians being killed, not cops.

Cops don't make laws, politicians do.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426927 - 07/09/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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qman said:
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CookieCrumbs said:
This is one of the rare times I agree with you qman :sadyes:




I'm glad you do because we have several "peace and loving" members on this site CELEBRATING the murdering of innocent cops because they feel other cops MIGHT have used excessive force in another situation.





they arent just celebrating it, they're encouraging it




That's also true, earlier in this thread I stated if you they want to see change in policing tactics and laws, they need to lobby in a peaceful matter to their Representatives like civilized people do when they want to see change.

Trying to make it a minorities vs police battle isn't going to work, it will only makes things even worse.

When that racist in the White House leaves office, this country has a better chance of finding peace on these social issues.


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