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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426723 - 07/09/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Jesus Christ, Pris, when you have to say we're not as bad as the shitholes of the world, you've already conceded the fact that we are not doing a good job.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23426727 - 07/09/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You're assuming I agree with all these cases. I agree that cops should be more competent, but I also acknowledge that there are lots of cases where shootings are justified. I'm confused, I don't even know exactly why you responded like that to my comment towards Logical chaos. He's saying people shouldn't be killed unless they're murderers themselves, I'm saying if he thinks that then he shouldn't be glad that cops were killed when they weren't murderers either. And if you try to justify it because they're associated with other murderous cops then that would make you a bigot like the so-called racist cops you hate so much. This is why I think you, him, Sophist, Supachopped and anyone else who thought this shooting was justified are just emotional people.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426734 - 07/09/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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Jesus Christ Koods. Again, I am not implying that cops never abuse their power. But if a cop isn't a murderer himself, why should he be killed? You're probably going to say "I don't condone them being killed" and then go on to justify cops being killed. Just admit that you're an emotional person and not a rational one.



I'm not saying they are murderers.





you've been saying that for years, did you suddenly change you mind?

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I'm saying we set the bar to low for what is considered justifiable use of lethal force. There needs to be an actual threat, not this "I thought he might have a gun" that shit can't fly anymore.




what do you consider justifyable? should that apply to everyone? did alton sterlings have a gun?




Did he try to use it is the question you should be asking. This is America, a lot of people have guns. Are you suggesting that exercising the 2nd amendment right to bear arms is justification for the police to take a life?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
    #23426740 - 07/09/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't say it was morally justified. The problem here is that my position is too complicated for you to understand in your current emotional condition. Get your shit together before you misrepresent me again.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23426748 - 07/09/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
Jesus Christ, Pris, when you have to say we're not as bad as the shitholes of the world, you've already conceded the fact that we are not doing a good job.




so you arent going to answer the question?


let me ask koods, why do you think america is so bad?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23426754 - 07/09/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why is your position so complicated?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
    #23426764 - 07/09/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You're assuming I agree with all these cases. I agree that cops should be more competent, but I also acknowledge that there are lots of cases where shootings are justified. I'm confused, I don't even know exactly why you responded like that to my comment towards Logical chaos. He's saying people shouldn't be killed unless they're murderers themselves, I'm saying if he thinks that then he shouldn't be glad that cops were killed when they weren't murderers either. And if you try to justify it because they're associated with other murderous cops then that would make you a bigot like the so-called racist cops you hate so much. This is why I think you, him, Sophist, Supachopped and anyone else who thought this shooting was justified are just emotional people.




I never said it was justified, i said it was no surprise that it happens when you leave people with no sense of recourse except violence. If cops were held accountable for their actions, this kind of thing wouldn't happen. People are mad. They see violent cops being praised by people like Pris who essentially proclaim that cops can do no wrong. You have half the country who either don't see police violence as a problem, or even think it's a good thing - getting rid of the criminal element in the street.

Violence against the police is only going to be prevented if something is done to reduce the amount of violence and abuse directed at citizens by the police. The solution to this problem is in the hands of the cops.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
    #23426766 - 07/09/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Because life is complicated. Simple opinions are ill suited to a complicated reality


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
    #23426767 - 07/09/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Why is your position so complicated?



It's not. Your reasoning skills are simplistic.

You want us to denounce the attacks on the cops, but you have no interest in addressing the issue that is at the core of the problem: police brutality and violence. All I hear is justification for killing after killing. Can you even acknowledge we have a serious problem with policing?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Eminence]
    #23426771 - 07/09/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I am emotional.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23426777 - 07/09/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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Eminence said:
Jesus Christ Koods. Again, I am not implying that cops never abuse their power. But if a cop isn't a murderer himself, why should he be killed? You're probably going to say "I don't condone them being killed" and then go on to justify cops being killed. Just admit that you're an emotional person and not a rational one.



I'm not saying they are murderers.





you've been saying that for years, did you suddenly change you mind?

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I'm saying we set the bar to low for what is considered justifiable use of lethal force. There needs to be an actual threat, not this "I thought he might have a gun" that shit can't fly anymore.




what do you consider justifyable? should that apply to everyone? did alton sterlings have a gun?




Did he try to use it is the question you should be asking.




a resounding yes is the answer to that question, the video shows him attempting to go for the gun


do you still have a problem with him being shot or will you keep defending violent pedophiles

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This is America, a lot of people have guns. Are you suggesting that exercising the 2nd amendment right to bear arms is justification for the police to take a life?




why do liberals love to lie so much, was alton sterlings shot simply because he
was exercising his rights? was this violent, felon pedophile legally allowed to
own a gun? once more it seems that liberals cannot distinguish between law
abiding and criminal behaviors. a criminal behavior would be to flash the gun at
a homeless man and threaten him because he asked for a few bucks, that's
apparently to liberals, acceptable behavior just as robbing liquor stores,
burning towns and murdering cops is acceptable behaviors to liberals

should the cops simply have allowed sterlings to shoot them?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23426779 - 07/09/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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Eminence said:
You're assuming I agree with all these cases. I agree that cops should be more competent, but I also acknowledge that there are lots of cases where shootings are justified. I'm confused, I don't even know exactly why you responded like that to my comment towards Logical chaos. He's saying people shouldn't be killed unless they're murderers themselves, I'm saying if he thinks that then he shouldn't be glad that cops were killed when they weren't murderers either. And if you try to justify it because they're associated with other murderous cops then that would make you a bigot like the so-called racist cops you hate so much. This is why I think you, him, Sophist, Supachopped and anyone else who thought this shooting was justified are just emotional people.




I never said it was justified, i said it was no surprise that it happens when you leave people with no sense of recourse except violence. If cops were held accountable for their actions, this kind of thing wouldn't happen. People are mad. They see violent cops being praised by people like Pris who essentially proclaim that cops can do no wrong. You have half the country who either don't see police violence as a problem, or even think it's a good thing - getting rid of the criminal element in the street.

Violence against the police is only going to be prevented if something is done to reduce the amount of violence and abuse directed at citizens by the police. The solution to this problem is in the hands of the cops.




Most people are concerned about the criminal activity in their communities, they don't see "police violence as a problem" because it's not really a problem for 99.9% of US citizens.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
    #23426784 - 07/09/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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koods said:
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Eminence said:
Why is your position so complicated?



It's not. Your reasoning skills are simplistic.

You want us to denounce the attacks on the cops, but you have no interest in addressing the issue that is at the core of the problem: police brutality and violence. All I hear is justification for killing after killing. Can you even acknowledge we have a serious problem with policing?





you dont want to address the other core issue, violence from thugs that illicit
the responses from law enforcement, the complete denial that these thugs are in
fact violent and that they perpetuate a culture of violence which leads to a
heightened police response

all I hear from liberals is that these violent thugs are pillars of the
community even though they're raping children, murdering innocent people
and being a menace to society... why dont you want to address this issue?


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426788 - 07/09/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Cops should be protecting and serving the public, but instead they are just defending themselves with a lethal weapon.

Lethal force is used WAY to often for cops, its like the court system no longer matters. Wild west shit, sherrifs killing anyone grabbing for a gun.

In a warzone, it makes sense but not in the streets of U.S.


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    #23426795 - 07/09/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You have the right to bear arms to overthrow the government if it goes rogue.

Thats exactly whats happening.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23426801 - 07/09/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Cops should be protecting and serving the public, but instead they are just defending themselves with a lethal weapon.





so the police arent allowed to protect themselves against armed assailants?

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Lethal force is used WAY to often for cops, its like the court system no longer matters. Wild west shit, sherrifs killing anyone grabbing for a gun.





did you know that in most states that any armed citizen can shoot someone that
they feel is a legitimate threat to their person? they dont even have to feel
their life is in danger, that's right, even if you have no weapon in your hand
and you decide to threaten someone and take steps that make the threat appear
credible, the average citizen has the right to use deadly force against you

that is the average citizen

cops have the same rights as you and I


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23426810 - 07/09/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
Cops should be protecting and serving the public, but instead they are just defending themselves with a lethal weapon.

Lethal force is used WAY to often for cops, its like the court system no longer matters. Wild west shit, sherrifs killing anyone grabbing for a gun.

In a warzone, it makes sense but not in the streets of U.S.




"cops should be protecting and serving the public"

No, cops respond to criminal activity, that means arresting people committing crimes. If you want to say that protects and serves the public, that's fine, but they're not paid to serve you.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23426812 - 07/09/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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was he a freedom fighter or simply a racist black man that wanted to shoot white cops


seems he was a racist and this wasnt revolution, it was revenge
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html?_r=0


can you show us the picture where alton sterlings was on his belly with the cops
keeping him completely restrained before they shot him? I guess you enjoy being
wrong every... single... time.


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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23426816 - 07/09/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Seems fairly hypocritical for you to be against the execution of 2nd amendment rights, considering how often you cry about them when it comes to talk about restricting access to yer shiny toys.


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