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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23423455 - 07/08/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Grow up koods.
Good one, sport
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
#23423483 - 07/08/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: You are admitting that cops profile and target black men in this country. Just making that clear.
Why don't you start by condemning the extrajudicial murder of citizen at the hands of police that happens every day. Why don't you condemn the brutality of citizens that costs taxpayers billions of dollars a year in settlements. All I hear you do is justify "he was a thug, he was asking for it, he shouldnt have moved his arm, yadda yadda."
You people are always demanding that Muslims denounce killings done in their name, yet we never hear cops stand and denounce the brutality committed in the name of their uniform.
Police use profiling because they are humans, that's never going away. They profile based on age, sex, social economic status, geographic location, ethnicity, race, ect. It's called statistical commonsense.
Using that statistical commonsense is NOT targeting, no matter how much "sensitively" training cops get in the classroom, it's never going to change their commonsense.
If we want to address police brutality and abuse of power, we need to make it non-racial in nature, it can't be a black vs police engagement, it won't change anything.
Again, I believe there's over policing taking place in this country, the way you change that is in the political world, not with racial rhetoric in the streets.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: ellomello]
#23423496 - 07/08/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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ellomello said: Well i don't like violence at all, but this is a war is it not? SUCH an atrocity... How many innocent lives are taken away, devesroyed, every few second by the police? How many people are given a sentence worse than death for something like possesion ?? We have no idea really because that doesn't get reported. Arrest the police!
EXACTLY!
Police kill the innocent and get zero punishment. Zero prison time. That shit stops now.
Im shopping for an Ar-15 right now but they are a $1000! fuck
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods]
#23423500 - 07/08/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its very immature to sit there and think innocent PEOPLE deserved to be shot dead in cold blooded murder.
This country is not just filled with innocent people in case everyone forgets there are people who shoot cops just because they got pulled over and people who want to hurt innocent people that ARENT cops.
Incidents with cops will happen as long as humans will be imperfect.
Even with the best reform accidents and innocent people killed by cops will still happen the race of the cops dont even matter
Do we forget that there are real cases were cops do have to be quick on the trigger?
I think there needs to be reform on the system but we still need cops...
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Plain]
#23423515 - 07/08/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If we arrest the police for killing people where exactly does the line get drawn?
What if cops were afraid to kill anybody period on grounds that they can be charged?
I understand why we dont always charge cops for things they do on duty it would mess with the system worse.
Cops do face charges when the evidence is there. Cops get introuble for rape sometimes and they do get charged for muder
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Culpeper-Police-Officer-Charged-in-February-Fatal-Shooting-155502385.html
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23423547 - 07/08/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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a friend of mine shared a really good article about this issue today. i figured i would share it as well as my comments.
the author makes compelling points. but he seems to assume that cops breaking the rules (as well as groupies who believe they never break the rules) is THE problem. in my view, while i think he is dead on in his criticism, these are just aspects of a larger problem. cops also brutalize the public in doing their jobs perfectly. they routinely kidnap, assault and extort on behalf of a rotten, over-criminalized legal system.
while law enforcement is not directly responsible for policies, they are crucial in how those policies are enforced. if we want better policing and better relationships with our valuable public servants, we need to seriously consider the criminal policies that determine the frequency of how often interactions take place.
moreover, we need to consider other policies that create dangerous conditions for both the public and law enforcement. economic inequality is another major factor in why our society is far less safe than it ought to be. so is a lack of economic opportunities. those are both resultant from policies that have shifted avenues for success away from middle and working class families.
it's a big mess. but we have the power to clean it up if we gain some existential clarity with respect to what's actually happening.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: millzy]
#23423584 - 07/08/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: koods] 4
#23423588 - 07/08/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Grow up koods.
Good one, sport
It's good advice.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Plain]
#23423603 - 07/08/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plain said: http://downtrend.com/71superb/black-cop-shoots-and-kills-6-year-old-white-boy-with-autism
Black cops shoot at unarmed white man, kill his autsitic 6 year old son.
http://downtrend.com/71superb/black-baltimore-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-man-for-no-particular-reason
And again
Yeah cops are out of control. That's why people protest across the nation almost monthly whenever these shootings happen.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Supachopped719]
#23423615 - 07/08/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Supachopped719]
#23423620 - 07/08/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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the fact that police brutality happens to white people doesn't really change the fact that it disproportionately happens to black people. many associate the black community with the issue, but it's an issue that affects everyone (including blacks, who rightfully identify it as a black issue even though it's not just a black issue).
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Supachopped719]
#23423631 - 07/08/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plain said: http://downtrend.com/71superb/black-cop-shoots-and-kills-6-year-old-white-boy-with-autism
Black cops shoot at unarmed white man, kill his autsitic 6 year old son.
http://downtrend.com/71superb/black-baltimore-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-man-for-no-particular-reason
And again
Yeah cops are out of control. That's why people protest across the nation almost monthly whenever these shootings happen.
Yeah and they do get charged when the evidence is there but usually when these things happen its wanna be gangsters and thugs who get shot and THEN people talk about it.
Police do get charged
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Culpeper-Police-Officer-Charged-in-February-Fatal-Shooting-155502385.html
You read that post right?
You cant fight fire with fire such an old saying that its obvious nothing will get done because no ones seems to have common sense
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: Plain]
#23423639 - 07/08/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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police are sometimes charged but rarely convicted. take what's happening in baltimore for example: they got their trial, but from my understanding, they are prosecuting the officers for the freddie gray case in a way that would be impossible to convict them, namely by attempting to determine who exactly caused the injuries that led to his death.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: millzy]
#23423663 - 07/08/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said: police are sometimes charged but rarely convicted. take what's happening in baltimore for example: they got their trial, but from my understanding, they are prosecuting the officers for the freddie gray case in a way that would be impossible to convict them, namely by attempting to determine who exactly caused the injuries that led to his death.
Perhaps that's because the prosecutor is inept.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23423683 - 07/08/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#23423709 - 07/08/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said: police are sometimes charged but rarely convicted. take what's happening in baltimore for example: they got their trial, but from my understanding, they are prosecuting the officers for the freddie gray case in a way that would be impossible to convict them, namely by attempting to determine who exactly caused the injuries that led to his death.
Perhaps that's because the prosecutor is inept.
prosecutors are hesitant to convict the very people they cooperate with. it's not ineptitude.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: millzy]
#23423721 - 07/08/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said: prosecutors are hesitant to convict the very people they cooperate with. it's not ineptitude.
The stories I've read about this prosecutor and the level of the charges, speed in placing them and her 'hey, pat me on the back' news conference suggest otherwise.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: millzy]
#23423755 - 07/08/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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millzy said: police are sometimes charged but rarely convicted. take what's happening in baltimore for example: they got their trial, but from my understanding, they are prosecuting the officers for the freddie gray case in a way that would be impossible to convict them, namely by attempting to determine who exactly caused the injuries that led to his death.
Perhaps that's because the prosecutor is inept.
prosecutors are hesitant to convict the very people they cooperate with. it's not ineptitude.
People like yourself speak of this conflict of interest, yet I never hear any alternatives.
Many times the prosecutors brings it to a grand jury, yet that never satisfies people when it doesn't give them the indictment they want in the first place.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: qman]
#23423796 - 07/08/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said: prosecutors are hesitant to convict the very people they cooperate with. it's not ineptitude.
The stories I've read about this prosecutor and the level of the charges, speed in placing them and her 'hey, pat me on the back' news conference suggest otherwise.
yeah, and again, prosecutors are hesitant to convict people who are essentially their coworkers. that explains their expediency much better than incompetence.
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qman said: People like yourself speak of this conflict of interest, yet I never hear any alternatives.
Many times the prosecutors brings it to a grand jury, yet that never satisfies people when it doesn't give them the indictment they want in the first place.
then you're not listening very closely. separate courts that employ special prosecutors who do not have professional relationships with cops seems to be the most viable solution that's being discussed.
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Re: Dallas protest shooting, 2 officers shot [Re: millzy]
#23423822 - 07/08/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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millzy said: prosecutors are hesitant to convict the very people they cooperate with. it's not ineptitude.
The stories I've read about this prosecutor and the level of the charges, speed in placing them and her 'hey, pat me on the back' news conference suggest otherwise.
yeah, and again, prosecutors are hesitant to convict people who are essentially their coworkers. that explains their expediency much better than incompetence.
Except in this case, incompetence is the most likely answer.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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