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Planting trichocereus questions
    #23420780 - 07/07/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Planted a log of bridgesii yesterday. Black gold cactus mix is OK, but looks like it really is better to mix your own. Added sand and mixed it around. Has a decent amount of perlite with organic soil.


How long does it take for roots to form?

How often should i water?

Will sishsoap help get water through the sandy bits if it doesn't want to penetrate properly?

Will post a pic in a bit.



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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23420804 - 07/07/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Don't bury it just lay on top of soil and maybe just a little bit under the soil line. Keep without water until it pups and has grown a little bit. After a month or 2 it should pup and after then you can water without issue.

A light watering will not kill your cactus but if it stays wet for long it will likely rot the bridgesii.

Do not water... if you are unsure if you should water wait another week or two. Watering once a week is ok during the summer IF the soil drys out but usually twice a month and less during colder seasons.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23421821 - 07/07/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah stick 'er halfway covered in the soil and don't water until you can give a tug on the cutting and feel roots holding it down.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: coltonschultz]
    #23422113 - 07/08/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

What Modern said, no water until you are absolutely certain it is well rooted.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23423113 - 07/08/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Don't place your newly planted cutting in direct sunlight either, place it outdoors in an area which gets minimal sunlight throughout the day, leave it there until you see signs of new growth, and then slowly  move to a spot which gets more direct sunlight, this way you won't give your plant sunburn.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Lucis]
    #23423115 - 07/08/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

How long does it take for new growth to start, on average


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23423126 - 07/08/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I usually see pups form within two weeks after cutting, but I have also had plants take 4 weeks to produce pups.  If there's one thing growing cacti has taught me, it's patients.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Lucis]
    #23423143 - 07/08/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

really? I've had this cutting for like a month now... and still no pups. I had it sitting on my table for a couple weeks and planted it a few days ago.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23423151 - 07/08/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe if you remove the extra soil above?


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: gopener]
    #23423159 - 07/08/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Why would that help, if it's not pupped simply by sitting open off of soil and being bare for this long already?


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23423194 - 07/08/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe if you remove the extra soil above?





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Why would that help





The light should encourage it to grow, speaking of light, how much light is your cutting getting, and what type artificial/natural?


When you put cacti up during the cold months, you limit the watering and light so they don't grow under poor conditions and become etiolated, but once you start watering again, place in a well lit area, they come out of dormancy and grow.

So what gopener is saying, is that you should expose more of you cactus to light, this will encourage growth.

Why did you want to go the log route?  I am curious, I tried this years ago, but I found I would get much faster growth when growing them upright, could all be in my head though.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Lucis]
    #23423203 - 07/08/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's all natural light... again, i don't see how that's helping even if it is true. If it has already sat on my table for over a month now, why isn't it pupping? I suppose I will just have to wait a bit longer.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23423247 - 07/08/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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It's all natural light... again, i don't see how that's helping even if it is true.





Don't see how what's helping?

Do you mean exposing more of your cutting to light?  Because plants need light to grow, if it's buried it's thinking WTF, who turned out the lights.

More plant exposed to light, means more photosynthesis, stimulating growth.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Lucis]
    #23423254 - 07/08/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No doubt. again, it's sat on a table openly exposed to natural sunlight through the window for a long while and nothing's happened yet, that's all I was saying.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23423335 - 07/08/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

To answer in the same manner than you,

why cuttings dont grow roots and new growth in general until they placed on a medium?why they need medium to pop up some roots?


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: gopener]
    #23423392 - 07/08/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Because they don't. when I took some cacti out from my PC Pachanoi, they sprouted roots just by sitting for a long time in the same position, without soil. (some of these cuttings even sprouted pups). This is because the plant is actively trying to find nutrition and gravity aligns the growth hormons, leading to root growth at the bottom. I didn't see root growth till the cuttings had used up a lot of their resources in the logs.

To further clarify, this all happened maybe two years ago, so it's been a long time since i've had to root a cutting.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23424427 - 07/08/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No different than growing children, they all start hitting growth spurts at different times, there is no set time for a cactus to root.  Set it, and forget it.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: mandrin13] * 1
    #23425178 - 07/08/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Most of the trich's I have take many month to start puping after being cut or put in the ground.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23537377 - 08/13/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

PUPDATE!!!



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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: 404]
    #23537406 - 08/13/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nicely done! I have a log rooted Peruvianus with two pups. One is 15 inches and the other is 13. They are both going to be cut today and rooted in a few weeks.



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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Lucis]
    #23538001 - 08/13/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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When you put cacti up during the cold months, you limit the watering and light so they don't grow under poor conditions and become etiolated, but once you start watering again, place in a well lit area, they come out of dormancy and grow.





Not sure what you mean by ´put cacti up´.

In habitat, the growth of Mexican desert cacti slows in winter - the temperature drops and winter is the dry season.  However they will be ripening and hardening last summer´s growth, and need to be given as much daylight as possible - photosynthesis will still be continuing. I should mention that etiolation is NEVER encountered with plants that are given sufficient daylight.
My guys go into cold frames in the winter, to achieve these conditions - our winter is the wet season. 


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23538173 - 08/13/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I fully believe in what your saying spanish but I live in zone 9b.. mine never go dormant.. have to adapt them to your climate..


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Barracho]
    #23538265 - 08/13/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I fully believe in what your saying spanish but I live in zone 9b.. mine never go dormant.. have to adapt them to your climate..




Whatever a zone 9b is.

Desert cacti do not naturally go dormant in the winter - growth slows as the temperature drops - and they enter the dry season. 
I do my best to emulate habitat conditions, and I am happy with the results I get. 
I could never adapt desert cacti to my climate - far too wet here in winter - they would have galloping rot - it actually started to happen my first year in Spain when I was slow to shelter them. 
When I grew in Scotland my guys lived in a greenhouse - heated in winter - it is damned cold there, and even wetter in winter.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23538404 - 08/13/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm thinking of building a greenhouse with a wood burning stove in it or something
Keep some plants outside for the winter


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23538618 - 08/13/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not sure what you mean by ´put cacti up´.






I have to move my cacti to an area which is suitable for them during the winter, but am probably just going to move them indoors under some lights this winter.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Barracho]
    #23538769 - 08/13/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

have you considered making it pup on the other end and middle?
would be cool.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23539859 - 08/14/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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When you put cacti up during the cold months, you limit the watering and light so they don't grow under poor conditions and become etiolated, but once you start watering again, place in a well lit area, they come out of dormancy and grow.





Not sure what you mean by ´put cacti up´.

In habitat, the growth of Mexican desert cacti slows in winter - the temperature drops and winter is the dry season.  However they will be ripening and hardening last summer´s growth, and need to be given as much daylight as possible - photosynthesis will still be continuing. I should mention that etiolation is NEVER encountered with plants that are given sufficient daylight.
My guys go into cold frames in the winter, to achieve these conditions - our winter is the wet season. 





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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #23539868 - 08/14/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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trichs are originally from the mountains in south america




So have you researched the climate and soil of their habitat?  And attempted to give them what they grow best in??

I find that sort of growing regime works best for me - give them as close to their habitat conditions as you can - wherever they are from.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23539955 - 08/14/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

9b is a climate zone... I figured someone who has researched their natural habitat would at least understand what climate zones are and what zone they come from.. probably understand how to keep them dry in a cold wet winter...


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23540054 - 08/14/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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trichs are originally from the mountains in south america




So have you researched the climate and soil of their habitat?  And attempted to give them what they grow best in??

I find that sort of growing regime works best for me - give them as close to their habitat conditions as you can - wherever they are from.




I think I'm going to start a new thread about this rather than keep deraling this one
I talked to a dude in Ecuador posts a lot of pictures of t pachanoi in his country
They totally live in the rainforest, maybe I'll steal some of his pics but he says they grow in an extremely loamy sandy soil, and get tons and tons of rain o.O


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Barracho]
    #23540093 - 08/14/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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9b is a climate zone.....




Not here in Spain it isn´t. 
I presume then it is some kind of American thing.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23540119 - 08/14/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.plantmaps.com/interactive-spain-plant-hardiness-zone-map-celsius.php

It is an american concept, however it can be applied to your country as well. it's a 'hardiness zone' but i think it's a concept created by the USDA. Your country has climates ranging from 8a to 12b


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    #23540136 - 08/14/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It is an american concept, however it can be applied to your country as well. it's a 'hardiness zone' but i think it's a concept created by the USDA.




Of course it is - I am winding the guy up is all.


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23540285 - 08/14/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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trichs are originally from the mountains in south america




So have you researched the climate and soil of their habitat?  And attempted to give them what they grow best in??

I find that sort of growing regime works best for me - give them as close to their habitat conditions as you can - wherever they are from.




I'm just here to correct people :smile:


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    #23540396 - 08/14/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm just here to correct people :smile:




Good grief - if I were to attempt to correct the abysmal English of all the people in here I would do nothing else.

But as they say - CORRECT it or you ACCEPT it - and I will never accept the language of Milton and Shakespeare being so poorly abused.


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    #23540402 - 08/14/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Should have :nono:


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23540441 - 08/14/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Grammar nazi. I know what you mean. I dont sit at a desk but on the couch on my phone. My big fat digits always push the wrong buttons. And i get it. You see there? I did not need a period after 'buttons'. And they are is they're. I was very good in school. Had all A's in grammar and language. I believe its the same thing. Now a days technology is ruining it all. I recently read somewhere that when sending a text its impolite to put a period at the end of a sentence. I mean who comes up with this shit? And  americans, and i hardly consider myself one but i guess i am, we are sometimes self entitled little shits. But what can you do. Society is just getting worse and i blame the internet.


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    #23540652 - 08/14/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Grammar NAZI ???    No, a purist -


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Re: Planting trichocereus questions [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23541709 - 08/14/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, I see we are in "Dick mode" again :rolleyes:


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That the Royal WE ???


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