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Tex3000
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1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please
#23420117 - 07/07/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok so I have been toying with the idea of mushroom growing for a few years now. 2 months ago I decided to take the plunge. Disregarding everything I read I decided to start with wbs. I wanted to go bulk and wbs seemed like a good fit because of its price and availability. I also decided to do 6 pint jars of the pftek because everywhere I read said it was pretty fool proof. I think I've made most the newbie mistakes you could make, impatience being the biggest one. I just couldn't stop peeking and the days seemed to go by so so slow. Anyways this is my first medium sized tub. Not sure if it's a correct mono, it's a tub inside a tub with perlite all around. I must and fan as needed, keep the rh between 90-95% and the temp lingers between 72-75 degrees. The substrate was not 100% colonized when I introduced fruiting. I thought I saw cobweb mild because at this point, everything looks like a contaminate. I've got another tub going right behind this that I just introduced to fruiting. I'm posting a few pictures because I'm not really sure what the mushroom is supposed to look like as far as girth and readiness to pick. They are growing super fast but they do still seem small to me. Thanks forum. I'm James btw.

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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23420166 - 07/07/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can't see your whole set up, but hey you got mushrooms so 
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: NDStepp84]
#23420201 - 07/07/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is a better picture hopefully. It's a small sterilite inside a larger sterilite. My holes are a little higher then the inner tub so I know that's probably not ideal.

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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23420284 - 07/07/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just keep reading and your methods/ results will improve with time and experience. Just little things like odd hole configuration and noticed the tape at the bottom, light dosen't cause side pins, old info. The sub shrinking away from the sides and the microclimate in between the sub and the wall does, to prevent side pins use a liner. But not bad for your first grow
When searching for info use the advanced search to limit your results to the past few years, lots of old info out there. Check out the links in the signatures of active members for good up to date info (links and teks in my sig for example) check out current threads to see what others are doing and the advice given to them.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000] 1
#23420288 - 07/07/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hi James, my name is Your fruits look like they ran short of water and fresh air. Fanning is not really the same as FAE and we typically don't bother with fanning monos. You are better off using more sub and just filling the tub rather than having a tray in a mono, I know some people do that with success but they also tend to really have shit dialed in too.
I suggest that for a first try you should be happy. Next time work on producing a bit more spawn and more sub to support the fruits better. Read up on dialing in monos as well.
Good job tho
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23420294 - 07/07/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sup james
Those will get a bit bigger before the views brake so don't worry give it a day they will get larger.
Haha Pasty you crack me up
Edited by impatientguy (07/07/16 01:51 PM)
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: impatientguy]
#23420411 - 07/07/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I understand that it is not a typical design. I wanted to start small with the little tub because I didn't want to waste all the spawn I had worked so hard to colonize lol. Then once I saw growth I had to figure out a way to fruit it. I kind of combined a few TEKS while trying to give a mushroom everything it needed. Just the fact that I got anything in pretty happy with. The tub on the left I think is the more typical mono. It's a difficult hobby especially since I rent and have to do this in the dirtiest of basements. I have about 40 jars going now (10 of which I'm pretty sure have bacteria). I want to be ready just in case I mess up the dunk after 1st flush. I think I ended up using 3 quarts spawn to about 10 sub, which I know is a fairly low ratio. The tub on the left I went up to 6/10. Another rookie mistake (I thought the pint jars were actually quart jars). Pretty sad when I do math for a living lol. I also have a little zombie tub going with 1 cake, just to see how it grows. I'm not in it for the money or even so much for the shrooms (though it is a nice benefit), the science really interests me.
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23420865 - 07/07/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do have 1 question though. I'm obviously getting ready to harvest my 1st flush. What is the best way to go abou this? Do I pick EVERYTHING, including the ones that look like pins? Then I dunk it, drain it and it is ready to fruit again? Do I twist and pull or do I cut them at the bottom? I just don't want to pick everything if some of those pins are actually my 2nd flush mushrooms. Should I case it in dry vermiculite and then heavily mist it? I've read a lot but want to make sure I'm not reading old information. Thank you everyone!
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23421029 - 07/07/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is that big one in the back ready to pick? Still not sure about the right time before the spores drop...

Bumping was not intentional, didn't realize I was doing it. So what do you do, just go to your last post and add onto like I am doing now? Or wait 24 hours until I can reply?
Edited by Tex3000 (07/07/16 06:54 PM)
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23421035 - 07/07/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Use the edit function to avoid getting modded...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14960167
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4. Do not bump your own thread for at least 24 hours. It's not fair to the other posters to have your thread constantly bumped to the top. Violators will have their thread deleted.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23421056 - 07/07/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tex3000 said: Is that big one in the back ready to pick? Still not sure about the right time before the spores drop...

That one is ready, pick them as they mature individually either right before or after the veil tears like that one did. The caps will flatten out a bit before they drop spores, but it won't be long for that one.
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Inocuole]
#23421154 - 07/07/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok I did not realize I was bumping anything. I was actually wondering why people said the word bump in the forums. So I should not "reply to" whoever responded to me for now on? Instead I do what? Go into my last post and hot edit and then just type more stuff? Won't that make conversations all criss crossed? Excuse the questions, I just don't want to violate any rules unintentionally. Thanks for your help.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23421163 - 07/07/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just don't reply a whole pile of times consecutively. It is unfair to other people with threads as yours will keep getting bumped back to the top. If you want to reply to more than one person, use the quote function to reply to more than one person per post.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Inocuole]
#23421167 - 07/07/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote each post, go down and reply to them all in a single post.
Like so
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Tex3000 said: Ok I did not realize I was bumping anything. I was actually wondering why people said the word bump in the forums. So I should not "reply to" whoever responded to me for now on? Instead I do what? Go into my last post and hot edit and then just type more stuff? Won't that make conversations all criss crossed? Excuse the questions, I just don't want to violate any rules unintentionally. Thanks for your help.
Uh huh.
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NDStepp84 said: Can't see your whole set up, but hey you got mushrooms so 
Welcome to the Shroomery.
Yep.
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Inocuole said: Use the edit function to avoid getting modded...
Okay, etc.
Or just edit. The 24 hour rule isn't really upheld but if you do it a few times in like 1-2 hours it could get noticed.
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Inocuole]
#23421178 - 07/07/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Quote each post, go down and reply to them all in a single post.
ok I think I got it.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23421184 - 07/07/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Almost. Your reply goes after the /quote] but that's fine, still readable. I usually hit Quote, scroll down, hit enter/return once or twice, then go back up and hit quote again, rinse and repeat, then I go back down and there will be spaces between all the quotes to easily put responses in.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23421201 - 07/07/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tex3000 said:
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Inocuole said: Quote each post, go down and reply to them all in a single post.
ok I think I got it.
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: weetsie]
#23422985 - 07/08/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How's this one look? Perfect timing for picking?
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23423930 - 07/08/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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.....Go on...?
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Inocuole]
#23424334 - 07/08/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: .....Go on...?
Well I think I'll have about an ounce dry once this first flush is finished, I had 150 grams wet with half harvested so I'm just doing the math. Not bad but not great. I did have a question. Is it a bad idea to pull mycelium from a fully colonized bulk and plop it into a few wbs jars to colonize? I had made a lc and inoculated 20 jars with 1-2cc each. It's been 48 hours and only 3 of the jars have a tiny amount of growth. I thought lc was supposed to be quick. I know there were spores, I watched it all get sucked up lol. I'm afraid of running out of jars to be ready when these tubs are finished. I just buried about 10 quarts of contaminated wbs jars, mixed with horse manure and covered with a little verm. Not expecting much from that but maybe if I water it everyday Mother Nature will reward me.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23424351 - 07/08/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tex3000 said: Is it a bad idea to pull mycelium from a fully colonized bulk and plop it into a few wbs jars to colonize?
Very bad idea, yes.
Making LC with spores is also a very bad idea, because it only takes a single Colony Forming Unit of bacteria for the whole LC to be ruined in a week. LC may sound attractive due to being faster but if you're trying to stretch your spores out and inoculate lots of things you're looking for agar, not LC. LC should really only be inoculated with clean agar if you want any kind of consistent success. LC is also not really faster than agar, if both are done correctly.
->Make Liquid inoculate and have full colonization in a week or so. Spores -> Agar -> -> Use agar to inoculate LC, wait a week for LC -> Now test the LC on agar, wait 2-3 days -> NOW inoculate your grain, wait a week.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Inocuole]
#23424435 - 07/08/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: ->Make Liquid inoculate and have full colonization in a week or so. Spores -> Agar -> -> Use agar to inoculate LC, wait a week for LC -> Now test the LC on agar, wait 2-3 days -> NOW inoculate your grain, wait a week.
Then that is what I shall do. I originally started with a ms and use 9ml to make 9 jars and the last ml to make lc with Karo corn syrup I believe it was. It had good growth but maybe not good enough. Since then I've just been doing g2g and it's been working until I exhausted my supply and was relying on some jars that became contaminated. I'll find a good agar TEK and try and isolate or clone my best fruit. Hopefully that will make things easier and take some of the chance out of it. Just ate 3 mushrooms from my 1st harvest! Very proud moment, not sure how much I'll need so I'm taking it slow lol.
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23425891 - 07/09/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this contamination? Noticed it while harvesting?
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impatientguy
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23425918 - 07/09/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like trich to me
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Tex3000
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: impatientguy]
#23425933 - 07/09/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: Looks like trich to me
You think it's even worth dunking for another flush? That was only my first flush
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23425949 - 07/09/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would probably bury it somewhere where it doesn't get too dry. And water it daily.
No reason to spread those spores. Especially if you plan on using that room or that monotub ever again for growing mushrooms
I bet you'll see some more shrooms that way.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: impatientguy]
#23426018 - 07/09/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: I would probably bury it somewhere where it doesn't get too dry. And water it daily.
No reason to spread those spores. Especially if you plan on using that room or that monotub ever again for growing mushrooms
I bet you'll see some more shrooms that way.
Think I should case it with damp verm or something? Or just straight bury it in the topsoil as one big block? I have horse manure as well. I have another tub coming right behind it, was expecting more then 1 flush though. Guess I can't expect too much doing this hobby in a dirty basement.
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Re: 1st grow, sort of. Now tear it apart please [Re: Tex3000]
#23426128 - 07/09/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you cased it it would help it retain moisture better verm or poo would work well for that.
But just burying it would work too
I'm guessing it was the spawn to begin with and not the basement.
Once you spawn to bulk thousands of enemy spores enter the sub, but it doesn't matter as long as your spawn is totally clean and healthy.
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