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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods]
#23420450 - 07/07/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: That's fine if a guy pulls a gun, but let's be honest, there are a lot of cases where nobody is pulling a gun and they still get shot.
You want to talk about not prejudging, how about we start with the cops not using lethal force until someone is clearly attempting to use lethal force. Lowering your hand, or scratching your nose or running away or being disrespectful is not justification for shooting someone. Cops first priority should be protecting the lives of citizens, not their own. If they can't handle a little risk, they have no business being a cop. If they want to be called heros like they are always bitching about, maybe they should act like heroes instead of pussies.
"nobody is pulling a gun and they still get shot"
That's true because a knife or a violent person can also cause a great deal of physical damage. Many people thought Wilson wasn't justified using his gun despite the fact that he got sucker punched on his eye socket and almost had his gun stolen in the process.
"If they can't handle a little risk, they have no business being a cop"
That's also true, but is being attacked by a 300 lb thug "a little risk"? No, for some cops it's a weekly and monthly occurrence.
I have always said we have over-policing in the US, stop the war of drugs and the unsaid quotas for tickets, and many of these altercations end up going away.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods]
#23420457 - 07/07/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Every case is different and most of these "overreactions" end up being justifiable force.
What is considered justifiable force needs a sharp adjustment. For some reason police forces around the world know how to do things without killing people left and right. It's time we took some lessons from places that know what they are doing.
I agree, I think most people wouldn't have an issue with a new standard of "justifiable force".
I'm not sure taking lessons from other places is going to help the problems inside of the US.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#23420515 - 07/07/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: What is considered justifiable force needs a sharp adjustment. For some reason police forces around the world know how to do things without killing people left and right. It's time we took some lessons from places that know what they are doing.
QFT
Your police force is the only one in the entire western world that are policing an armed society. As long as America continues to demand their 2nd amendment rights, this is the policing you will recieve, this much should be obvious.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: deucedbi9]
#23420546 - 07/07/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Both this one and the La. shooting are horrible. Poorly trained cops in both...rednecks in the La. one. Cops need to have to pass some sort of psychological test that puts them in real time incidents like this. There is no way on earth that any of those cops should have been allowed to carry a gun.
Very sad, especially for the kids who lost their fathers.
One note I will make about the La. shooting is why on earth would that guy want to struggle with those cops? Just do what they say ....yes sir, no sir is what I was taught. Use common sense. This, of course, is no justification for those redneck cops actions...but...shit...don't provoke a rabid dog.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23420566 - 07/07/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is it like between Mexicans and blacks?
Stick to themselves, not too much interaction?
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: LobsterSauce]
#23420601 - 07/07/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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LobsterSauce said: What is it like between Mexicans and blacks?
Stick to themselves, not too much interaction?
From what I've personally seen..a lot of Mexicans and blacks stick together when it comes to prejudice against whitey, but they otherwise don't like each other
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#23420603 - 07/07/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: What is considered justifiable force needs a sharp adjustment. For some reason police forces around the world know how to do things without killing people left and right. It's time we took some lessons from places that know what they are doing.
QFT
Your police force is the only one in the entire western world that are policing an armed society. As long as America continues to demand their 2nd amendment rights, this is the policing you will recieve, this much should be obvious.
We are not the only country in the western world with legalized guns. Quit making shit up
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Eminence]
#23420639 - 07/07/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: What is considered justifiable force needs a sharp adjustment. For some reason police forces around the world know how to do things without killing people left and right. It's time we took some lessons from places that know what they are doing.
QFT
Your police force is the only one in the entire western world that are policing an armed society. As long as America continues to demand their 2nd amendment rights, this is the policing you will recieve, this much should be obvious.
We are not the only country in the western world with legalized guns. Quit making shit up
Oh no. Did the nasty man say something that might be construed as negative about your little preciouses.
You are the only country in the western world where the police force will assume that everyone they have to deal with is armed and a potential danger, hense their brutal policing practices.
Yes, some other western countries allow the ownership of guns, but not the carrying of loaded handguns in the street, totally different. Now go dry your eyes.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23420642 - 07/07/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very sad, especially for the kids who lost their fathers.
One note I will make about the La. shooting is why on earth would that guy want to struggle with those cops? Just do what they say ....yes sir, no sir is what I was taught. Use common sense. This, of course, is no justification for those redneck cops actions...but...shit...don't provoke a rabid dog.
Yes Sir No Sir is a fucking horrible way to exist..the fact that you have been assimilated is quite scary..
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: deucedbi9]
#23420682 - 07/07/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, dry my eyes? You're still wrong actually. Again, quit making shit up, and quit being condescending because you know you're wrong.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Patlal] 3
#23420699 - 07/07/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: If only the guy had a gun to defend himself
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Anahata]
#23420709 - 07/07/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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By saying that you're implying that everyone who's ever been shot by a cop has had a gun on them. And if you meant that cops also shouldn't have guns then of course he also could've ended up as one of the deaths caused by tasers, although less likely. America needs to find a way to cut way down on crime before any gun bans take place, I know if I were a cop I wouldn't want to rely on a baton and a one shot taser to keep me safe. Really all cops should just have body cams.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Eminence]
#23420721 - 07/07/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Lol, dry my eyes? You're still wrong actually. Again, quit making shit up, and quit being condescending because you know you're wrong.
I'll be as condescending as I damn well please.
I'd appreciate it if you could link me to which other western country, other than possibly Canada, that allows open or concealed carry.
I'm off to bed now but will check in tomorrow.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Anahata]
#23420752 - 07/07/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said: If only the guy had a gun to defend himself
I think a gun ban would have prevented this tragedy.
fuck that
Everyone in the world needs to drop acid
We would wake up the next day and world hunger would vanish...
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#23421198 - 07/07/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh no. Did the nasty man say something that might be construed as negative about your little preciouses.
You are the only country in the western world where the police force will assume that everyone they have to deal with is armed and a potential danger, hense their brutal policing practices.
Yes, some other western countries allow the ownership of guns, but not the carrying of loaded handguns in the street, totally different. Now go dry your eyes.
Great, the british have joined the conversation. Their so not pretentious at all.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Thayendanegea] 1
#23421427 - 07/07/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: Both this one and the La. shooting are horrible. Poorly trained cops in both...rednecks in the La. one. Cops need to have to pass some sort of psychological test that puts them in real time incidents like this. There is no way on earth that any of those cops should have been allowed to carry a gun.
Very sad, especially for the kids who lost their fathers.
One note I will make about the La. shooting is why on earth would that guy want to struggle with those cops? Just do what they say ....yes sir, no sir is what I was taught. Use common sense. This, of course, is no justification for those redneck cops actions...but...shit...don't provoke a rabid dog.
Again, we do NOT know the facts of the Louisiana shooting, if you fight with the cops on the street with a gun, you will probably end up dead for good reasons.
You don't know if the cops in that situation did anything wrong, why prejudge this case? Just because someone died doesn't mean it wasn't justifiable.
What happened after Obama prejudged the Martin and Brown cases? He looked like a ignorant racist asshole who doesn't give a shit about the facts of a situation. Did he every apologize for wrongfully prejudging those case? NO.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: qman] 1
#23421448 - 07/07/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Protesters are busting caps in downtown Dallas. I fucking turn on the television and the place I go to everyday for work is on the damn TV screen with SWAT dudes swarming
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Niffla]
#23421500 - 07/07/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Go grab you a tv and some new shoes dude.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Niffla]
#23421501 - 07/07/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good for them,get your riot on texas?cops just overeact all the time,scared bullys for the most part
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods] 2
#23421567 - 07/07/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Cops first priority should be protecting the lives of citizens, not their own. If they can't handle a little risk, they have no business being a cop. If they want to be called heros like they are always bitching about, maybe they should act like heroes instead of pussies.
Is your armchair comfortable enough?
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