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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: qman] 3
#23420279 - 07/07/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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chevy66driver said: Don't try to stop the bleeding or anything, lady.
Really? The cop had her at gun point. You think she would be alive if she tried to give him aide? How about the cop help the guy he ended up murdering. Instead he stands there quivering and making pathetic excuses for being a pussy who can't handle the slightest challenge without shooting someone
Because you know what happened, please enlighten us.
Listen to the damn cop standing there as the guy bleeds out making excuses for what he did. Literally crying. We all know what happened. An ill trained, fearful man child who has no business being in a uniform fucked up and executed a citizen.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods] 2
#23420292 - 07/07/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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chevy66driver said: Don't try to stop the bleeding or anything, lady.
Really? The cop had her at gun point. You think she would be alive if she tried to give him aide? How about the cop help the guy he ended up murdering. Instead he stands there quivering and making pathetic excuses for being a pussy who can't handle the slightest challenge without shooting someone
Because you know what happened, please enlighten us.
Listen to the damn cop standing there as the guy bleeds out making excuses for what he did. Literally crying. We all know what happened. An ill trained, fearful man child who has no business being in a uniform fucked up and executed a citizen.
I'd rather not make a rush to judgment based on prejudice.
If the scenario that you outlined did actually occur, then hopefully justice will be served.
"An ill trained"
How come liberals always think they are qualified to determine whether a LEO has been properly trained or not?
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods]
#23420293 - 07/07/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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and he should be tried as such.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods] 1
#23420300 - 07/07/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Listen to the damn cop standing there as the guy bleeds out making excuses for what he did. Literally crying.
This is salient IMO. You can really hear it in his voice. I work with an ex-cop. Immature as fuck even at my age. The kind of man who should never have been allowed to be a cop. Vindictive, aggressive and dishonest as they come.
Give an immature and unwise man a gun and this shit IS gonna happen.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: qman] 1
#23420309 - 07/07/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Really? The cop had her at gun point. You think she would be alive if she tried to give him aide? How about the cop help the guy he ended up murdering. Instead he stands there quivering and making pathetic excuses for being a pussy who can't handle the slightest challenge without shooting someone
Because you know what happened, please enlighten us.
Listen to the damn cop standing there as the guy bleeds out making excuses for what he did. Literally crying. We all know what happened. An ill trained, fearful man child who has no business being in a uniform fucked up and executed a citizen.
I'd rather not make a rush to judgment based on prejudice.
If the scenario that you outlined did actually occur, then hopefully justice will be served.
"An ill trained"
How come liberals always think they are qualified to determine whether a LEO has been properly trained or not?
It's clear that American cops have poor or negligent training. This is the only country in the modern world where cops routinely kill citizens. It's happens multiple times a day. Our crime rates aren't that different than other western countries, yet our cops kill people at a rate 100 to 500 times more often
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#23420310 - 07/07/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, whether this is actually a case of prejudice or not, the requirements to become a cop are definitely sometimes too minimal it seems.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods] 1
#23420324 - 07/07/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anything short of that guy actually pointing a gun at the officer does not warrant lethal force. It's a fucking traffic stop. Why does he even have is gun out.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Ezuma]
#23420329 - 07/07/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Really? The cop had her at gun point. You think she would be alive if she tried to give him aide? How about the cop help the guy he ended up murdering.
lol at cops helping people, let alone black people

Believe it not, yes, some cops are actually extremely helpful..even towards black people. You just don't hear about it. You sound like an angsty teenager
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Sanguin3]
#23420333 - 07/07/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: Fucking asshole cop knew he messed up. Standing there shaking and crying and yelling excuses at the lady.
Maybe he did actually tell the guy not to reach once he said he was CC and had reason to believe he was going for a gun. Most likely though he just freaked out and shot him after the guy said he was reaching for his wallet. Sad thing is even though nobody wants to keep making this about race if that's a white man in the driver seat nothing would've happened.
I know we don't know the whole story but these cases are all pretty similar and almost always seem to be an overreaction by the officer because he saw a "gangster" and "feared for his life".
The cops are out of control and they will shoot anyone who flinches wrong, white or black. But let's be honest, if this guy was white the entire gun rights community would be losing their shjt right now about a second amendment patriot being executed simply for exercising his rights.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods] 1
#23420337 - 07/07/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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these threads are fucking stupid. some people just like to argue I guess... shit shouldn't even be on here.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Sanguin3] 1
#23420341 - 07/07/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: Fucking asshole cop knew he messed up. Standing there shaking and crying and yelling excuses at the lady.
Maybe he did actually tell the guy not to reach once he said he was CC and had reason to believe he was going for a gun. Most likely though he just freaked out and shot him after the guy said he was reaching for his wallet. Sad thing is even though nobody wants to keep making this about race if that's a white man in the driver seat nothing would've happened.
I know we don't know the whole story but these cases are all pretty similar and almost always seem to be an overreaction by the officer because he saw a "gangster" and "feared for his life".
Every case is different and most of these "overreactions" end up being justifiable force.
They said Darren Wilson overreacted before we knew the facts of the case, so nothing is similar in these situations.
With all of that being said, this case does appear to be a overreaction, let's get the facts before rushing to judgment.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Eminence] 2
#23420345 - 07/07/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Really? The cop had her at gun point. You think she would be alive if she tried to give him aide? How about the cop help the guy he ended up murdering.
lol at cops helping people, let alone black people

Believe it not, yes, some cops are actually extremely helpful..even towards black people. You just don't hear about it. You sound like an angsty teenager
There are good cops but they are part of a corrupt system run by the fraternal order of police. Police organizations really do not operate that differently than criminal street gangs, using intimidation and violence when necessary.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods] 3
#23420365 - 07/07/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've come to notice four very distinct topics that seem to get the USA members fully wound up here:
1. Guns/gun control 2. Abortion 3. LBGT stuff 4. Politics
So, to all you noobs out there, start and participate if you want to make yourself known.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23420385 - 07/07/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: I've come to notice four very distinct topics that seem to get the USA members fully wound up here:
1. Guns/gun control 2. Abortion 3. LBGT stuff 4. Politics
So, to all you noobs out there, start and participate if you want to make yourself known.
What about #5. I got high off L3-BnoI-43?
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods]
#23420410 - 07/07/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Really? The cop had her at gun point. You think she would be alive if she tried to give him aide? How about the cop help the guy he ended up murdering. Instead he stands there quivering and making pathetic excuses for being a pussy who can't handle the slightest challenge without shooting someone
Because you know what happened, please enlighten us.
Listen to the damn cop standing there as the guy bleeds out making excuses for what he did. Literally crying. We all know what happened. An ill trained, fearful man child who has no business being in a uniform fucked up and executed a citizen.
I'd rather not make a rush to judgment based on prejudice.
If the scenario that you outlined did actually occur, then hopefully justice will be served.
"An ill trained"
How come liberals always think they are qualified to determine whether a LEO has been properly trained or not?
It's clear that American cops have poor or negligent training. This is the only country in the modern world where cops routinely kill citizens. It's happens multiple times a day. Our crime rates aren't that different than other western countries, yet our cops kill people at a rate 100 to 500 times more often
That doesn't mean they're not properly trained, when a citizen pulls a gun on a cop or starts firing bullets at them, that will usually result in the citizen getting killed, that's called a justifiable killing.
Many US citizens legally and illegally have guns, that fact changes the policing tactics because of that reality, ignoring that obvious fact makes you argument disingenuous.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods]
#23420423 - 07/07/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are good cops but they are part of a corrupt system run by the fraternal order of police. Police organizations really do not operate that differently than criminal street gangs, using intimidation and violence when necessary.
True, but if it's necessary then it's necessary. The problem is using violence when it ISN'T necessary. Every cop I've encountered has actually been pretty pleasant to deal with, and I've had a couple black people with me during one of these incidents too and they were treated no different, I know this is anecdotal but still. But I live in a smaller town, cops are usually a lot easier to deal with if they're not dealing with a lot of people themselves.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: qman]
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That's fine if a guy pulls a gun, but let's be honest, there are a lot of cases where nobody is pulling a gun and they still get shot.
You want to talk about not prejudging, how about we start with the cops not using lethal force until someone is clearly attempting to use lethal force. Lowering your hand, or scratching your nose or running away or being disrespectful is not justification for shooting someone. Cops first priority should be protecting the lives of citizens, not their own. If they can't handle a little risk, they have no business being a cop. If they want to be called heros like they are always bitching about, maybe they should act like heroes instead of pussies.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods]
#23420441 - 07/07/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Every case is different and most of these "overreactions" end up being justifiable force.
What is considered justifiable force needs a sharp adjustment. For some reason police forces around the world know how to do things without killing people left and right. It's time we took some lessons from places that know what they are doing.
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Re: Another cop shoots black guy in America. [Re: koods]
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koods said: What is considered justifiable force needs a sharp adjustment. For some reason police forces around the world know how to do things without killing people left and right. It's time we took some lessons from places that know what they are doing.
QFT
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