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The social Dilemma of self driving cars
    #23420103 - 07/07/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

With the increasing adoption of self driving cars we will eventually place them in situations where they have to make the harsh decision of who lives and who dies. When a self driving car is confronted with a no win scenario does the car protect its passengers at all costs with no regards for the lives of others or should it automatically default to the lowest number of possible causalities?  If its in a situation where a mom and two kids are crossing the road on a red light does it kill all three or does it swerve into the adjacent lane and kill an elderly woman, a doctor, and a homeless person who have the right of way?




As we see ever increasing numbers of these vehicles on the road eventually we will find ourselves facing ever increasing numbers of these situations. When its time to make these types of calls do you think they should operate on cold calculating efficiency or should other factors come into play, such as the increased need for protection of the driver, or the young? As studies have shown already when it comes to dictating what happens with other peoples lives people are easily persuaded into picking the default choice that saves the most lives. That is if a self driving car is faced with the dilemma of its drivers suicide or taking out 10 pedestrians, they will naturally pick the life of the pedestrians over that of the driver, but faced with the situation of purchasing an AI driven car they place emphasis on driving a model that protects them above all others. As we near closer and closer to this technology permeating our lives eventually we will find ourselves being presented with situations where the casualties and survivors where dictated by harsh unemotional percentages in computer’s brain. How do you feel we should orient ourselves in this strange new reality?
Faced with the decision between protecting the life of the driver or that of 10 pedestrians should the vehicle
You may choose only one
Placed in a situation where 3 Jaywalkers or 3 people walking on the light have to die the vehicle should
You may choose only one
Should the computer automatically default to the lowest number of casualties?
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Should there be emphasis placed on the protection of the driver above all others?
You may choose only one
Should this programming be uniformly mandated?
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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23420111 - 07/07/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It would be really cool if it worked without a problem, you could get as fucked up as you want and still drive home no problem. It'd be great


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23420118 - 07/07/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

well, with the first death of the self driving cars that happened recently.. there will an 'x' variable in the situation until they make it illegal for a person to drive a vehicle.


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: rackem]
    #23420122 - 07/07/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

If I'm nor mistaken the driver has control of the wheel and brakes


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23420137 - 07/07/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Eventually theres gonna be vehicles where there is no driver, such as buses and semis. Thats what this relates too. Good point though.


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23420138 - 07/07/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

yeah of course, you can still over ride it. but if you are drunk or impared or banging or gf or playing hangman which inevitably will happen.. bad things are going to happen.

on the subject of this, what will end up happening after a few deaths and a few unavoiable accidents the auto industry will come up with something like the tcas system in aeronautics until then bad shit will happen. 

or people will freak out that the vehicle is going one way, correct it and make a stupid decision ending in death.


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    #23420380 - 07/07/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: BlackWidow]
    #23420384 - 07/07/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

from the tesla site

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We learned yesterday evening that NHTSA is opening a preliminary evaluation into the performance of Autopilot during a recent fatal crash that occurred in a Model S. This is the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated.




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    #23420403 - 07/07/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Sanguin3] * 1
    #23420549 - 07/07/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Protect the driver, Fuck everyone else.


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Patlal]
    #23420633 - 07/07/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Protect the driver, Fuck everyone else.




More or less, this is the default for current, human drivers.

It's a dilemma either way, why does it matter if a human or a machine makes the choice? Frankly, given the calculating nature of a machine, it should make a better choice than a human.


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: badchad] * 1
    #23420663 - 07/07/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Could you imagine if you just got in your car and told it to take you to like your favorite spot by the lake or something, but you end up falling asleep because it was a hard day at work..

next thing you know you are waking up not even at the lake but hundreds of miles across country in the middle of the desert surrounded by more self driving cars, and they are all just honking their horns, doing donuts, and flashing their lights at you..


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: badchad]
    #23420665 - 07/07/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think the default should be a minimization of casualties, that is if its faced with a choice between getting into a head on with a bus or veering off a cliff, the car should veer off the cliff rather then ensuring the death of both parties. Cold, efficient, sapient.


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23421754 - 07/07/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: rackem]
    #23421867 - 07/07/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

rackem said:
well, with the first death of the self driving cars that happened recently.. there will an 'x' variable in the situation until they make it illegal for a person to drive a vehicle.




The first death in tens of millions of miles.
Plus it was due to a freak accident and will just continue to improve from that.
Personally I'd trust the self driving cars of today more than half the retards out there on the roads.
I still want to drive though, fuck my car driving itself. But I'm a good driver.

People don't really realize that commercial planes pretty much fly themselves these days.. and waaaaaaaaaaay more people die in car accidents.


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Shroomism]
    #23421892 - 07/07/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Quote:

rackem said:
well, with the first death of the self driving cars that happened recently.. there will an 'x' variable in the situation until they make it illegal for a person to drive a vehicle.




The first death in tens of millions of miles.
Plus it was due to a freak accident and will just continue to improve from that.
Personally I'd trust the self driving cars of today more than half the retards out there on the roads.
I still want to drive though, fuck my car driving itself. But I'm a good driver.

People don't really realize that commercial planes pretty much fly themselves these days.. and waaaaaaaaaaay more people die in car accidents.




When possible, I would support cars being self-driven to equalize things across the board.
Most people think they're good drivers, I've seen "good drivers" reaching behind the seat to grab things while driving through busy parking lots above the speed limit.

Not commenting on your driving abilities


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Re: The social Dilemma of self driving cars [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23421949 - 07/07/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think if someone purchases an autopilot car, that they also purchase the security of the car prioritizing its occupants above all else.  Who would buy a car that could, as a result of its programming, at any time deprioritize the safety of its own passengers for any reason?  I certainly wouldn't.

I have to wonder about the possibilities that autopilot cars become hacked and weaponized.


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