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    #23419835 - 07/07/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Thread moved to here.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23420278 - 07/07/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

just to clarify when refer to dry pellets - is this specifically paper pellets?


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23420332 - 07/07/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: invitro]
    #23420449 - 07/07/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Tested: paper pellets, wood pellets, cardboard and paper.
Untested: straw pellets, straw, grass seed, coir.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23429436 - 07/10/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Dose updated following a recent test.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23429503 - 07/10/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I'm interested in seeing some tests with the coir! I have coir too, maybe we can organize something, wish I had some golden oyster though!


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23429556 - 07/10/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

I can try a coir test if you like in a few weeks. Could even do some mixed paper tests.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23444457 - 07/15/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Please feel free to review this tek and also what you find on other substrates.
Thanks again to everyone who helped build this tek, so much info.

>> This is a community tek, not owned by me <<

Please don't credit me singularly.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23444657 - 07/15/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Im not getting your ratios for water content. By the looks of it every recipie is 50% water content.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23444728 - 07/15/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Thats a simple guide for substrate water content. Not part of the recipe as such.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23445388 - 07/15/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

How do you cook this recipe

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: tump]
    #23445857 - 07/16/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Pasteurization is optional, use boiling hot water or a microwave.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23445911 - 07/16/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I've reformatted and updated the original post for better reading.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23446516 - 07/16/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Substrate water guide:

x 1 Substrate : 1 Part(s) : 50% Water
x 2 Substrate : 2 Part(s) : 66% Water
x 3 Substrate : 3 Part(s) : 75% Water
x 4 Substrate : 4 Part(s) : 80% Water

Yea all of these are effectively 1:1 or 50% water. When you change both numbers together you are not changing the ratio.  Genrally speaking 50% water is all you need.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23446548 - 07/16/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm I think maybe your reading it, not how I intended.

100g + "x" where "x" is:

x 1 Substrate : 1 Part(s) : 50% Water
x 2 Substrate : 2 Part(s) : 66% Water
x 3 Substrate : 3 Part(s) : 75% Water
x 4 Substrate : 4 Part(s) : 80% Water

Lets say: x 2 substrate, I have 100g so x 2 is 200g, 300g total. 2/3 parts water, 66% water content.
Lets say: x 3 substrate, I have 100g so x 3 is 300g, 400g total. 3/4 parts water, 75% water content.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23458839 - 07/20/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

If you are heat pasteurizing you can substitute (reduce) some water for liquid life (milk).
Use boiling water, measure, add the milk, mix. Leave to cool for 1-2 hours.

When ready add the SPF and YN, mix, and add to the pellets.
Mix well, microwave with lid on, one corner loose.

Cook for 2:40, leave for 2 hours to cool.
Re-measure, use clean water.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23458891 - 07/20/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Remember be safe when using heat, don't burn your self or breathe in fumes.
Make sure everything is cool and handle safe, touch safe.

Thankyou.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23460227 - 07/20/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

What if i bluid a drum pasteurization so u can get water heated to 180 degrees. Couldn't i use your recipe and put the sub in a clean metal trash can and drip it in the drum like a double boiler. Or so you have to use a microwaves

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: tump]
    #23461575 - 07/21/16 03:47 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Cook how you like, using any method you choose.
I'm using a microwave on small sizes.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23490133 - 07/29/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Are "yeast nutrients" easy to find and where is the cheapest, quality source?

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: thegoodwolf]
    #23491417 - 07/30/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

thegoodwolf said:
Are "yeast nutrients" easy to find and where is the cheapest, quality source?




Thats a good question, I get mine from a local general store, check shops that sell brewing kits.
I'm sure you can also order it online from sources such as google shopping or ebay.

It's about £1 GBP, $1.32 USD, for 50g. You need 250g per 1kg of SPF.

I've listed the nutrients, so you can check the label.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23492181 - 07/30/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

sweet, super cheaps then, I live in the middle of no where so I always ask/thoroughly look for online (lol) just in case I'm missing it when I check my few limited stores here haha
Also will I lose a significant amount of nutrients if I PC bags of this recipe?

Much love, thanks for the guidance thus far!

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: thegoodwolf]
    #23492209 - 07/30/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Yes its very cheap, 1kg of SPF and 250g of YN costs me £8 GBP, $10.58 USD.
It makes 400 runs of 100g (dry), 40kg in total, 0.02p per run.

Cook however you like, or not at all.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23498193 - 08/01/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Updated the Tek follwing recent information, heat pasteurization is now suggested.

Please refer to the orginal post for further information.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23508834 - 08/04/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

thought it seemed insane sounding to not at least pasteurize lol, only 40-60 minutes? I'd be careful with temps and make it longer to be thorough about heating the substrate throughout it's entirety

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: thegoodwolf]
    #23510082 - 08/04/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Paper pellets should already be clean of mold, SPF and YN need no treatment.
It's the pet pellets that need to be cleaned, or made clean.

Without the pet pellets, little treatment is needed.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23519247 - 08/07/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I've added a basic cooking guide for this tek, adapt as necessary.
I also added the use of Iodine for some species, strains.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23522515 - 08/08/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

which plant food were you using? Was looking through their liquid plant foods today and they differ some.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23524021 - 08/09/16 05:22 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Miracle-Gro® SPF

   


Miracle-Gro® LPF

   


Yeast Nutrients

   


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23524455 - 08/09/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

thanks again.

Thought you meant nutritional yeast like what you see at grocery store. Probably pretty much the same thing though

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23525551 - 08/09/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Your water ratios really are worded in the most confusing way possible.

What I think you're trying to say is:

sub g : water g = sub% : water% (by weight)
1:1 = 50%:50%
1:2 = 33%:66%
1:3 = 25%:75%
1:4 = 20%:80%


Regardless, these experimental runs you've been doing are great.  I'll be using this as a guide in a couple weeks when my agar matures.  I'll let you know how it pans out under my own conditions.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: jasen]
    #23527148 - 08/10/16 04:31 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Thats correct jasen, sorry yes I must be confusing some people. My water table looks like this:


Code:
  Times  |  Parts  |  Percent

1 | 1 | 50
2 | 2 | 66



So if I said add 50% water, you would know thats x1 substrate, or 1 part.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23581027 - 08/26/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

WL Tek being used as a cake, it can also be used as spawn.

   

This is a test probiotic sample, fully clean.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23614219 - 09/05/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I've read this thread about a dozen times and am still confused.

Let me try to recap in a way that is clear and concise.

Quote:

WL Tek (does this stand for Wood Lovers Tek? ... if not wtf does this stand for?)

For every 100g of wood pellet products use the following ...
  • 2.5ml Miracle-Gro® soluble plant food or liquid plant fertilizer

    (Are you sure you're using the same volume for soluble vs. liquid fertilizer?  Since soluble is solid and liquid is not ... this seems odd to me)

  • 100g paper pellets, wood pellets (do you mean sawdust pellets or something else?), cardboard or paper (is this raw, shredded cardboard/paper or some other product?)
  • 0.6ml seaweed fertilizer
  • 0.6ml wilko yeast nutrients
  • 100 - 400g boiling water depending on desired moisture content
  • 4g pet food (optional)

Dissolve pet food into some of the boiling water.  Cover and let cool for 60 minutes.  Microwave on high for 88 seconds.

Combine remaining boiling water, fertilizer, yeast nutrients, and pet food slurry (if used) and stir to combine.

Add this mixture to the wood pellets and mix thoroughly with a fork or vegetable masher.

Cover with lid cracked open and microwave on high for 88 seconds.

Cover tightly and let cool for 2 hours.





Is that an accurate description of this method?

Also, I noticed that you mention pasteurization in the follow-up comments but it's not mentioned in the method.  How are you pasteurizing?

Finally, I'd like to make a request to the community ... PLEASE stop using unnecessary acrynyms ... SPF?  LPF?  really?  just use the words ... it's not that hard and makes your writing much easier to understand.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: adadada]
    #23614382 - 09/05/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Pretty much that's it adadada. The liquid version is for bulk where lower nitrate content may be needed.
Without the pet pellets there's no need to pasteurize when using paper pellets.

Wood pellets should become sawdust, paper or card almost the same.



The WL stands for Wood loving.

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Simple edition:

Add the additives to your measured water, add to pellets.
Mix very well, cook however you want.

Nothing complex, very easy.


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    #23614860 - 09/05/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: 0yster]
    #23614867 - 09/05/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Where can I find paper pellets? I would like to do some runs to collaborate with your findings.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23614881 - 09/05/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I got mine from a local pet shop, but I'm sure a general store would supply them.
Look in pet sections of shops, either pellets or a coarse blend.

Make sure its grey, not white, you want the soya ink.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23614952 - 09/05/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

ha, whats with this 0yster guy? backup account?

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23614987 - 09/05/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, I kinda ran out of image space on this account.
Didn't want to ruin any info for readers.

I forgot to change back lol.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23615339 - 09/05/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

ahh, good idea. I hate running out of space when I'm trying to get a bunch of mushroom ID's.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23615463 - 09/05/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Growing Gourmet Mushrooms on Enriched Sawdust

When sawdust is supplemented with a nitrogen-rich additive, the yields of most wood-decomposers are enhanced substantially.
Most brans derived from cereal grains work equally well. Rye, wheat, corn, oat, and soybean brans are commonly used.

Flours lack the outer seed coat and, by weight, have proportionately more nutrition than brans.

-- Paul Stamets

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The additives replace the contamination prone grains, corn etc.
Review the nutrients listed in the first post.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23615483 - 09/05/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

what about adding high nitrate aquarium wastewater?  like 200ppm concentration.  you could evaporate for higher concentrations if necessary


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23615521 - 09/05/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Wouldn't that have a ton of microorganisms in it? Not saying it wont work.
The chemical fertilizers are contamination free and stay clean.

The fertilizers provide a rich array of nutrients.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23615557 - 09/05/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Here is another reason to use chemical fertilizers.
Grains, and bran just became old skool.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23615558 - 09/05/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

if you boil it the microbes will die, no?  i was just wondering because i was thinking of the feasibility of incorporating an aquaponic farm and a mushroom farm.  what about running fish waste solids through a 2 stage digester and adding the resulting effluent to your substrate? the digestion process should kill any pathogens right?


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23615572 - 09/05/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

That's true, they should die when cooked.
Why not try it, side-by-side.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23615580 - 09/05/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

interesting...isn't this just for bulk sub though? I don't see how you're replacing grains, unless you were to inoculate sawdust spawn with agar. (been wondering if there's a reason we go to grains and then sawdust, why not just sawdust.)

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23615625 - 09/05/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Only replacing them in a fruiting substrate. Not yet worked on replacing them totally.
Some species, strains require a varied starter grow to amplify genetics.

That is the next thing to conquer, I have the myco bible.


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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Ferather]
    #23659607 - 09/19/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Darn, bought a bottle of miracle grow with the exact same name except missing the word concentrated. Which is weird because mine is more concentrated nutrient wise. It'll be reasonably close to the same balance if I use half as much though.

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Re: Plant Food and Yeast Nutrients, With dose guide [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23659631 - 09/19/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Go for it, thats why I posted the nutrients and images for labels.
Some people may not be able to get exact like for like.

Some minor experimenting may be needed.


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