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Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles
#23419381 - 07/07/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hello, complete noob here so I apologize if this is the wrong section to post this in.
I recently started my first grow of golden teacher mushrooms and I've run into some interesting issues. It's been about 4 days since beginning fruiting and it seems like the mushrooms are growing downwards or sideways and the caps are bent upwards. I've read that the best time to harvest is just before the veil breaks but i'm confused now as it seems the smaller mushrooms have sort of 'half' broken the veil. Plus there is also this larger mushroom which looks like two mushrooms have sort of fused together.
I've just moved it to a bigger bag so i'm not sure if the issue could have been lack of space? I've been fanning and misting regularly and I place them on a windowsill during the day (but not in direct sunlight) - they seem to be growing quickly, just not in a very conventional way! Any help/ suggestions/ guidance will be hugely appreciated as I'm not sure if something has gone wrong or I've missed something etc...
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: dancingmad]
#23419454 - 07/07/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Look like you just have some mutant genetics going on. There could also be something else in the substrate stressing the culture causing it to mutate, possibly bactieria.
I would suggest building a proper fruiting chamber such as a SGFC as well, fruiting inside a bag isn't ideal and could also be a cause for mutations
As for picking, you can let them grow as long as you like or until they stop growing. The reason just before the viel breaks is suggested is because after that, with most varieties of cubes, spores usually drop.
Spores can make a huge mess and signal to the substrate that the life cycle has ended and it is time to die. They can form a thick mat and suffocate the substrate if enough are dropped. It is best to cut the mushrooms before they drop spores, not only for nice looking fruits, but to continue fruiting from a recently harvested substrate as well. They also create a huge mess in your fruiting chamber/grow area.
Welcome to the forums. Not bad if that is your first grow, nice fruits.
Get into agar and starting your own cultures, building your own fruiting chambers. The mushrooms you grow then have the possibility to look however you want.
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: dancingmad]
#23419461 - 07/07/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would harvest those mushies.
From your description of the shrooms I am guessing this is MS and a grow kit?
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23419515 - 07/07/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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NO not hrvest those babies. Wait till they grow some.
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: TheChief]
#23419979 - 07/07/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply 
The freaky large mushroom has begun to split down the middle, should I remove it? Also If they are mutated would they still be safe to eat? I will definitely look into building a proper chamber next time, the growkit came with the substrate in a plastic tub, for the next flush should I remove the mycelium from the tub for fruiting and just place it in the bag? There seems to be a lot of mushrooms growing downwards between the tub so I wondered if they would grow better that way?
Thanks for your advice and sorry for all the questions haha, the path of mycology is both exciting and confusing!
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: dancingmad]
#23419997 - 07/07/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I I were you I would wait till they started shitting spores. Just post the pics every day so we can enjoy and then wait till they spill spores. Forget picking them as soon as veil breaks that is pretentious fuckboi shit.
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Groo]
#23420000 - 07/07/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Look into PF tek go watch letsgrow muhrooms if you want more next time.
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: dancingmad]
#23420005 - 07/07/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are healthy mutant fruits, they are fine to eat, fresh or dry.
Edited by TheChief (07/07/16 11:55 AM)
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: TheChief]
#23420038 - 07/07/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those shrooms be high on their own supply
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: dancingmad]
#23422370 - 07/08/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So overnight loads have started opening their caps, I can't see any dust on the soil so I don't know if they have dropped spores or not. You guys think I should harvest now? They look yummy!
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: dancingmad]
#23422379 - 07/08/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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You should have harvested before but yes they are good to harvest now
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Groo]
#23422396 - 07/08/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Groo said: I I were you I would wait till they started shitting spores. Just post the pics every day so we can enjoy and then wait till they spill spores. Forget picking them as soon as veil breaks that is pretentious fuckboi shit.
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RogerRabbit said: I've advised for years to pick as or before the veil breaks. Pins are much more potent by weight than large, mature, spore puking mushrooms. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Just to clarify my statement above: When I say pick before or as the veil breaks, that's just a convenient marker. The veil itself has no bearing on anything else. The idea is to pick before the fruit opens fully up and spreads its spores.
You're a pretentious fuckboi
For outside grow, letting spores drop is a good thing as it gives more genetic variation next season. For inside grows, harvest just when the veil is about to tear.
It's NOT set in stone, but it's recommended. Most of this is just splitting hairs but I wouldn't let spores drop on an inside grow IMO
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Edited by Rosen_Rot (07/08/16 05:05 AM)
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23422778 - 07/08/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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He was kinda right though. The one that was curling upwards is just a mutant, you can see the gills are nowhere developed enough to start producing spores, hence why they are still white.
I still do prefer to harvest a few hours after the veil breaks. Spores will not drop heavily during that time, sometimes none at all even. I find that they both look nicer and they grow significantly more in the last few hours before harvesting. Having open caps is a deal breaker for me so I might be biased a bit .
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23422826 - 07/08/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yup it's all preference, really. I like to hate best right as the veil is tearing, unless I am taking prints, then I will let the cap open a bit more before harvesting.
Seriously though, it's preference and nothing more. But, for an inside grow, you don't want spores to expload all over your sub.
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: mupetmower]
#23423070 - 07/08/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They won't drop many spores right after the veil breaks completely. IME, it always takes a few hours more until it starts dropping spores in any noticeable quantity.
But I agree, it's mostly preference. There won't be any crazy difference in the yield, just the size. However, if I see that I won't be able to harvest at just the right time, I would prefer to harvest a little early than a little late. No one likes shit stained shrooms
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23425350 - 07/09/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This isn't about right or wrong and I even mentioned in my post it's not set in stone. But calling people names over a debate such as ''perfect harvest time'' is just bullshit and a flaming troll. My point is I would rather follow advice from someone I know is reputable for good advice than just a chump
I believe I also mentioned that this grow was MS and probably a bought grow kit, which it is. Always nice to see different versions of rosecombs though 
Much like Lemon, open caps is kind of a deal breaker for me. My preference is when the veil is breaking a bit, it's like plucking little tulips
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Rosen_Rot] 1
#23425364 - 07/09/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I try to aim for this. Idgaf about a few spores. Just takes a 2 second towel wipe. They look presentable to me, and I haven't seen any potency differences 
When it's like this.. 

I turned this harvest into this
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Mad Season]
#23425368 - 07/09/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That third picture makes me want to cry man 
I did not understand what you turned it into? Could you elaborate please?
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23425372 - 07/09/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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70% pure iso alcohol extraction. Ground up the black shrooms and did 3 pulls from it. Let it all evaporate and it turned into basically shroom hash. I didn't do any defatting or anything. I don't mind it being all hash-like xD
.5g is about a 3g dose, and that ball on the right is a pre-measured .5g dose
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Mad Season]
#23425404 - 07/09/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting could you pm me a tek? 
I've been wanting to do vials for a while and try mushrooms as drops
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23425432 - 07/09/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I basically gave you the tek xD. I kinda just made it up as I went. It was garbage to me anyways, so I wanted to see if it would work
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Mad Season]
#23425500 - 07/09/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's gnarly.
The first pic is how I like to harvest my shrooms. Nothing nicer than an open cap IMO. Sometimes I still harvest a little early if I won't be able to harvest until it's a little too late but I try to aim for ones like those in the first 2 pics.
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Re: Golden Teacher caps bent upwards, growing at angles [Re: Mad Season]
#23425744 - 07/09/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome stuff bro 
Had a bit of a bad grow recently, wondered what I could have done with them
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